SalesForce Infra or Oracle OCI

Microsoft probchild
May 19, 2018 141 Comments

Oracle offer: ~330k (190k base + 140k RSU/y) IC4
SalesForce : ~300k (210k base + 30k bonus + 60k RSU/y) LMTS
Both offering around 35k signon.

I know more folks at SalesForce, and there's a good chance I can get promoted in a year (given that I know what I have to do and the work seems quantifiable) - but not a guarantee obviously.

I felt the interviews at Oracle were more challenging though - I know the group has been attracting a lot of good folks of late. But from what I hear, bonuses/increments/promotions are VERY rare/difficult there.

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  • Microsoft / Eng Gs4478
    go to Salesforce. Most people at Oracle are incompetent and their “cloud” is a massive joke.
    May 19, 2018 5
    • Oracle / Product edxks
      Don’t just give a lame answer. Be more subjective .

      It might be the case a few years back.
      I was hired from a FAANG company and I know the standard has increased over the last two years.
      I personally know of 4 recent $ 10M+ ArR Oracle cloud customers that were prior salesforce customers

      OP’s point of more a challenging interview shows the improvement
      May 19, 2018
    • Microsoft / Eng Gs4478
      the fact that the standard increased and people are still incompetent makes you wonder how bad it was before.
      May 19, 2018
    • Oracle / Product edxks
      I wouldn’t say it’s bad. Oracle was a late mover into cloud. Hence
      May 19, 2018
    • Salesforce LaAjf
      PM I literally havent even seem them as a competitor in any enterprise deal in the past 5 years. Its usually vs homegrown, status quo or microsoft
      May 23, 2018
    • Oracle / Product edxks
      The above customers that I mentioned were prior Salesforce customers. Don’t want to be too specific in which area.
      Probably you could check for licenses which didn’t get renewed at the end of this year.
      May 23, 2018
  • Twitch 3YmbE8qZ5P
    I would say go with Salesforce.. my opinion might be biased but I don't think Oracle can win cloud war..
    May 19, 2018 2
    • Salesforce Apeshifter
      hahahahaha no.
      May 19, 2018
    • Microsoft Kerplam
      Oracle doesn’t need to win any cloud war. They can stay at #4-5 and still multiply profits as the rest of the 80% of the enterprise migrates.
      May 29, 2018
  • Oracle / Product edxks
    Depends on what you value more ?
    Learning or promotion/money?

    I believe at this stage Oracle is working hard to bring in the best talent and bring some innovation to the cloud suite of apps. I would say learning wise it will be good to join Oracle. I would give it another 2-3 years to see how the whole transformation effort unfolds at Oracle.
    One can always switch after a few years if there isn’t any pay hike or promotion or the product isn’t doing well
    May 19, 2018 0
  • Salesforce BigGandalf
    I worked at both Oracle BMC and Salesforce. Given your situation, I'd go with Salesforce without hesitation for the following reasons: better long term comp (give it a year and you'll see), far better culture and wlf, better career path, less risk, far less politics. Only downside is little to no stock refresh, which will be an issue after fourth year, unless Salesforce fixes this problem by then.
    May 26, 2018 1
    • Salesforce abdv
      ^ that
      May 30, 2018
  • Uber Sfgt4df
    Yoe?
    May 19, 2018 0
  • New klay
    May 20, 2018 3
    • Salesforce vPOH41
      I think Salesforce levels are inflated there. I know many people who have left to join other companies and their new titles suggest Salesforce is inflated
      May 20, 2018
    • Salesforce WillCode4$
      +1 imo L62=smts l63=lmts l64=pmts
      May 20, 2018
    • New klay
      Ooh for sure
      May 20, 2018
  • Microsoft p3p
    Worst company I ever joined. Looked at the big TC and joined now regretting
    Jun 19, 2018 6
    • Microsoft p3p
      Stocks went down 😪
      Jun 19, 2018
    • Microsoft p3p
      And colleagues are meh.. we are trying to emulate Amazon with our own leadership principles
      Jun 19, 2018
    • Oracle Linked|n
      Meh and stock going down = wort company?
      Jun 19, 2018
    • Microsoft p3p
      Lol
      Jun 19, 2018
    • Microsoft p3p
      Yeah
      Jun 19, 2018
  • Microsoft
    babababa

    Microsoft

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    babababamore
    Oracle is bad.they potray oci as a different company but nothing has changed
    Jun 10, 2018 3
    • Google / Product
      erinchaple

      Google Product

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      erinchaplemore
      OCI has done for Oracle what Satya has done for Microsoft consumer products
      Jun 10, 2018
    • Microsoft blogGlob
      Looks like OCI is run differently though: at least wrt the stocks/RSUs they offer.. which is quite competitive to FANG..
      Jun 10, 2018
    • Microsoft
      babababa

      Microsoft

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      babababamore
      I feel they are not completely invested in oci.. This is like a pet project of Oracle and not sure when they cut it.
      Jun 10, 2018
  • Salesforce / Eng Boredd
    What is your experience OP ?
    May 20, 2018 2
    • Microsoft probchild
      OP
      14 yrs
      May 20, 2018
    • Oracle / Other b_e_y
      Are RSUs valued at 50?
      Jun 18, 2018
  • Oracle / Eng Stqhh19
    Salesforce. Coming here was a mistake.
    May 23, 2018 1
    • Salesforce LolForce
      You can still come to sfdc. Apply!
      May 23, 2018
  • Salesforce myna
    my pants are finally dry
    Jun 26, 2018 0
  • Google / Eng Ganjamylyf
    I would suggest Oracle, better wlb and better pay
    May 19, 2018 0
  • Microsoft probchild
    OP
    UPDATE: I've declined the SalesForce offer..
    Jun 13, 2018 7
    • Microsoft Vxz
      This is for seattle ?
      Jun 13, 2018
    • Microsoft probchild
      OP
      Nope.. bay area
      Jun 13, 2018
    • Google / Ops
      Geraldo

      Google Ops

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      Geraldomore
      What Microsoft group?
      Jun 14, 2018
    • Microsoft probchild
      OP
      One of the groups within Azure Data
      Jun 14, 2018
    • Google / Ops
      Geraldo

      Google Ops

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      Geraldomore
      Tad Brockway is the next VP there
      Jun 15, 2018
  • Salesforce / Eng John ₩ick
    Salesforce infra just went through a huge reorg. The new goals are lofty, but a lot of its talent is mediocre. On the bright side, its top management is ex-Microsoft. You will feel right at home.
    May 19, 2018 6
    • Microsoft probchild
      OP
      I notice a lot of anti-microsoft sentiment from SalesForce folks here.. any specific reason ?
      May 19, 2018
    • Salesforce / Mgmt vShl11
      Ex-microsoft culture clashes with Salesforce culture
      May 19, 2018
    • Salesforce WillCode4$
      I think everyone is anti-Microsoft around on blind. It’s the old anti-Christ.
      May 19, 2018
    • Microsoft probchild
      OP
      Hmm.. my experience with MSFT has actually been pretty nice - I learned quite a bit here. Job dissatisfaction is not really my reason for quitting..
      May 19, 2018
    • Salesforce Lysdexic
      Microsoft culture - at least the folks we hired are very ivory tower; mgmt wants to dictate what Engineers deliver; Engineers have to work (or kiss) their way up to get into the planning rooms. The older sfdc culture is more bottoms up; mgmt focuses on communicating overall vision based on customer needs/feedback. Engineers work with product owners in separate management chain to deliver.
      May 20, 2018
  • Google / Product
    alexstamos

    Google Product

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    alexstamosmore
    Got an offer from Jim Alkove at Salesforce. Recommend team?
    May 20, 2018 2
    • Salesforce / Eng Vlad Putin
      Offer details or gtfo.
      May 20, 2018
    • Google / Product
      alexstamos

      Google Product

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      alexstamosmore
      Senior Director in security
      May 21, 2018
  • Salesforce vPOH41
    I can't comment on Oracle, but as someone who just crossed 4 years at Salesforce please bear in mind that Salesforce doesn't really do stock refreshers. Most people get nothing, very few get a marginal refresher.
    May 20, 2018 2
    • Microsoft probchild
      OP
      Which team / group ?
      May 20, 2018
    • Salesforce vPOH41
      I don't want to say because my group is small enough that it would give me away. I will say that I am good friends with some recruiters in Salesforce core that hire across Salesforce, and they have told me that all across Salesforce refreshers are very rare. I've also personally seen many people leave after 4 years because their TC dropped significantly with no refresher
      May 20, 2018
  • Salesforce WillCode4$
    How are the commute compared for toy between the two? I also got comparable offer between oracle and salesforce & chose salesforce. Know many folks in both. What it came down for me is that salesforce has better culture and everyone at oracle seems to want to jump ship after few years. Oracle hires don’t seem great neither IMO based on people I know who have gone there.
    May 19, 2018 2
    • Microsoft probchild
      OP
      I live in the south bay and the Oracle office is like 15 mins away..

      But SalesForce provides free wifi-shuttle commute - so it's just a time commitment and Thursdays are WFH for the group..

      Was the offer you got for the Oracle OCI group ?
      May 19, 2018
    • Salesforce WillCode4$
      Yes. This is for Seattle office. If I am in San Francisco, It will depend on which teams at oracle/salesforce. Oracle and salesforce both have teams work on dinosaur tech or latest tech.

      Ignore the rants about infra. Infra is a huge org (1000+) it really depends on which team at that point. I am in infra and I found the culture is fine.
      May 19, 2018
  • Oracle kn1ght
    What level at Oracle would you be? Ic4 or ic5?
    May 19, 2018 2
  • Microsoft picxi
    It's the best company ever. Please join and don't ask for exhorbitant TCs. Think of wanting to make cloud from ground up
    Jun 26, 2018 1
    • Nvidia ECTT56
      Please get me Azure so we can hug it out.
      May 8
  • Microsoft jabraa
    Listen to others who are telling you not to come here. It's bad. I was promised I will be building cloud bottom up. I am doing manual scripting shit
    Jun 18, 2018 1
    • Oracle Fagus
      Loooooool
      Jun 18, 2018

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