Sharing my offers , evaluate (Fb, Google,Ms and Appl) , current SDE2

Amazon bloglog
May 9, 2018 58 Comments

Sde 2 total 5.5yrs exp
Offers , thoughts ?

Google (team matched GCP) - T4 (Seattle) , 145k base, 480k worth stocks/4 , 40k signon and year end 15%

Fb- E5(Seattle) , 180k base, 600k stocks/4, 40k signon

Apple(Bay area)- ICT4 , 180k base, 240k/4, 40k signon

Msft Azure(Redmond) -L63 , 160k base, 220k/4, 70k/2 years signon.

Current ~210k tc.

Wanted Google, but they won't budge on salary(bumped up initial stock from 260 - 480k after fb offer). Recruited mentioned they had to get special approval from Vp or something.

Fb hearing lot of terrible things about work life balance.

MSFT recruiter said this is top of the line and absolute max for 63.

Apple seems lowball in terms of stock.

Opinions/Suggestions ?

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TOP 58 Comments
  • Credit Karma SFnC78
    Can you please share your preparation process?
    May 9, 2018 4
    • Amazon bloglog
      OP
      Got some PM asking same, will create a separate post stating the process
      May 9, 2018
    • Microsoft mauster
      Yes please
      May 9, 2018
    • Amazon bloglog
      OP
      Done. Under Career topic
      May 10, 2018
    • Tesla LEETCODER
      What is it called?
      May 16, 2018
  • Apple / Eng Tushar roy
    Fb for sure based on comp
    May 9, 2018 3
    • Amazon bloglog
      OP
      Thanks , btw nice videos on YouTube pretty helpful (esp Dp ones)
      May 9, 2018
    • Amazon bloglog
      OP
      Assuming it is real Tushar roy..:)
      May 9, 2018
    • Apple / Eng Tushar roy
      Lol I’m not actually tushar Roy 🤣
      May 9, 2018
  • Amazon highrent
    jesus FB
    May 9, 2018 2
    • Microsoft grillman
      Theres a lot of money in the business of stealing others data
      May 9, 2018
    • Marvell MtnSpring
      @grillman: wake up. Everyone does it.
      May 10, 2018
  • Salesforce fvir
    It is very clear. Go for FB, in the worst case you can move to Google T5 after a year.
    May 9, 2018 9
    • Uber .:
      They lied, even L6 is possible with < 10 years of experience.

      Know dozen of engineers joining Google as L5 with this range of experience. The best one only has 4 years of experience
      May 10, 2018
    • Google Facebook
      L5 with 4 yoe? That must be something :)
      May 11, 2018
    • Uber .:
      They just seem to be upfront with their recruiter and don't move along with the process unless it's L5. Their offer is similar to other people with the same YoE though. It's L5 nonetheless
      May 12, 2018
    • Google Facebook
      You probably have no idea how Google’s recruitment works.

      They have a spreadsheet with parameters like years of experience, education and current (or competing) compensation. So they define the level they’re gonna try to hire you at by entering those numbers and looking up what the spreadsheet shows them. And trust me, there’s no cell in it which would associate 4-5 yoe with L5 :)

      Then, assuming you’ve rocked the interviews the hiring committee usually recommends hiring you at one level below of what HR proposed, unless you demonstrated some good signals you could potentially execute at the level above than proposed. Meaning, to get hired at L5 you must show some L6 traits.

      The only exception when, despite HC recommendation to lowball you, you can still be hired at the level proposed by HR is VP review. To keep your level VP essentially says: we want this particular guy so badly at this point, that I agree to give hime more $$ just to get him do the work.
      May 12, 2018
    • Uber .:
      Sorry I would love to trust your reponse but I trust the story told by my friend and it's very different to what you are saying here about how Google recruitment works. I don't what to be identified here by telling a detail story but if you want to hear, feel free to DM.

      Btw, what is the minimum YoE for L4 that you know of?
      May 12, 2018
  • Microsoft Djdjwofhd
    Microsoft recruiter is telling more or less the truth. It would be very hard to get anything more than what you got.

    Seems like a solid FB offer. If you don't care about the location, I would take that over all the others after considering the comp and level.

    Congratulations!
    May 9, 2018 2
    • Amazon bloglog
      OP
      I esp chose the team I wanted to interview with, product is great (top offering in Azure) however offer not very competitve considering market. Seems like leaving cash on the table if I were to go for Msft.
      May 9, 2018
    • Microsoft Djdjwofhd
      Not just that If you want to be empowered as an engineer, Microsoft isn't the place. It's better to go to companies like FB or Google to take on more responsibility and autonomy
      May 9, 2018
  • Google / Eng
    BbqGuy

    Google Eng

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    BbqGuymore
    I am sorry, I read it wrong. Definitely go with FB.
    May 9, 2018 1
    • Google / Eng
      eYiX63

      Google Eng

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      eYiX63more
      You can delete the older message
      May 10, 2018
  • Does FB wlb really suck? What about Oculus? Same?
    May 9, 2018 2
    • Amazon bloglog
      OP
      My teammate joined 3 months back, say is pulling 65hours /week on avg. Not sure about Oculus
      May 9, 2018
    • Amazon / Eng c841b5
      Is it team specific or is it bad for the entire FB Seattle office?
      May 10, 2018
  • Amazon f3
    So you want top salary with work life balance. Come out of your la la land.
    May 9, 2018 0
  • BetterWorks / Other B.B.8
    Wow, Google absolutely lowballed you the first time. Even the updated TC is considered the 50th percentile for T4. Did you do poor on their interview but really well for FB?

    If you haven't negotiated much with FB yet, you might be able to bump either base to 190 or RSU to 700. If FB is location agnostic then I've definitely seen higher signon up to
    100 (maybe depends on interview performance). You might be able to convince them with the whole "I'll accept on the spot if you increase my bonus" thing. Regardless, FB gave a decent offer. Congrats!
    May 9, 2018 4
    • Google Facebook
      https://www.teamblind.com/article/google-engineer---total-compensation-in-us---ultimate-post-jYcrij5X

      I’d say it’s 80% percentile of L4. And L4 for 5-6 years of experience is just about right.

      FB offer is the absolute top, especially for the aforementioned yoe. It’s even overpaid imo. I’d choose FB w/o a doubt.
      May 9, 2018
    • Amazon bloglog
      OP
      Thanks for the linked post. Yeah it looks like 80-90 tile , btw do in that post do you also take in account signon bonus or not ?
      May 10, 2018
    • BetterWorks / Other B.B.8
      Oh I see, I usually don't count sign on within the TC so I interpreted it a bit lower on the scale.
      May 10, 2018
    • Google Facebook
      The data in that post doesn’t include sign on.
      May 10, 2018
  • Qualcomm sumdude
    How did you land ICT4 with only 5.5 years of experience? Great offers btw
    May 9, 2018 2
    • Amazon bloglog
      OP
      Was upfront with recruiters about being evaluated/interested for senior levels. Most of them said they will evaluate for senior and one level below Fb E4/5, Apple 3/4 only Google recruiter outright rejected that <10 years t5 not possible. Probably did system design well , I am guessing .
      May 9, 2018
    • LinkedIn chaaos
      I interviewed last week at google for T5 with only 6 years of exp. I had to push the recruiter and insist on T5 though.
      May 11, 2018
  • Amazon vjhhgt
    Google for sure. Fb seattle people are overworked
    May 9, 2018 2
    • Amazon vjhhgt
      Nvm my comment, I did the math. Pick FB for sure
      May 9, 2018
    • Amazon bloglog
      OP
      Google's base is just 2k more than my current ,though TC is significantly more). But Fb money is very tempting.
      May 9, 2018
  • Google xgoogler2b
    Does fb offer the same pay in different locations? It sounds like bay area offers top out at what you have too
    May 9, 2018 1
    • Amazon bloglog
      OP
      From my research Fb is same location agnostic. Google in Seattle is around ~12-15% less in base compared to bay. Amazon is same as Google in this regards(base is 10% more for bay area)
      May 9, 2018
  • Chase tjPE83
    Fb for sure. You’ll double your tc!
    May 9, 2018 0
  • Microsoft RcFm02
    Facebook offer is out of the world ...at this stage I would simply pick g or FB , even msft for WLB ..apple seems the worst pick of all your offers
    Nov 9, 2018 0
  • Facebook gLKg44
    FB's numbers are way ahead of everything else. From that regard, FB is a no-brainer. However the reason you decided to quit your current job was WLB -- don't expect any better at FB. If you're OK with that, go for it.
    May 10, 2018 0
  • Google / Eng
    BbqGuy

    Google Eng

    PRE
    Oracle, Synopsys, Mentor Graphics
    BbqGuymore
    I would say run with the google offer. It's probably in top 1% of T4.
    May 9, 2018 1
    • Uber Funfact
      Excuse me, every single T4 offer I know is higher than that
      May 10, 2018
  • Microsoft .•.
    Facebook - Take it and go!

    Congrats and thanks for both the posts! Good luck!
    May 11, 2018 0
  • New Pldrxy
    FB
    May 9, 2018 0
  • Microsoft / Mgmt
    Бабушка

    Microsoft Mgmt

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    Бабушкаmore
    Congrats! Come to FB. You'll love it!
    May 9, 2018 1
    • Amazon bloglog
      OP
      Thanks, yeah looks like Fb it is
      May 9, 2018
  • New Tips
    @bloglog how did you present competitors offers to recruiter? the official offer letter or just a summary?
    May 9, 2018 1
    • Amazon bloglog
      OP
      Told recruiters about having verbal offers, recruiters nowadays are well aware of verbal offers (and finalized only when you accept)
      May 10, 2018