Seattle is Dying: Your Voice, Your Future

Microsoft Hyad70
May 27 59 Comments

Great hour-long special on some local network station. Like San Francisco, Seattle with all its natural beauty is a mess due to the political policies implemented.

Folks that vote Democrat or Socialist in 2020 will knowingly or not, assure the social mess in SF and Seattle spreads to other cities across our nation.

My wife isn't from the US and was appalled at the poverty, Drugs, filth and dispare. Truly a shame.

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  • Facebook public2
    What's your solution? Jail everyone?
    May 27 32
    • Oracle pzd
      @Apple ok. I don't get your point though. Are you suggesting that I should support government protection for commodity jobs because my job might get commoditized someday?
      May 28
    • Apple purifier
      @pzd teachers are not a commodity job, just like firefighters, defense, etc. they are strategic to the nation. We are a commodity job and can be easily replaced
      May 28
    • Google Mmkaay
      Teaching is not a commodity job, but if there are too many teachers then their wages will go down. It is the world’s way to tell us to focus on areas that need other set of skills, not necessarily more or less important.
      May 28
    • Oracle pzd
      Defense is pretty much the definition of commodity job
      May 28
    • Apple purifier
      I don’t really like the term commodity job. I would rather use strategic jobs, the ones that you can’t cut without have significant issues over time as a nation
      May 28
  • Credit Karma EllisDee25
    Yeah, neoliberal inequality and social austerity suck pretty bad. There should probably be living wage jobs, affordable housing and a housing first policy for homeless people.
    May 27 12
    • Credit Karma EllisDee25
      www.google.com

      www.why-u-implying-i-lying.com

      https://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/stats/Economy/Social-welfare-spending/%3E-%25-of-GDP/Excluding-education

      Or the original source for the last link here:

      https://data.oecd.org/socialexp/social-spending.htm

      The think tanks that talk about US spending use the same data, but that’s just using data as sleight of hand. Total spending is meaningless without comparing the size of the economy and other context. Percentage of GDP shows more about how wealth is prioritized... and for the US, social spending is lower on the list compared to other industrial countries.
      May 27
    • I'm not implying you're lying. Don't sperg. I'd never heard those stats.

      % of GDP is an odd metric because "austerity" usually refers to government spending while that captures it vs everything produced.

      What's the same comparison using % of govt spending?
      May 28
    • Credit Karma EllisDee25
      GDP tells us the size of the economy, roughly, so that comparison tells us how much a country spends on social programs vs the economic strength. Total spending itself would be useless since a populous country with low social spending still might spend a lot. You’d probably want to look at total spending per capita.

      The last link I posted has that info. There’s also google.com 😝
      May 28
    • Microsoft Hyad70
      OP
      Social spending may indeed be lower in the US, but remember, we bear the brunt of military spending that other developed countries have not been bellying up...Japan. Germany, France, etc.
      May 28
    • Credit Karma EllisDee25
      Yes, I think that’s true - don’t think it’s the right priority though.
      May 28
  • Microsoft GqTJ43
    This is bullshit. Seattle is the same as it always has been. Moderate climates on the West Coast attract homelessness. Portland & LA have similar issues.

    The KOMO special was a piece of propaganda masquerading as journalism.

    If you don’t like Seattle. Please, leave.
    May 27 7
    • Credit Karma EllisDee25
      Edit: I completely misinterpreted GQ’s intent in posting the link.

      Yeah, ever been to LA’s skid row? It’s an abandoned warehouse district with no rich people. LAPD literally dump people from jail onto skid row. Ambulance services dump uninsured people there as well.

      They do the same here... move homeless from rich or gentrifying neighborhoods to low-income or out of the way ones. “Liberal” SF also buys homeless people one way out of town bus passes. None of this is effective nor are Republican “solutions” because homelessness is not a set number of people, it’s a social issue. So you can lock up homeless people, hide them in a ghetto like LA, let them stay in tents and provide some minor services, but the structure of US society will just continue to produce homeless... most homeless people already are only temporarily homeless... the problem is that the rate of falling into homelessness has outpaced people recovering from it.

      GQ is correct, homelessness is more common on the west coast altogether... including in the Republican-run areas of California. Both parties have more or less followed a similar policy trajectory. Democrats use some nice words though while Republicans tend to be rhetorically meaner.
      May 27
    • Microsoft TrumpWins
      @GqTJ43 is probably a transplant and/or actively campaigns for the city to downplay the homelessness and drug problems. I know various people who have lived in Seattle for 50+ years and say the city has become a major shithole and not what it once was.

      We can go outside and see the problem with our own eyes. You and the mayor will never be able to trick people while the evidence is so clearly on display.
      May 27
    • Microsoft GqTJ43
      Yeah, you’re wrong. Not a transplant. Homelessness has always been an issue.
      May 27
    • Amazon djxjsnjs
      @gq if you want Seattle to get worse. Please, leave.
      May 27
  • Google Mmkaay
    Shitatle compared to Bellevue is like a shit hole compared to a beautiful garden. Hope Bellevue keeps it clean
    May 27 0
  • Google s4B0dn
    It's not just that. Cities that are temperate year round are probably your best chance if you're homeless. Not to mention panhandlers can actually collect decent money at the right places.

    That said the housing and opioid crisis don't help.
    May 27 1
    • Microsoft GqTJ43
      Yep, and heroin has been an issue around here long before Oxy ever existed. The overcast sky’s can lead to seasonal effectiveness disorder, which also doesn’t help. And a culture where becoming homeless might be more socially accepted and you can find a sense of community in the camps.

      Kshama Sawant and other politicians are horribly misguided to solely scapegoat major corporations as the only factor to this crisis. Housing and inequality is just on piece of a very old pie.

      You should grab a beer at the Hooverville bar in SODO, it’s just one reference to Seattle’s long history of homelessness. Unfortunately context doesn’t matter when KOMO created their special.
      May 28
  • Microsoft GqTJ43
    Nope. My position wasn’t get homeless away from rich people. I guess that was yours.
    May 27 1
    • Credit Karma EllisDee25
      Yeah, I completely misunderstood your reason for posting the link and thought you meant the opposite. My mistake!
      May 27

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