Self driving non robotics roles

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Mar 14 80 Comments

For self driving car companies like Cruise, is it worth joining non robotics roles like data or ML infra? How is the work different from comparable roles at other internet companies? I don’t have relevant experience in robotics or computer vision and I would like to eventually get into that space.

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  • Cruise Automation UHDd18
    The work and challenges are far more rewarding than anything you’ll find at any internet company. You don’t necessarily need to be interested in robotics or computer vision to join the teams you mentioned - but it’s definitely the best way to get your foot in the door if that’s what you want to pursue
    Mar 15 42
    • Cruise Automation dkquen381
      Cruise offices are separate than GM and our head count isn’t tied to GM. We’re hiring in Phoenix but it’s specifically operations engineering with a mech/ee background. Engineering solutions around reducing expenses to scale, etc.
      Mar 18
    • I am SysEng background, so maybe there’s a fit. I’ll check it out 👍
      Mar 18
    • Cruise Automation
      dwaynemusk

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      @thoi crickets... #burn
      Mar 18
    • Cruise Automation dkquen381
      Probably changed his name tbh.
      Mar 19
    • @dkquen381, I sent you a message if you care to take a look
      Mar 19
  • Uber tttrr
    Yes. Self driving is gold mine right now, even if just paper money
    Mar 15 4
    • Amazon sinter
      So you get paid in CASH?!
      Mar 16
    • MGM Resorts joTz32
      At Uber it's a gold mine, because the company's survival depends on it.
      Mar 16
    • Uber tttrr
      No it doesn't. That's bs believed by previous CEO who didn't believe in partnership. We can gut atg and replace with better players for cheaper
      Mar 17
    • Bentley Systems qkpv36
      @tttrr are you sure? Isn’t Uber still bleeding money?
      Mar 19
  • Tesla / Eng tusk elon
    The challenges on ML infra side are amazing. Definitely more satisfying when you see the results after so much grind.
    Other roles that have massive impact are building great tools that would help robotics/ML folks visualize their algorithms, or contribute to software for the simulations
    Mar 16 2
    • Microsoft
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      Wouldn't you feel dumb --at least a bit-- for not being able to do the smartest stuff like vision, if you work on infra etc
      Mar 16
    • Tesla / Eng tusk elon
      There are a lot of design challenges in infra.
      You should listen to Andrej's talk on Software 2.0 . I don't want to give out specific examples at the fear of talking something i should not, but that talk gives a good idea on how important ML infra is.
      (I don't work in infra, so my comment isn't biased).
      You also have non-ML side of infra which is piping a lot of data to engineers in a way that can be useful to them. Same with tooling. I know a lot of people who love having other engineers as their customers and feel satisfied when their work drastically improves the work flow.
      It may not be math which people claim to be cool. But the design challenges are insane. I find a lot of them harder than the algorithms i deal with daily.
      Mar 16
  • NIO / Eng Bye!Bye!
    OP, thanks for not categorizing Computer Vision under the Deep Learning bucket.

    As for transitioning to ML and eventually CV/Robotics - once a software engineer, never an algorithm engineer. And vice versa, unless you undergo a Copernican inversion in world outlook.
    Mar 16 2
    • New wGsQ24
      Is it that hard to move?
      Mar 16
    • Amazon gkeH07
      "a Copernican inversion in world outlook"?
      You have delusions of grandeur, sir.
      Mar 16
  • Google techant
    Eventually is now. Not very many people have experience in this area so you'll be as equipped as anyone. Be a pioneer!
    Mar 16 0
  • Microsoft
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    Self driving was hottest 5yrs ago now it’s saturated and has already been solved. What’s holding it back from going farther than a car feature are ethical issues and trust factors. Source: me, a previous CV engineer on an autonomous car project.
    Mar 17 14
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      Yes, that’s why I said it...
      Mar 18
    • Google masteratbs
      Exactly
      Mar 18
    • Microsoft
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      Your trolling needs work.
      Mar 18
    • Amazon / Product
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      I'd tend to agree that the CV problem may be solved (although that part will continue to be improved) but there are still major business problems to be solved with autonomous. And lots of money to be made in solving those problems.
      Mar 19
    • Kaspersky Lab / Other
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      @Microsoft, and from my professional opinion security issues of self-driving cars are not even close to get resolved. So trust issues are not unfounded. The whole IoT is one big disaster scenario for cyberterrorism.
      Mar 20
  • New / Eng TC++
    How to get interview with Cruise or Waymo? Anyone can refer me?
    Mar 16 1
    • Apple / Eng
      iHateFruit

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      What about Zoox?
      Mar 16
  • Microsoft / Data _john_doe
    Wait! Ca someone help me understand how ML/vision people would be less important then robotics people? I mean robotics people's work is useless without ML and vice versa so how come one could be better than the other. Other than not being able to finding people experienced in the area. I mostly look at it in one's value in the work place. Not necessarily in terms of the money.
    Mar 16 4
    • Cruise Automation dkquen381
      It’s just a lot harder to find hardware people. ML became the new hotness a few years back and everyone started getting ML masters and PhD’s and now the market is saturated.

      Hardware folks are still few and far between.
      Mar 16
    • Microsoft / Data _john_doe
      Himm i see. But the value of the work is almost the same.
      Mar 16
    • Microsoft interesti
      I think ML here is not what you think. By computer vision, it means pattern recognition etc that is needed to analyze and make a decision in real time which uses ML. What OP asks is a platform where you can cook data to analyze to improve the algorithm afterwards based on the data collection. The first part requires someone trained in ML for specific scenarios. The latter part is software engineers building a platform for data scientists and the vision scientists mentioned in the first part.
      Mar 17
    • Microsoft
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      I don’t understand how you all are separating CV for self-driving from robotics. Haven’t you all heard of R.O.S? Hello
      Mar 17
  • Amazon / Product
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    Anyone working in autonomous trucks? This area interests me a lot.
    Mar 16 0
  • Aurora bystander!
    I missed some intense action here!
    Mar 16 0
  • Groupon afw
    Curise onsite in April in Seattle? Same here. Also non robotic role.
    Mar 16 0

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