Salesforce bans retailers whom sell certain guns

Accenture shortsell
May 30 41 Comments

I've been a on-again-off-again Salesforce Developer and advocate for 10-years. In my personal and professional life I always try to treat people with dignity and respect and expect my colleagues to do the same.

I do tend to keep my conservative, libertarian opinions to myself, because working in technology and living in San Francisco, I have had colleagues belittle, taunt, and at times act openly hostile toward me for being unapologetically libertarian/classically liberal.

Still, as a gun owner, I can't help but wonder if I am no longer welcome in the Salesforce developer community? I find this ironic for an company/community that prides itself on diversity and inclusion...

To be clear, Salesforce can do what it wants with it's product and money. I'm just curious if I should remove pictures of myself participating in shooting sports from social media for fear I will be dis-invited from speaking events/not extended invitations?

https://www.theverge.com/2019/5/30/18645722/salesforce-ban-retail-customers-selling-semi-automatic-guns-rifles

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TOP 41 Comments
  • Activision Blizzard / Eng bHsd57
    This kind of thing is so asinine. It’s never a good idea to divide your customer base, especially along the lines of some enumerated protected constitutional right that half of the country is extremely passionate about. Refusing services to a whole class of people is just so distasteful and bigoted, regardless the reason.

    I also keep my libertarian opinions to myself, and wish businesses would do the same with theirs.
    May 30 1
    • Twitter Oomnj
      When a company has too much power it can treat its customers like shit unfortunately
      May 30
  • Microsoft Caezure
    Their homeless pledge is doing wonders as well.
    May 30 6
    • Microsoft Caezure
      Sarcasm of the utmost proportions, yes.
      May 30
    • Salesforce hypeforce
      Yes, let's blame it on failure of one guy with heart in right place. What is M$ doing for homeless in Seattle ? Salesforce cannot do much until other companies with significant SF presence like Twitter, Uber, etc pitch in. We also need govt buy in.
      May 31
    • Microsoft Caezure
      I don’t know, other than pledging $500M to combat housing and homelessness. They sure as hell aren’t posting bs on twitter and attempting to portray themselves as social justice warriors.
      May 31
    • Uber lol Blind
      Lol “one guy with heart in the right place”. When you force taxpayers to pay for more homeless services in SF, you know what you get? More homeless. That’s what Marc Benioff wants? More homeless in SF? Twat.

      I’m very familiar with this issue. Pompous self styled tech overlord white savior basket cases like Marc Benioff make me sick.
      May 31
    • Accenture shortsell
      OP
      @lol Blind makes sense I lived in TL by Uber HQ ... Neighborhood was a fucking nightmare. SoMa down by Moscone and SF Tower better but still totally unacceptable levels of homelessness (watched someone pop a squat and take a shit in front of my building at lunch hour on the sidewalk on a Tuesday with hundreds of people walking by) I mean if Dreamforce is biggest conference and others are starting to pull out of SF because of homelessness blight one would figure he can write it off as an investment in keeping DF there... Smh
      May 31
  • Salesforce hrunf
    Internally Salesforce is updating its acceptable terms of use so it can weaponize its values against those it disagrees with, even if that affects loyal and law abiding customers. We’re on track to join Facebook, Twitter, Azure, etc. in the club of companies squashing all we dislike or disagree with. The country’s polarization will get worse, and I’m saddened very much by this.

    Also being classically liberal, I’m torn about what to do given this development. I’d like civil disagreements to stay within the first amendment arena and legal system, but that’s not how things are trending. Even though I’ve worked very hard for many years for Salesforce, I’d like to take my talents and go work for “the other side” but AFAICT I can’t tell that there is another side in the tech oligarchy we have now.
    May 31 2
    • Accenture shortsell
      OP
      Good points. And honestly this kind hegemony of opinion has been highlighted by the closeted conservatives in tech. As long as I can remember. Luckily for us I guess saying "I'm libertarian" tends to disarm people when they heard your conservative. Calling yourself a "Republican" is like a trigger... But "I'm a libertarian" is more like "oh ok, your just one of those crazy people I can ignore you... your values are so out there they'll never affect me"
      May 31
    • Microsoft Caezure
      Mostly because they don’t know the difference, only that it doesn’t sound like the words republican or conservative so they don’t have to push the nuclear rant button.
      May 31
  • Twitter Oomnj
    Marc sucks. He needs to stop selling to any country with a 2A if be really wants to be woke
    May 30 0
  • Tableau krxi15
    Since when is conservatism considered diversity? Salesforce don’t even know your affiliation. Also being opposed to terrorism doesn’t mean you are not inclusive of muslims. Its mutually exclusive things. Democrats owns guns too.
    May 30 0
  • Salesforce saaasy
    meanwhile we keep selling to the US government, one of the most gun happy groups around
    May 31 7
    • Accenture shortsell
      OP
      @hyperforce the "civilians don't need" argument is a total logical fallacy IMOP. I do not care and should not have to care about what you "think" civilians do or don't need. My desire to have a semi-auto rifle capable of shooting 60 rounds a second or more has nothing to do with what you think I need or don't need
      May 31
    • Salesforce hypeforce
      Flash your freedom card to cop next time you get ticket for overspeeding. There are rules.
      May 31
    • Salesforce hypeforce
      For that matter, why are you complaining about salesforce? Why marc or anyone has to care about what you think ?
      May 31
    • Accenture shortsell
      OP
      @hyperforce, I don't and they shouldn't either! My point was: I am concerned about being ostricised from the community because of my beliefs weather or not anyone is aware of them. If I was at work and heard colleagues making racist or homophobic or bigoted comments I would feel ostricised by virtue of believing those comments are ignorant and could make others feel unwelcome. I feel the same way when a company sets a policy that is counter to my belief system
      May 31
    • Salesforce hypeforce
      I agree. Two wrongs don't make a right. I worry about my kids' safety on the name of freedom. I am worried that their freedom to live without fear is compromised here on the name of lesser freedoms. 2nd Amendment was brought about in 1789 when civil war was on people's minds and southern states had not completely conceded. There was no 911 at the time either. It is fine to keep a regular gun at home for self defense but the bullets will need to be rationed and accounted for like they do in Switzerland. In US we have alcohol and tobacco control but no gun control.
      May 31
  • Microsoft idknbd
    nobody at salesforce cares if you own a gun or are politically conservative, seriously
    May 30 4
    • Accenture shortsell
      OP
      So your saying Benioff doesn't care if I own an AR-15? Because that's not what his tweeted and he is no stranger to donating large sums of money to gun control groups. Some of these groups advocate for laws that would require me to hand over this (ar-15) style of gun or go to jail.

      Like, you have 30 days. Turn it in, or we come with our guns, point them at you and your family and put you in jail type laws.
      May 30
    • Salesforce hypeforce
      But we do care if your kid shows up at school with your gun.
      May 31
    • Microsoft idknbd
      He cares if you own an AR-15, not that you own a gun. That is not at all inconsistent with my statement.
      May 31
    • Accenture shortsell
      OP
      @hyperforce of course I care if someone shows up at a school with one, that's abhorrent. I would feel the same way if someone got drunk and mowed down kids crossing the street on a field trip. I wouldn't advocate for banning cars or drinking. I would be fine with safety measures like laws prohibiting drinking and driving, like we have, and like we have about not shooting people.
      May 31
  • Tableau krxi15
    While this thread is going on, another mass shooting in Virginia beach.
    May 31 3
    • Accenture shortsell
      OP
      That's terrible. How is it relevant to this thread?
      May 31
    • Microsoft idknbd
      Maybe it's an example of the reason SF did what it did.
      May 31
    • OpenTable Meliodas
      How so? Why would someone use Salesforce for illegal gun sales?
      May 31
  • OpenTable Meliodas
    Gun grabbers gonna grab.
    May 31 0
  • Oracle alwzangry
    This is how you get {your favorite ideolog -ical} authoritarianism. Where's antitrust? Practically asleep this millennium. When you get monopolies and cartels, consumers get a big 'screw you'.
    May 30 0
  • Salesforce / Eng pRtz42
    We talked about this internally yesterday, this is apparently our only customer who might be directly affected. The actual policy is worded vaguely enough to drive a freight train full of AR-15s through, and it's not clear who if anyone is responsible for enforcing it.

    It's a feel good virtue signal with no teeth.
    Jun 1 4
    • Oracle alwzangry
      Most business leaders are Republican leaning. How does virtue-signaling help an Enterprise software company?
      Jun 1
    • Microsoft idknbd
      No they aren't
      Jun 1
    • Salesforce / Eng pRtz42
      @alwayzangry This doesn't affect our customers and plays well with employees, who lean liberal. Doesn't matter what business leaders think
      Jun 1
    • Oracle alwzangry
      Are you suggesting business leaders aren't your customers, or that they don't get to care because you don't have any competition?
      Jun 1
  • Salesforce rhaheba
    In the end money talks in this country, if Salesforce bottom line will start to hurt they may backtrack. Just like the NFL saga
    May 31 1
    • Accenture shortsell
      OP
      Agreed. And that's fine for me I believe money is speech ala Citizens United.
      May 31
  • Apple magikarp16
    Good move!
    May 30 0

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