Shocked At Compensation On Blind

JetBlue / Eng anonymust
Dec 10, 2017 132 Comments

With the major presence of tech companies on here, especially larger ones, I was expecting some high compensation numbers, but some of what I've seen has blown my expectations out of the water.

I've been working nearly a decade and a manager for 2 years. Business side with expert SQL and light programming skillset. Non-tech company. NYC. $107k base, 5-10k bonus, $35k RSUs.

I was happy at $75k to be honest, and I'm not money hungry or jealous, but this has really put things in perspective and opened up my eyes to tech and what kind of money can be made with just a few years experience.

Anyone else feel the same?

Edit: I make 2 grand more in base than I thought. HMB while I buy a Tesla

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  • Oracle JnxP12
    Dude you made the mistake of joining Blind. Now you will burn inside forever
    Dec 10, 2017 9
    • Google iuzS21
      I am sure your friends haven't ruined it for you with the burn in and space heater jokes 😁😁

      Oops! Did I just ruin it for you? 😂😂

      Jokes apart, just realize that you don't have to compare yourself with others, but just with yourself.

      I was close to buying a few thousand dollars of Bitcoin in 2011-12 when the prices were in single digits. But I didn't because I thought I may as well have flushed that money down the toilet.

      Always remember that as long as your decision is rational given the information and circumstance, you did make the right choice and you shouldn't blame yourself for missing out the opportunity. That opportunity never existed in the first place.
      Dec 10, 2017
    • Amazon meteo
      Oled or bust!
      Dec 10, 2017
    • Microsoft / Eng
      MP3

      Microsoft Eng

      BIO
      Troll living under the I-5 overpass
      MP3more
      @iuzS21:
      I feel your pain. I’m quite OCD in that regard myself so instead of getting OLED I quit watching TV altogether. I win! Lol
      Dec 10, 2017
    • JetBlue / Eng anonymust
      OP
      I'd buy an OLED TV, but I'm not in tech so I can only afford a hand-down tube from the 80s.
      Dec 10, 2017
    • Amgen Biologics
      When Panasonic bought pioneers plasma tech those last plasma models have zero burn in and ok on heat ... inky black... plasma for lyfe... until I see 4K lol
      Dec 10, 2017
  • Amazon / Eng dongs
    Your total comp is around the same as a new college hire dev at the Amazon NYC office.
    Dec 10, 2017 12
    • Intel zmxnv
      Are you super smart ? High IQ ? That's what top paying companies grok for. You don't have to be super bright necessarily to get hired but you do have to be at the top of your game to survive thrive and make big bucks. Not all of us have what it takes and no matter how diligently we work we will never have what it takes.
      Dec 12, 2017
    • Amazon / Eng
      Hooliganss

      Amazon Eng

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      Hooliganssmore
      Nah, unless you have a physical limiter, you could have what it takes. The differentiator is that most people don’t want it as bad as some people. Some are willing to spend 15 hours a day at work to ensure that they’re one of the most productive. Most aren’t.
      Dec 12, 2017
    • GoDaddy glompix
      As if time = productivity 🤣
      Dec 12, 2017
    • Tableau HyperYezus
      Right zmxnv, it's not required to kill yourself to succeed but you have to have tech skills in valued areas, typically deep programming expertise.. But if you are light programming and sql it will be hard to get double comp without more technical capability.
      Dec 12, 2017
    • Amazon / Eng
      Hooliganss

      Amazon Eng

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      Engineer at AWS
      Hooliganssmore
      Some people can do a task in an hour, others in 4 hours. If someone wants to be a top performer, they can do it, even if it means putting a lot more time in.
      Dec 12, 2017
  • Intel Ncurhxhv
    Some of the things here get exaggerated. Take it with a grain of salt. Yes, it can get higher, but you can't compare others compensation etc to yourself since the location can be different etc.

    Best context to compare is with friend/peer who come from a similar background and is working similar job roles.
    Dec 10, 2017 15
    • Microsoft rggL35
      Yes but if business and "IT" were partners rather than adversaries, what pmwj71 said would hold up. Technology and engineering can be a differentiator and not just a cost center.
      Dec 11, 2017
    • Microsoft vector3
      @rggl_35 if the activity is not directly related to producing the products (or services) that define the core business of the company, then it’s treated as overhead and not COGS in the financial statements. Unless the company changes its mission statement and pivots (like Goldman Sachs), then the programmers in that company will always be IT.
      Dec 11, 2017
    • Microsoft rggL35
      I think I just said that? :) a good example is an advertising company. They employ 2 sets of engineers - one in IT working on back office apps and infrastructure and the other group builds the sites (and software) for their clients.

      Which do you think gets outsourced at every opportunity?
      Dec 11, 2017
    • Microsoft vector3
      This is blind cut me some slack!
      Dec 12, 2017
    • Microsoft rggL35
      Consider yourself a slacker? Slacked? :)
      Dec 12, 2017
  • Google ughshot
    well if you compare yourself with people doing better than you, you ll never be happy. i had a friend making 400k in tech company at age 30. he was sad because some friend of him made director and my friend was not there yet. if you make director then you can still compare yourself with zuckerberg.
    instead, just gather information and try to leverage that. FANG people are paid well. What does it take? Am i willing to make the sacrifices?
    I migrated to US when i was 30 from a 3rd world country. i was hired at entry level. 24 years old kid was my tech lead. No point getting mad at this. We work with what we have in life and try to improve. i was making 10k in my home country 5 years ago, next year i ll be making 400k. but it didnt happen easy.
    Dec 11, 2017 4
    • Amazon / Other xConsultnt
      Literally rags to riches, awesome!
      Dec 11, 2017
    • Amazon / Eng kober
      good perspective, you can literally always find someone "better" than you, it's a rabbit hole of pointlessness. especially in tech...
      Dec 11, 2017
    • Amazon / Other xConsultnt
      You know what sucks? Being in a role where you see the salaries and know that people on here aren't lying.
      Dec 11, 2017
    • JetBlue anonymust
      OP
      Congratulations!
      Dec 13, 2017
  • Ericsson / Sales blwa666
    The numbers on blind are skewed towards SW development. Even in tech, not everyone is making a boatload.
    Dec 10, 2017 0
  • Amazon / Eng tr0l0l0l0l
    Stop being poor and having poor friends. Problem solved.
    Dec 11, 2017 3
    • Microsoft SandyBeach
      There's that bezos bro talk
      Dec 11, 2017
    • JetBlue anonymust
      OP
      I bet you're great at keg stands!
      Dec 13, 2017
    • Amazon / Eng tr0l0l0l0l
      Sounds like you're jealous bro
      Dec 13, 2017
  • Microsoft SIGKILL99
    I don't know why they ever let the peasants on here in the first place
    Dec 11, 2017 6
    • JetBlue / Eng anonymust
      OP
      Or companies with world renowned awful products
      Dec 11, 2017
    • BroadSoft payload
      This guys definitely enjoys sucking his own dick. Enjoy 👍🏼👍🏼
      Dec 11, 2017
    • Amazon / Product Gucci Gang
      @OP you work in the airline industry and you want to come for Microsoft? I really don’t care for Microsoft that much but at least a Windows PC never offered me peanuts only on a 6 hour flight while charging me $25 for the luxury of possibly having my luggage arrive at my destination in time.
      Dec 12, 2017
    • Microsoft SIGKILL99
      Microsoft is a shit ass company and I'm a hired gun who no longer cares about the subpar people around me.
      Dec 13, 2017
    • JetBlue anonymust
      OP
      @Gucci The airline industry is actually negatively profitable on the whole over its entire existence. We offer peanuts because competition is fierce, costs are insanely high, and the average customer is unwilling to pay more than the minimum they can. If the average customer was willing to pay more, we're all be better off, but they're not so that's all we can offer while maintaining a marginal profitability! Also, air travel back in "the good old days" was very expensive at the time while costs were cheaper. Competitively, airline travel today is much cheaper than it's ever been (inflation adjusted) despite costs getting higher and higher.

      Global airline profit margin in 2017 is expected to be only 4.1%, and that's considered strong!

      On the bright side, consolidation of the industry over the past few years is predicted to lead to some efficiency gains and you should see some service/amenity improvements in the next few years as a result.
      Dec 13, 2017
  • Twitch ggtw
    The TC comps are high but so is the cost of living. My TC is $145k base, 35k bonus, $130k RSUs, but I won't be able to buy a house in the Bay Area where $1.3M is the starting bid. I imagine NYC isn't far off so maybe you're getting a raw deal, but usually when people are shocked at the comps they aren't realizing that monthly living bills are much higher.
    Dec 10, 2017 12
    • LinkedIn WWMl23
      The you should say in sf not Bay Area. Also check out Ingleside, Crocker Amazon, dog patch, the starting bid is def not 1.3m.
      Dec 12, 2017
    • Yahoo Blam
      1.3m is accurate for somewhere halfway decent with good schools. Living out here is a ducking joke.
      Dec 12, 2017
    • Apple / Eng IbVh04
      November 2017 median home price:
      San Francisco County $1.59M,
      San Mateo County $1.52M,
      Santa Clara County $1.24M,
      Alameda County $0.86M.
      $1.3M is not inaccurate describing Bay Area houses.
      Dec 12, 2017
    • Salesforce
      Wpkf74

      Salesforce

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      Wpkf74more
      I commute from east bay on bart. It’s really not that bad, get time to read or Netflix. Bought a 4br, 2ba, 1800sqft house on a nearly 10k lot for 515 2.5 years ago. Worth about 650 right now.
      Dec 12, 2017
    • Teradata BRIJ78
      @ggtw $130k RSUs per year ?
      Mar 28, 2018
  • Google / Eng
    actim

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    actimmore
    That's good, means Blind is doing its job in bringing more transparency and hence decreasing information assymmetry!
    Dec 12, 2017 1
    • JetBlue anonymust
      OP
      And some people still seem to be treating it like a competition.

      We should all be in this together! The more transparency the better!
      Dec 12, 2017
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    • Uber / Eng
      Rqwx5o

      Uber Eng

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      Rqwx5omore
      You realize you can start your own company and bill the same clients $300 instead of $350 except you'll be pocketing all of it
      Dec 11, 2017
    • Amazon / Product Gucci Gang
      I remember when I thought KPMG folks got PAID because the idea of making $80k/year was unimaginable to a kid whose parents made $45k/year COMBINED.

      Now if anyone ever offers me less than 6 figures they would get laughed at.

      Funny how that happened.
      Dec 12, 2017
    • Amazon / Other xConsultnt
      @Gucci Gang, I mean $250K is the new "Six Figures" right?
      Dec 12, 2017
    • Amazon / Other xConsultnt
      @users_824, yet another reason to go to tech, no more doing business development, no more firm initiatives, no more networking, just do you job
      Dec 12, 2017
    • Capgemini Group / Mgmt ufO42
      Run!!!
      Dec 13, 2017
  • Amazon
    frank,

    Amazon

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    frank,more
    This is the other side of using Blind. I highly recommend not to use Blind if someone's TC <= 150k

    This platform's data are heavily skewed... I brought some of my friends to Blind (When I was also new) and they are not from FAANG, their life changed forever in some way... they became hopeless, sad and frustrated... they started blaming themselves for not making money like others.. while they are somehow responsible for that.. but it doesn't have to be this way...

    Don't believe everything you see on Blind
    Dec 11, 2017 3
    • JetBlue / Eng anonymust
      OP
      Which is why there really needs to be more companies and discussion outside of tech.

      It's a big business world out there
      Dec 11, 2017
    • The Trade Desk BWKa68
      If they don't live in the Bay Area they are still probably ahead.
      Dec 11, 2017
    • Square ruby
      My TC is over 200k$ and I don't see a house in my near future...
      Dec 12, 2017
  • Microsoft SandyBeach
    Do you have a CS degree? I though most folk at places like JetBlue do IT work and have an MIS or CIT degree.
    Dec 10, 2017 4
    • JetBlue / Eng anonymust
      OP
      CS minor. Definitely a company heavy on IT, but as others have mentioned, it's treated like a cost center and can't compete with most tech companies. In particular, JetBlue's cost structure limits salaries. It's well known most pay is below market value. They claim the flight benefits make up for it, but that's a stretch.

      I think the importance of tech in the airline industry is growing rapidly as a means of enhancing customer experience and increasing revenue through better segmentation, and attitudes at the top are finally changing. I think the industry is going to invest heavily in technology over the next decade and companies will behave more like tech companies going forward.
      Dec 10, 2017
    • Microsoft SandyBeach
      Nice makes sense. I hear that's what's been happening at places like Starbucks as well where tech like mobile ordering is taking off.
      Dec 10, 2017
    • United Technologies rohr
      Just want to chime in and say aerospace is also on the cutting edge of early 00's technology.
      Dec 11, 2017
    • JetBlue / Eng anonymust
      OP
      The salt in this thread! 😂
      Dec 11, 2017
  • Airbnb airhole
    If you're willing to take a risk, bust your ass studying for interviews, move to the Bay Area, learn Scala/Ruby/JavaScript/Swift/whatever the new hot shit language is, you could be making $250-300k 6 months from now.
    Dec 11, 2017 1
    • Amazon sub line
      6 months self-training and no professional experience or degree. Yeah, you’re not even going to get an interview.
      Dec 14, 2017
  • There will always be people with less exp than you making more and people with more exp making less than you are. Key is not to let this affect you. Dont compare. Be in your timezone and do your best, prioritize what matters to you. In the end life matters, surely you wont take these $$$ to the grave.
    Dec 12, 2017 1
    • JetBlue anonymust
      OP
      I don't know if I made it clear enough, but although I'm shocked, I'm not jealous (though I've joked about it plenty). I'm very happy in life and with my career and trajectory.

      And although I'm shocked at the compensations here, I'm also very happy to see people sharing this information. Transparency in salaries is a great thing. I now know more about compensation at other companies and industries than I did before and it may be helpful for me I one day!
      Dec 12, 2017
  • Salesforce iEmu37
    If there is anything Blind has taught me, it’s that recruiters have a very, very wide range and their job is to ensure you do not get in the upper limits of it.

    Also, it’s a great snapshot of what extended bull markets look like.

    Just... Wait until we have a recession or a bear market in general. Every 20 something on here thinking it’s all due to their merit, making six figure comps burried in debt, car payments and expensive luxury rentals will panic and a lot of people-even very smart ones, out of work . It happens in cycles.

    Save everything you can folks.
    Dec 13, 2017 2
    • Google morganhill
      Hopefully my 50% savings rate pays off
      Dec 13, 2017
    • Microsoft kukuru
      Agree. OP, this bubble can burst any moment. Get on the wagon while you can :)
      Dec 15, 2017
  • Google xPresUrSel
    Your comp is not bad. Looks like 150k. Even at Google (business non-technical), you need around 5 years of experience to get to that compensation.
    Dec 11, 2017 2
    • Amazon / Other xConsultnt
      Yep this is me too, work on the business side in a half business half technical role. I've looked for similar roles at other companies, but the comp is all 50-75% of my current total comp, so essentially I'm stuck in tech or I have to take a pay cut.
      Dec 11, 2017
    • JetBlue anonymust
      OP
      That's good insight. Thank you.
      Dec 13, 2017
  • Juniper aXWr08
    I feel this way! I thought I was doing okay for myself at 26 (3 yrs work experience) with 105k TC (90k base + 10k bonus + 5k stock). Finance background and Bay Area based. Then I come on here. Man I really chose the wrong major 😂
    Dec 11, 2017 1
    • JetBlue anonymust
      OP
      Finally, someone else!

      Rather than being jealous, I'm actually really happy that Blind exists and people like us now have access to valuable insider information about the world's most powerful tech companies (some of which that are also among the best to work for). The information on here could potentially help many, many people maximize their earning potentials and happiness in the future.

      I hope you see it like that too. I know it can be hard to not be at least a little jealous though!
      Dec 13, 2017
  • Synopsys Xzhdh123
    Most of the folks on blind talk in air ... if u beleive the compensation story ...everyone make 400..500 k easily..but in reality thats only 1..2% of bay area folks not all
    Dec 11, 2017 1
    • Square ruby
      I know an E6 at Facebook with 400k$ TC. We're talking top 5% engs in the top 5% of companies here... Definitely not common.
      Dec 12, 2017
  • Snapchat mw761982
    Non technical people can make bank. I did it in recruiting. Joined a small agency and suffered through a year of poverty but worked with big clients and by the end I was 250k+ a year and actually took a Paycut to come to Snap.

    Sales, marketing, recruiting, doesn’t matter, just be smart and work hard and you can make money in tech.

    If you are a developer and you’re not, you’re just fucking up, in my opinion.
    Dec 11, 2017 2
    • JetBlue / Eng anonymust
      OP
      Salty!
      Dec 11, 2017
    • Snapchat mw761982
      I’m more saying that to empower. Didn’t mean it to sound harsh. If you’re happy though, who cares.
      Dec 11, 2017
  • Amazon lordbucket
    Just get a 2nd job OP. Those are the hours most of us work anyway.
    Dec 11, 2017 0