Sharing my master’s new grad offers (on the high-end ) & input needed

Microsoft Nbcndjks
Sep 15, 2018 44 Comments

Company/Location/Base/Equity/Sign-on
Apple/Cupertino/135k/270k/50k
Google/MTV/120k/250k/50k
FB/Menlo Park/115k/150k/100k
Palantir/Seattle/115k/60k shares of options/50k
Citadel/Chicago/150k/No Stock, at least 60k/yr cash bonus/100k sign-on
Microsoft/Bay Area/130k/150k/50k
Uber/SF/110k/110k/20k

The equities are all 4-year totals except for Palantir which is 5-year.

A few things that I don’t agree with many of the posts on Blind:
1. Apple pays lower than FB? They have much better initial figures and refresh than FB
2. Google numbers can go really high if you have competing offers, but FB was only able to increase the sign-on
3. Uber’s new grad offer is quite lowball and is non-negotiable

In terms of my interview experiences with these companies, I was pretty impressed by the people at Google, Apple, Palantir, and Citadel. I didn’t like FB though as my interviewers seemed pretty incompetent. It looked as though they simply memorized LeetCode to get into FB but in fact had very poor backgrounds(although this is just a small sample and doesn’t reflect the whole company). FB also does diversity hiring nowadays, requiring all schools, regardless of reputation, to be equally represented. My school (Stanford) had a higher % of people whose resumes got rejected by FB than SJSU.

I wonder if anyone can give me some advise mainly on choosing between Google, Apple, Palantir, and Citadel.

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TOP 44 Comments
  • Microsoft Derek4Real
    Why waste time & $ on a masters? Ouch
    Sep 15, 2018 3
    • Microsoft Nbcndjks
      OP
      I had never studied CS before Master’s. I was in HW(chip design) for one year after my Bachelors and decided to switch because the TC was shit (95k in Bay Area, Intel)
      Sep 15, 2018
    • That's a good reason imo. Good job on the offers.
      Sep 15, 2018
    • New / IT webdye
      It always pays off in the end, I don’t consider it a waste of time at all.
      Sep 15, 2018
  • Oracle 9Olww
    Be a Googler. Better work environment than Apple, and top of industry reputation for resume. Palantir many view sceptically with respect to ethics, and passing up on FANG is a bad career move. Go with this if you can't stand the bay area though. Don't know Citadel. As always, leave if you don't like what you pick.
    What's your area of expertise, if you don't mind me asking?
    Sep 15, 2018 1
    • Google / Eng 🍑☁️
      Apple still has a good reputation, and if OP was able to get offers from all of these companies already with just their current resume, it's not gonna be a problem for them later when they have Apple on their resume too.

      Google is definitely slightly sexier on a resume, but since OP already isn't having trouble getting offers, it makes more sense to optimize for TC.
      Sep 15, 2018
  • Google JPpr12
    Would strongly recommend Google over Apple. In general, a much higher bar for software engineering hires, significantly better culture and so on.
    Sep 15, 2018 0
  • Groupon preorder
    Join Uber. The selfish reason for my advice is that you seem smart and I'd love to have you on my side 😊. The non selfish, from my perspective, reason is that someone smart and driven is going to make a much better impact at Uber. It's got products any human can relate to. So any one can build the mental model of the entire company's business model. That gives you the greatest chance of knowing what's going on in the company. It gives you a chance to see opportunities. It gives you a chance to see missteps and voice your concerns. You get to be part of the company rather than just a small subteam of a subteam of subteam of a team of a division catering to some higher level business goal. Whether or not you make the biggest impact possible, you will develop a better intuition for evaluating tech companies. This will give you a big boost in the tech industry. It sets you up to choose the right next company. It sets you up to guide the next company or Uber itself to be set up for success.
    Sep 15, 2018 4
    • Yahoo OathO
      You joined Uber? How do you compare Groupon model with ride-sharing? Lol asking just because someone made analogy between them.
      Sep 18, 2018
    • Groupon preorder
      Lol. Back end engineering is more challenging at Uber. Future TC is way better. All hands are more dreamy ✨🔭. Overall I feel more excited about the day here than at Groupon.
      The team mates were amazing at Groupon as well. The same applies here at Uber.
      Sep 18, 2018
    • Yahoo OathO
      People say Ride-sharing are like groupon, can raise money but will fail eventually...
      Sep 18, 2018
    • Groupon preorder
      Proposed valuation of Uber today is seven times Groupon IPO valuation. The question is - have users made Uber seven times more money then Groupon on a per year basis? Gotta do some research there. Off the top of my head, Uber blows Groupon out of the water in such comparison.
      Sep 19, 2018
  • Google s89
    Come to fb or go to uber. U will learn a lot as new grad.
    Sep 15, 2018 7
    • Google s89
      @ukft56. Lets be honest. Goog stopped quality software long back. Its now in the mode of greedy child who wants everything which friends have. So much duplicate code & applications.

      Talking about shit code lol. Goog rolled back some message feature with in 2 weeks after pi release.

      I stayed at goog for just 1 yr. i saw many folks complaining about promotion process and they are unhappy about it. Career growth is definetely the key thing people should focus atleast new grads.
      Sep 15, 2018
    • Google s89
      @preorder, i was at google for just an year. 2017. Joined fb this q1. I can tell u that i learnt lot more at fb in this 8 months when compared to goog. I am not new grad but i can certainly tell u based on the work pace and culture at both places, fb is better for new grads. At google, they end up wasting significant time on design docs even for most obvious things
      Sep 15, 2018
    • Google / Eng uKft56
      @s89 I see where you are coming from. What does learning mean ? Code some crap you regret 6mo later ?
      Sep 16, 2018
    • Google / Eng uKft56
      Also many of our experiences are anecdotal ( including mine )

      Quality : it is not binary. I would put Google significantly above fb
      Sep 16, 2018
    • Google s89
      Code crap and regret lol. FYI. I saw lot of crap code at Google too.
      Sep 16, 2018
  • Uber uBasic
    TBH focusing on TC too much too early in your career could lead to premature optimization. I’m not saying it ain’t important (it absolutely is), but it’s also important to look at the team, potential upside, exposure to technologies, leadership opportunities and how all of that map to your personal and career goals (if you have one at this point)
    Sep 15, 2018 1
    • Apple rDvg11
      Agree.
      Sep 15, 2018
  • Apple / Eng Wayne8888
    What org at Apple? The answer varies from “hell yes” to “run far, far away” depending on the org
    Sep 15, 2018 2
    • eBay / Eng
      Shaktimann

      eBay Eng

      PRE
      eBay
      Shaktimannmore
      How is the Siri Org? Especially the Siri New Grad program @ Wayne
      Sep 15, 2018
    • Apple / Eng Wayne8888
      Is it a ML role?
      Sep 15, 2018
  • Apple EXQB54
    Thats a boatload of offers to have at one time. Congrats! And the Apple and Google offers seem very high.

    Is this for all Stanford grads, or did you do a relevant high-impact project in grad school?
    Sep 15, 2018 2
    • Microsoft Nbcndjks
      OP
      I think it was because I negotiated really, really hard. Probably have nothing to do with my university
      Sep 15, 2018
    • Apple GlLE81
      As a Stanford Alumni, I can tell you that Stanford on your resume at least gets you an on site at any of the big companies. After that, it’s all you.
      Sep 15, 2018
  • Airbnb Stvdo
    Do you know what teams you will be joining at Google and Apple?

    As for Citadel, what would career progression look like? Would you have to transition to a non-eng/trader role to get promoted once you are senior?
    Sep 15, 2018 1
    • Facebook Yuhhhhh
      There are no levels at Citadel. You get higher visibility projects and get paid a lot of money as you progress.
      Sep 16, 2018
  • Apple / Eng cho Chang
    Don’t go with palantir, since they may never plan on going public
    Sep 15, 2018 0
  • Airbnb Stvdo
    How big are Apple’s refreshers compared to Google’s? Do they also have an annual bonus?

    Also, what % of people from Stanford get resume-rejected from FB? Wouldn’t it be because they’ve hit their new grad quota?
    Sep 15, 2018 3
    • Microsoft Nbcndjks
      OP
      apple has slightly bigger refreshers but slightly lower cash bonus than Google. Around 50% got resume-rejected and it was precisely because FB sets quota for each school for “equal representation”
      Sep 15, 2018
    • Google GOaT77
      Citadel only if you want high risk high reward and are a workaholic
      Sep 15, 2018
    • Google jgd
      Average refreshes at Apple are lower. Top performers at both companies get similar refreshes though.
      Sep 15, 2018
  • Groupon cfgw24
    Did you go to Stanford also when you are an undergrad?
    Sep 15, 2018 1
    • Microsoft Nbcndjks
      OP
      Nope. One of the top 15 colleges
      Sep 15, 2018
  • Apple rDvg11
    Stanford new grad in Apple here. Damn, I should have negotiated for more RSU. Which org in Apple?
    Sep 15, 2018 0
  • Choose the team you like at Google/Apple/Citadel
    Sep 15, 2018 0
  • Northrop Grumman iCallBS
    OP in your opinion do you think Georgia Tech OMSCS is a good enough to get offers like yours?
    Sep 15, 2018 0
  • MathWorks £€€¥
    I know this is like 6 months late, but how did you prepare for interviews? Landing so many offers (lined up as well) is crazy!
    Feb 7 0
  • Yahoo OathO
    Shocked by Uber’s offer..... I think I would go for Apple or Citadel depending which company and location you prefer.
    Sep 18, 2018 0
  • Teledyne Technologies wish I knew
    Consider Apple over others but not because of TC. You will learn a lot more than FB and Google from my past experience. Don’t know about Uber and Citadel to comment.
    Sep 15, 2018 0
  • Google NewGrad++
    FO at Citadel probably pays more than G. Do you which teams for both?
    Sep 15, 2018 0