Oracle offer: ~330k (190k base + 140k RSU/y) IC4
SalesForce : ~300k (210k base + 30k bonus + 60k RSU/y) LMTS
Both offering around 35k signon.
I know more folks at SalesForce, and there's a good chance I can get promoted in a year (given that I know what I have to do and the work seems quantifiable) - but not a guarantee obviously.
I felt the interviews at Oracle were more challenging though - I know the group has been attracting a lot of good folks of late. But from what I hear, bonuses/increments/promotions are VERY rare/difficult there.
Oracle offer: ~330k (190k base + 140k RSU/y) IC4
- Microsoft / EngGs4478go to Salesforce. Most people at Oracle are incompetent and their “cloud” is a massive joke.
- Don’t just give a lame answer. Be more subjective .
It might be the case a few years back.
I was hired from a FAANG company and I know the standard has increased over the last two years.
I personally know of 4 recent $ 10M+ ArR Oracle cloud customers that were prior salesforce customers
OP’s point of more a challenging interview shows the improvementMay 19, 20184
- Twitch 3YmbE8qZ5PI would say go with Salesforce.. my opinion might be biased but I don't think Oracle can win cloud war..
- Depends on what you value more ?
Learning or promotion/money?
I believe at this stage Oracle is working hard to bring in the best talent and bring some innovation to the cloud suite of apps. I would say learning wise it will be good to join Oracle. I would give it another 2-3 years to see how the whole transformation effort unfolds at Oracle.
One can always switch after a few years if there isn’t any pay hike or promotion or the product isn’t doing well
- Salesforce BigGandalfI worked at both Oracle BMC and Salesforce. Given your situation, I'd go with Salesforce without hesitation for the following reasons: better long term comp (give it a year and you'll see), far better culture and wlf, better career path, less risk, far less politics. Only downside is little to no stock refresh, which will be an issue after fourth year, unless Salesforce fixes this problem by then.
- Oracle is bad.they potray oci as a different company but nothing has changed
- Worst company I ever joined. Looked at the big TC and joined now regretting
- Salesforce / EngJohn ₩ickSalesforce infra just went through a huge reorg. The new goals are lofty, but a lot of its talent is mediocre. On the bright side, its top management is ex-Microsoft. You will feel right at home.
- Salesforce LysdexicMicrosoft culture - at least the folks we hired are very ivory tower; mgmt wants to dictate what Engineers deliver; Engineers have to work (or kiss) their way up to get into the planning rooms. The older sfdc culture is more bottoms up; mgmt focuses on communicating overall vision based on customer needs/feedback. Engineers work with product owners in separate management chain to deliver.
- Got an offer from Jim Alkove at Salesforce. Recommend team?
- I can't comment on Oracle, but as someone who just crossed 4 years at Salesforce please bear in mind that Salesforce doesn't really do stock refreshers. Most people get nothing, very few get a marginal refresher.
- I don't want to say because my group is small enough that it would give me away. I will say that I am good friends with some recruiters in Salesforce core that hire across Salesforce, and they have told me that all across Salesforce refreshers are very rare. I've also personally seen many people leave after 4 years because their TC dropped significantly with no refresher
- How are the commute compared for toy between the two? I also got comparable offer between oracle and salesforce & chose salesforce. Know many folks in both. What it came down for me is that salesforce has better culture and everyone at oracle seems to want to jump ship after few years. Oracle hires don’t seem great neither IMO based on people I know who have gone there.
- Yes. This is for Seattle office. If I am in San Francisco, It will depend on which teams at oracle/salesforce. Oracle and salesforce both have teams work on dinosaur tech or latest tech.
Ignore the rants about infra. Infra is a huge org (1000+) it really depends on which team at that point. I am in infra and I found the culture is fine.
- Microsoft picxiIt's the best company ever. Please join and don't ask for exhorbitant TCs. Think of wanting to make cloud from ground up
- Microsoft jabraaListen to others who are telling you not to come here. It's bad. I was promised I will be building cloud bottom up. I am doing manual scripting shit
- Oracle K5df8bIf Oracle cannot grow the cloud *substantially* , expect the stock to continue to take a hit (see last few quarters)
- Microsoft Lololo101Oracle you don’t have to work the 35 hours per week. It’s basically free money?
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- Salesforce stock is growing way more than oracle stock. That’s one thing you should consider too. In 3 years the $60k a year could be worth more than $140k a year. Plus our ESPP is wayyyy better than oracle’s measly 5% thing. The espp alone is worth over $10k per year free money the past couple years.
- I hear they are now offering way more RSUs since their stock price has gone down.
- Salesforce zippyqJust a note of caution Salesforce infrastructure is full off Microsoft executives who lack technical skills and vision. So if you are after 💰, work life balance (sfdc is fucking great in this department) and you are fine with politics. Join us. Source: I work in Infra.
- It is crazy. The info that they are hiding the cloud numbers in financial call should tell you something
- Frankly over the last couple of months, MS stocks have risen such that my unvested RSU - which I would have to forfeit if I quit MS - would push my TC above the SalesForce TC offer. Which would mean I am quitting just for a signon bonus - which seems stupid
- Oracle St4587qwSalesforce is not doing stock refreshes, while in Oracle you can get grants regularly even after first year.
- Meanwhile salesforce stock value quadruples and the espp gets you way more value. Oracle is just flat or falling. And it’s not true that there are no stock refreshes. It’s highly dependent on level and performance. But at the PMTS level there is $80k in refreshes for quite a bit of people.May 30, 20180
- Salesforce ABER04Honestly, if you care about WLB and a friendly company that cares a lot about employees I would hands down stick to Salesforce. Culture is amazingly good.
TBH learning is all about how much initiative you take in your job so you can learn equally in both companies.
If commute is a big concern so ya make your decision based on what you favor more.
Salary; and promotion I can tell you for sure. At Salesforce promotions are easy and good bonuses because they wanna retain the talent and they try to compete with big players like Apple etc. Oracle might be trying to do the same but they were not competitive in last few years for sure.
Your RSU will be way more in Salesforce because it’s a growing company. Oracle if you look at stocks for last year it has not gone anywhere. Look at the stock yourself and decide.
Hopefully this helps 🙂
- I have to disagree with you on your point on retaining top talent. Salesforce doesn't really do stock refreshers. I know a lot of people who quit at 4 years (I am about to) because their TC dropped tremendously, and I know recruiters at Salesforce who have commented on the fact that Salesforce doesn't compete on refreshers. So from what I've seen, Salesforce does not really attempt to retain talent.