SalesForce Infra or Oracle OCI

Microsoft probchild
May 19, 2018 140 Comments

Oracle offer: ~330k (190k base + 140k RSU/y) IC4
SalesForce : ~300k (210k base + 30k bonus + 60k RSU/y) LMTS
Both offering around 35k signon.

I know more folks at SalesForce, and there's a good chance I can get promoted in a year (given that I know what I have to do and the work seems quantifiable) - but not a guarantee obviously.

I felt the interviews at Oracle were more challenging though - I know the group has been attracting a lot of good folks of late. But from what I hear, bonuses/increments/promotions are VERY rare/difficult there.

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  • Microsoft / EngGs4478
    go to Salesforce. Most people at Oracle are incompetent and their “cloud” is a massive joke.
    May 19, 20185
    • Oracle / Productedxks
      Don’t just give a lame answer. Be more subjective .

      It might be the case a few years back.
      I was hired from a FAANG company and I know the standard has increased over the last two years.
      I personally know of 4 recent $ 10M+ ArR Oracle cloud customers that were prior salesforce customers

      OP’s point of more a challenging interview shows the improvement
      May 19, 2018
    • Microsoft / EngGs4478
      the fact that the standard increased and people are still incompetent makes you wonder how bad it was before.
      May 19, 2018
    • Oracle / Productedxks
      I wouldn’t say it’s bad. Oracle was a late mover into cloud. Hence
      May 19, 2018
    • Salesforce LaAjf
      PM I literally havent even seem them as a competitor in any enterprise deal in the past 5 years. Its usually vs homegrown, status quo or microsoft
      May 23, 2018
    • Oracle / Productedxks
      The above customers that I mentioned were prior Salesforce customers. Don’t want to be too specific in which area.
      Probably you could check for licenses which didn’t get renewed at the end of this year.
      May 23, 2018
  • Twitch 3YmbE8qZ5P
    I would say go with Salesforce.. my opinion might be biased but I don't think Oracle can win cloud war..
    May 19, 20182
    • Salesforce Apeshifter
      hahahahaha no.
      May 19, 2018
    • Microsoft Kerplam
      Oracle doesn’t need to win any cloud war. They can stay at #4-5 and still multiply profits as the rest of the 80% of the enterprise migrates.
      May 29, 2018
  • Oracle / Productedxks
    Depends on what you value more ?
    Learning or promotion/money?

    I believe at this stage Oracle is working hard to bring in the best talent and bring some innovation to the cloud suite of apps. I would say learning wise it will be good to join Oracle. I would give it another 2-3 years to see how the whole transformation effort unfolds at Oracle.
    One can always switch after a few years if there isn’t any pay hike or promotion or the product isn’t doing well
    May 19, 20180
  • Salesforce BigGandalf
    I worked at both Oracle BMC and Salesforce. Given your situation, I'd go with Salesforce without hesitation for the following reasons: better long term comp (give it a year and you'll see), far better culture and wlf, better career path, less risk, far less politics. Only downside is little to no stock refresh, which will be an issue after fourth year, unless Salesforce fixes this problem by then.
    May 27, 20181
    • Salesforce abdv
      ^ that
      May 30, 2018
  • Uber Sfgt4df
    Yoe?
    May 19, 20180
  • New klay
    May 20, 20183
    • Salesforce vPOH41
      I think Salesforce levels are inflated there. I know many people who have left to join other companies and their new titles suggest Salesforce is inflated
      May 20, 2018
    • Salesforce WillCode4$
      +1 imo L62=smts l63=lmts l64=pmts
      May 20, 2018
    • New klay
      Ooh for sure
      May 20, 2018
  • Microsoft
    babababa

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    babababamore
    Oracle is bad.they potray oci as a different company but nothing has changed
    Jun 10, 20183
    • Google / Product
      erinchaple

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      erinchaplemore
      OCI has done for Oracle what Satya has done for Microsoft consumer products
      Jun 10, 2018
    • Microsoft blogGlob
      Looks like OCI is run differently though: at least wrt the stocks/RSUs they offer.. which is quite competitive to FANG..
      Jun 10, 2018
    • Microsoft
      babababa

      Microsoft

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      babababamore
      I feel they are not completely invested in oci.. This is like a pet project of Oracle and not sure when they cut it.
      Jun 10, 2018
  • Salesforce / EngBoredd
    What is your experience OP ?
    May 20, 20182
    • Microsoft probchild
      OP
      14 yrs
      May 20, 2018
    • Oracle / Otherb_e_y
      Are RSUs valued at 50?
      Jun 18, 2018
  • Oracle / EngStqhh19
    Salesforce. Coming here was a mistake.
    May 23, 20181
    • Salesforce LolForce
      You can still come to sfdc. Apply!
      May 23, 2018
  • Salesforce myna
    my pants are finally dry
    Jun 26, 20180
  • Google / EngGanjamylyf
    I would suggest Oracle, better wlb and better pay
    May 19, 20180
  • Microsoft probchild
    OP
    UPDATE: I've declined the SalesForce offer..
    Jun 13, 20187
    • Google / Product
      erinchaple

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      erinchaplemore
      Took Oracle offer?
      Jun 13, 2018
    • Microsoft probchild
      OP
      Yup.. but chances are I might stick around in Microsoft itself - am trying to move to an interesting team here. If that works out, will decline Oracle as well..
      Jun 13, 2018
    • Microsoft Vxz
      This is for seattle ?
      Jun 13, 2018
    • Microsoft probchild
      OP
      Nope.. bay area
      Jun 13, 2018
    • Google / Ops
      Geraldo

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      Geraldomore
      What Microsoft group?
      Jun 14, 2018
    • Microsoft probchild
      OP
      One of the groups within Azure Data
      Jun 14, 2018
    • Google / Ops
      Geraldo

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      Geraldomore
      Tad Brockway is the next VP there
      Jun 15, 2018
  • Microsoft p3p
    Worst company I ever joined. Looked at the big TC and joined now regretting
    Jun 19, 20186
    • Oracle Linked|n
      Whats so bad?
      Jun 19, 2018
    • Microsoft p3p
      Stocks went down 😪
      Jun 19, 2018
    • Microsoft p3p
      And colleagues are meh.. we are trying to emulate Amazon with our own leadership principles
      Jun 19, 2018
    • Oracle Linked|n
      Meh and stock going down = wort company?
      Jun 19, 2018
    • Microsoft p3p
      Lol
      Jun 19, 2018
    • Microsoft p3p
      Yeah
      Jun 19, 2018
  • Salesforce / EngJohn ₩ick
    Salesforce infra just went through a huge reorg. The new goals are lofty, but a lot of its talent is mediocre. On the bright side, its top management is ex-Microsoft. You will feel right at home.
    May 19, 20186
    • Microsoft probchild
      OP
      Wow.. so negative.. do you work for an infra group ?
      May 19, 2018
    • Microsoft probchild
      OP
      I notice a lot of anti-microsoft sentiment from SalesForce folks here.. any specific reason ?
      May 19, 2018
    • Salesforce / MgmtvShl11
      Ex-microsoft culture clashes with Salesforce culture
      May 19, 2018
    • Salesforce WillCode4$
      I think everyone is anti-Microsoft around on blind. It’s the old anti-Christ.
      May 19, 2018
    • Microsoft probchild
      OP
      Hmm.. my experience with MSFT has actually been pretty nice - I learned quite a bit here. Job dissatisfaction is not really my reason for quitting..
      May 19, 2018
    • Salesforce Lysdexic
      Microsoft culture - at least the folks we hired are very ivory tower; mgmt wants to dictate what Engineers deliver; Engineers have to work (or kiss) their way up to get into the planning rooms. The older sfdc culture is more bottoms up; mgmt focuses on communicating overall vision based on customer needs/feedback. Engineers work with product owners in separate management chain to deliver.
      May 20, 2018
  • Google / Product
    alexstamos

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    alexstamosmore
    Got an offer from Jim Alkove at Salesforce. Recommend team?
    May 20, 20182
    • Salesforce / EngVlad Putin
      Offer details or gtfo.
      May 20, 2018
    • Google / Product
      alexstamos

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      alexstamosmore
      Senior Director in security
      May 21, 2018
  • Salesforce vPOH41
    I can't comment on Oracle, but as someone who just crossed 4 years at Salesforce please bear in mind that Salesforce doesn't really do stock refreshers. Most people get nothing, very few get a marginal refresher.
    May 20, 20182
    • Microsoft probchild
      OP
      Which team / group ?
      May 20, 2018
    • Salesforce vPOH41
      I don't want to say because my group is small enough that it would give me away. I will say that I am good friends with some recruiters in Salesforce core that hire across Salesforce, and they have told me that all across Salesforce refreshers are very rare. I've also personally seen many people leave after 4 years because their TC dropped significantly with no refresher
      May 20, 2018
  • Salesforce WillCode4$
    How are the commute compared for toy between the two? I also got comparable offer between oracle and salesforce & chose salesforce. Know many folks in both. What it came down for me is that salesforce has better culture and everyone at oracle seems to want to jump ship after few years. Oracle hires don’t seem great neither IMO based on people I know who have gone there.
    May 19, 20182
    • Microsoft probchild
      OP
      I live in the south bay and the Oracle office is like 15 mins away..

      But SalesForce provides free wifi-shuttle commute - so it's just a time commitment and Thursdays are WFH for the group..

      Was the offer you got for the Oracle OCI group ?
      May 19, 2018
    • Salesforce WillCode4$
      Yes. This is for Seattle office. If I am in San Francisco, It will depend on which teams at oracle/salesforce. Oracle and salesforce both have teams work on dinosaur tech or latest tech.

      Ignore the rants about infra. Infra is a huge org (1000+) it really depends on which team at that point. I am in infra and I found the culture is fine.
      May 19, 2018
  • Oracle kn1ght
    What level at Oracle would you be? Ic4 or ic5?
    May 19, 20182
  • Microsoft picxi
    It's the best company ever. Please join and don't ask for exhorbitant TCs. Think of wanting to make cloud from ground up
    Jun 26, 20181
    • Nvidia ECTT56
      Please get me Azure so we can hug it out.
      May 8
  • Microsoft jabraa
    Listen to others who are telling you not to come here. It's bad. I was promised I will be building cloud bottom up. I am doing manual scripting shit
    Jun 18, 20181
    • Oracle Fagus
      Loooooool
      Jun 18, 2018
  • Microsoft
    stiches

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    stichesmore
    Bad team. Oci sux
    Jun 12, 20181
    • Google / Product
      erinchaple

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      erinchaplemore
      I heard Don Johnson rocks
      Jun 12, 2018
  • Microsoft duckbook
    Oci is the wrapped up version of old Oracle
    May 30, 20181
    • Oracle Linked In
      Bacon wrapped though 🤗
      May 31, 2018
  • Oracle K5df8b
    If Oracle cannot grow the cloud *substantially* , expect the stock to continue to take a hit (see last few quarters)
    May 22, 20181
    • Oracle / EngStqhh19
      See last two YEARS
      May 23, 2018
  • Microsoft Lololo101
    Oracle you don’t have to work the 35 hours per week. It’s basically free money?
    May 21, 20181
    • Oracle / Productedxks
      Not in Oracle cloud. It’s crazy busy with newer customers coming in and at times got to work over weekends to prep your demo eniv for potential customers across the globe
      May 22, 2018
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    • Salesforce YewT83
      Salesforce always gives bonus. They might not in a major downturn but then it would be the least of your concerns.
      May 26, 2018
  • Microsoft Kerplam
    Just got acclimated at Oracle. SO HAPPY I chose this option.
    Jun 18, 20180
  • Microsoft probchild
    OP
    Also given today's Oracle stock dip - seems declining Oracle as well is the right thing to do..
    Jun 14, 20180
  • Microsoft
    💩 duty

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    💩 dutymore
    Can't agree more. If your comp is good stay for sure
    Jun 14, 20180
  • Salesforce Lalallala
    Just join the Ohana lol
    Jun 11, 20180
  • Microsoft bezosf
    I attest to this. It's not worth it
    Jun 5, 20180
  • Microsoft fuckbook
    Oci sux don't do it
    May 30, 20180
  • Oracle sisk
    Go to Salesforce. You won’t regret
    May 25, 20180
  • Microsoft coffeeguy1
    No joining bonus?
    May 21, 20180
  • Salesforce LolForce
    Salesforce stock is growing way more than oracle stock. That’s one thing you should consider too. In 3 years the $60k a year could be worth more than $140k a year. Plus our ESPP is wayyyy better than oracle’s measly 5% thing. The espp alone is worth over $10k per year free money the past couple years.
    May 20, 20180
  • Salesforce abdv
    Been in Salesforce Infra for the last 3 years. I like it there. I get to learn and the WLB is good too.
    May 19, 20180
  • Google / Ops
    Geraldo

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    Geraldomore
    I hear they are now offering way more RSUs since their stock price has gone down.
    Jun 17, 20189
    • Microsoft boobie
      They have to, but the stocks will go down more
      Jun 17, 2018
    • Microsoft coffeeguy1
      Have they made any offers after the stock fell, I thought there was some kind of hiring freeze in effect, if you have heard of any can you please share numbers
      Jun 17, 2018
    • Google / Ops
      Geraldo

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      Geraldomore
      Should I ask for an extra 10% ?
      Jun 17, 2018
    • Microsoft fuckfusion
      I think a 10% might not be enough. How much did you ask?
      Jun 17, 2018
    • Google / Ops
      Geraldo

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      Geraldomore
      15,000 RSUs
      Jun 17, 2018
    • Microsoft fuckfusion
      Is this for ic4?
      Jun 17, 2018
    • Google / Ops
      Geraldo

      GoogleOps

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      Geraldomore
      I am L6 at Google
      Jun 18, 2018
    • Amazon / EngLife will
      What’s the package from oci ? Is it a ict5or6?
      Jun 18, 2018
    • Google / Ops
      Geraldo

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      Geraldomore
      OCI I think
      Jun 18, 2018
  • Microsoft fuckfusion
    Yeah, I thoughti had a good deal and then saw the stocks tanking
    Jun 17, 20184
    • Microsoft coffeeguy1
      Have they made an offer to you recently, if so can you please share details
      Jun 17, 2018
    • Microsoft fuckfusion
      Total TC of 290k for L3. 170k in cash and rest in stocks
      Jun 17, 2018
    • Microsoft fuckfusion
      Do share your numbers
      Jun 17, 2018
    • Microsoft coffeeguy1
      Will do thanks for letting me know
      Jun 18, 2018
  • VMware Guya
    How many RSUs did you get for 4 yrs at Oracle and Salesforce.
    Jun 8, 20184
    • Google / Product
      erinchaple

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      erinchaplemore
      I heard 20,000 for Directors
      Jun 8, 2018
    • VMware Guya
      20K is for Oracle or Salesforce.
      Jun 9, 2018
    • Salesforce Lalallala
      $20k is low. 20k shares is very high
      Jun 9, 2018
    • Google / Product
      erinchaple

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      erinchaplemore
      20K shares is high for Oracle or Salesforce?
      Jun 10, 2018
  • Salesforce myna
    why did you decline Salesforce offer?
    Jun 13, 20183
    • Microsoft probchild
      OP
      To be honest - they were neither giving a decent salary bump, and I felt moving from L65 to LMTS is probably a downgrade...
      Jun 14, 2018
    • Microsoft probchild
      OP
      Add to that, over the last couple of months, MS stocks have risen such that my unvested RSU - which I would have to forfeit if I quit MS - would push my TC above the SalesForce TC offer. Which would mean I am quitting just for a signon bonus - which seems stupid
      Jun 14, 2018
    • Salesforce myna
      makes sense.
      Jun 14, 2018
  • Salesforce zippyq
    Just a note of caution Salesforce infrastructure is full off Microsoft executives who lack technical skills and vision. So if you are after 💰, work life balance (sfdc is fucking great in this department) and you are fine with politics. Join us. Source: I work in Infra.
    May 26, 20182
    • Microsoft Lnunlmn
      I’m L64 at msft, how much would I expect to get in TC?
      May 26, 2018
    • Salesforce / EngVlad Putin
      300k+
      May 26, 2018
  • Google / Ops
    Argv

    GoogleOps

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    Argvmore
    Azure is still losing money. Only Office 365 is profitable
    Jun 22, 20181
    • Microsoft gimmeMore
      Google cloud revenues also include gsuite and gapps..
      Jun 22, 2018
  • Microsoft jack black
    It is crazy. The info that they are hiding the cloud numbers in financial call should tell you something
    Jun 21, 20181
    • Oracle Linked|n
      ...and msft hid azure numbers until it became profitable very recently
      Jun 21, 2018
  • Microsoft laxatives
    This place is the most mismanaged place ever
    Jun 20, 20181
  • Microsoft Kerplam
    Troll
    Jun 19, 20181
    • Microsoft p3p
      What a troll. Give real info
      Jun 19, 2018
  • Microsoft probchild
    OP
    Frankly over the last couple of months, MS stocks have risen such that my unvested RSU - which I would have to forfeit if I quit MS - would push my TC above the SalesForce TC offer. Which would mean I am quitting just for a signon bonus - which seems stupid
    Jun 14, 20181
    • Microsoft Gfddyjjnoi
      How many rsu did they give ? With the stock down today, will they increase the RSU?
      Jun 19, 2018
  • Microsoft egevge
    You fucking dick stop cribbing and make Larry some money
    May 31, 20181
    • Salesforce myna
      My so serious mr egg?
      Jun 8, 2018
  • Oracle St4587qw
    Salesforce is not doing stock refreshes, while in Oracle you can get grants regularly even after first year.
    May 30, 20181
    • Salesforce LolForce
      Meanwhile salesforce stock value quadruples and the espp gets you way more value. Oracle is just flat or falling. And it’s not true that there are no stock refreshes. It’s highly dependent on level and performance. But at the PMTS level there is $80k in refreshes for quite a bit of people.
      May 30, 2018
  • Salesforce ABER04
    Honestly, if you care about WLB and a friendly company that cares a lot about employees I would hands down stick to Salesforce. Culture is amazingly good.

    TBH learning is all about how much initiative you take in your job so you can learn equally in both companies.

    If commute is a big concern so ya make your decision based on what you favor more.

    Salary; and promotion I can tell you for sure. At Salesforce promotions are easy and good bonuses because they wanna retain the talent and they try to compete with big players like Apple etc. Oracle might be trying to do the same but they were not competitive in last few years for sure.

    Your RSU will be way more in Salesforce because it’s a growing company. Oracle if you look at stocks for last year it has not gone anywhere. Look at the stock yourself and decide.

    Hopefully this helps 🙂
    May 20, 20181
    • Salesforce vPOH41
      I have to disagree with you on your point on retaining top talent. Salesforce doesn't really do stock refreshers. I know a lot of people who quit at 4 years (I am about to) because their TC dropped tremendously, and I know recruiters at Salesforce who have commented on the fact that Salesforce doesn't compete on refreshers. So from what I've seen, Salesforce does not really attempt to retain talent.
      May 20, 2018
  • Nvidia ECTT56
    One should ask for 3x more stock @ Salesforce or go Oracle.
    May 80
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    MattMoore

    GoogleOps

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    MattMooremore
    Nobody from Oracle is responding
    Jun 28, 20180

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