Should I Quit Google?

Google qGFx51
Sep 30 300 Comments

Joined Google 8 Month Ago with a PhD (from ivy) to be an ML expert for the team. I have transformed some heuristic based approaches to ML ones in only 5 months, however, the priority of the team has changed and it seems we dont really need an ML person anymore, so most of my time goes for frond-end bug fixing!

I’d like to change to a more ML-based or researchy team, but I feel HMs are not responding positively due to my short tenure @Google.

I’m disappointed and thinking about leaving Google. However, it may be bad for my CV. Anythought would be truely appreciated.

TC :250

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  • Roku cruella
    Chase your passion.
    Or at least chase the TC.
    At the moment you seem to be doing neither.
    Sep 30 6
    • Roku cruella
      Don't waste time doing things that do not further your goals. Life is short. Time is the only thing you can never earn back.
      Sep 30
    • Facebook Pack-Man
      Every company seems a heaven before joining, things like you will be a hero, rockstar. If you work hard and have good knowledge you can reach heights. But after you join, you realize it’s worse than hell with bad work, management politics and damn culture. I am still trying to find the right path after 7+ years of experience 😞
      Oct 1
    • Roku cruella
      Yea. That seems like a common issue for most people unless they r able to carve their own path through the management or tech ladder. There’s no magic wand or magic hand. Sadly.
      Oct 1
    • Oracle / Eng
      kp1857

      Oracle Eng

      PRE
      Microsoft, Amazon, Goldman Sachs
      kp1857more
      I have worked in Goldman Sachs , Oracle , Microsoft and Amazon..so far Microsoft was my best experience but there are phases in every organisation
      Oct 1
    • Roku cruella
      Can u elaborate how, please? I am v interested in this piece of info
      Oct 4
  • Booking.com
    Баба Яга

    Booking.com

    BIO
    🤬🤪🥴🥺🤫😜🤦‍♂️
    Баба Ягаmore
    Stay for a few more months until you have accumulated a year of work experience
    Sep 30 5
    • Homeaway atxhx
      This. Leaving in less than a year has the potential to raise red flags. Leaving after a year is less likely to.
      Sep 30
    • Google uzaname
      Plus it will give you an opportunity to look more seriously into internal transfer. Also, many jobs are opened in New Year after annual planning (both internally and externally).
      Sep 30
    • Google xrfn74
      Why not transfer now/EOY? If they have domain expertise I wouldn’t think the 1 year rule matters, unless the manager is rude and blocks them.
      Oct 1
    • Amazon / Eng bismillah
      I agree on looking for more internal job opportunity but pls be away from suggestions like red flag if u leave within an year. Software in west coast is more on transactional u deliver and grow. Company or hm who considers this as a red flag are themselves a red flag to work with
      Oct 1
    • Google tworecords
      I wouldn't want to take someone in either if all the want to do is solve cool tech problems. We have real users and real problems to solve. Sometimes they are UI issues, other times they are back end or ML. That's engineering for you. Plus, every manager wants a team player. It's difficult to manage a team of individuals who all feel like they deserve the cool project and are being difficult. That's just not real software engineering. Learn to become a better team player.
      Oct 2
  • >PhD
    >Google
    >250K

    Choose 2
    Sep 30 28
    • Facebook $$$Talks
      @asjw perhaps I don’t work at fb anymore
      Oct 2
    • Microsoft seatli
      Nice reply @$$&talks. How was the interview process compared to Facebook? Are they only interested in top school grad Americans like Wall St?
      Oct 2
    • Google not-found
      What are the good fin tech companies in bay area?

      - Working at Google for >1 year
      - Worked at DE Shaw (hedge fund) for 5 years before that

      I am not happy with the quality of work at Google. I switched team after 8 months already. I am sure there are teams where people are doing great work here - but I have started to feel lost here. I dont think I am learning enough , solving hard problems.

      I am considering going back to fintech - but I dont know which companies to look out for :
      1) Which company (and teams within them) are doing great work.
      2) Who will pay comparable to Google.
      Oct 13
    • Alibaba Group / HR
      asjw

      Alibaba Group HR

      BIO
      Why should anyone put a bio on blind? Who is your product guy?
      asjwmore
      @not-found, are you saying that DE Shaw doesn't pay as well as Google? BTW, what's your level in Google?
      Oct 13
    • Google xrfn74
      Fin tech meaning products like stripe or finance like DE Shaw? Sometimes product doesn’t have hard problems like in finance (like hedge funds, HFT). Maybe you’d be more comfortable in research or on non product (infra, systems optimization).
      Oct 16
  • Northrop Grumman HowCouldYu
    Why do you like ML so much, shit is boring af
    Sep 30 6
    • Dropbox topbox
      Frontend is clearly more boring
      Oct 1
    • Amazon vriP37
      Yeah agree with OP.
      Oct 1
    • Accenture / Consultant dzxxx
      You are out of your mind if you think front end is more stimulating/interesting than advanced analytics
      Oct 1
    • Travelport / Eng buttnpushr
      They're not too far off from each other as far as being boring goes
      Oct 1
    • Chase / Eng (๑•﹏•)
      Front end sucks
      Oct 1
  • Google noogley
    You're giving up because you haven't done any ML work for last 3 months?

    There are a ton of ML teams at Google that do really interesting work. You aren't in one of them. Wait out another quarter, join a different team once you're eligible to do so. It seems you have not found an external opportunity that gives you Interesting ML work that you can immediately choose to switch to.

    The following might seem harsh, but very few people have hinted this so far:
    From an internal Google hiring manager point of view, you seem like a person who'll give up as soon as things get tough, or as soon as work is not up to your standards. PhD is not a requirement for ML roles at Google, nor is a PhD hire guaranteed to be only doing research 100% of the time once they join Google.
    Externally, market is hot and people don't mind hiring a Googler with 8 months experience.
    Oct 1 10
    • Amazon ❗️🌭
      100% agreed with badonka.
      Oct 2
    • Two Sigma XJhI36
      Agree with badonka, but also understandable. Just like Stanford kids are sad when they found their colleagues are from SJSU, which is equally naive but understandable.
      Oct 2
    • Amazon aJaw23
      You never understand what OP is thinking of until you get a PhD. Similar thoughts from my end here.
      Oct 2
    • New fywe64
      I can understand the frustration of coming out of a PhD and facing the reality of some orgs, my question was moreso why OP wasn't aware of this prior. I mean I've met sophomore BSc kids who already had a grasp of this. I think everyone pursuing doctorates should be aware of how little intellectual m********ion there actually is in the industry.
      Oct 2
    • Boeing ttahee
      Everyone at google is so fucking quick to issue their diagnosis on a person's personality with very little information. You deduced all that bullshit from one forum post? This is a great example of someone on an ego trip.
      Oct 2
  • Amazon / Eng booyou
    Find an opportunity inside Google. I bet they have a lot of exciting ML work. Don't approach the managers looking for a change, instead try to find teams which are doing the kind of work you are interested in. Get coffee with them, discuss your passion and your ideas relevant to their team, then they'll come running for you.

    Good luck. That's a good TC for a new industry hire so I would stay and find the dream team.
    Oct 1 6
    • Google / Mgmt
      Ex Amazon

      Google Mgmt

      PRE
      Amazon
      Ex Amazonmore
      This. Quite frankly, a year in and I am shocked at the lack of interesting problems to solve.
      Oct 1
    • KeepTruckin aAQi33
      What do you mean by TC? Terms and conditions?
      Oct 1
    • Amazon / Eng booyou
      Lol total compensation
      Oct 1
    • KeepTruckin aAQi33
      Hahaha. My bad. Thanks.
      Oct 1
    • Google / Eng imnotme69
      Blind n00bie
      Oct 1
  • Salesforce QURe20
    Off the topic, I’m a general SWE. Is it possible to get a job in finance sector?
    Sep 30 9
    • LinkedIn ugsebkidv
      Sautéed mushrooms can be yummy
      Oct 1
    • Booz Allen Hamilton hackyhack
      Tomato is perfect
      Oct 1
    • Grab miHA81
      My mom says I can travel to Canada when they ban mushrooms.
      Oct 1
    • Amazon booobkjj
      Pineapples on pizza
      Oct 1
    • American Express erlbachman
      Some hot peppers are great in a grilled cheese
      Oct 2
  • Google ptnI54
    Outsiders don’t know shit. Don’t listen to them, Op. There are lots of ML teams/projects here. Try to transfer to another team. I agree front-end is shit work that even some secondary school students can do better. Don’t bury your career with it.
    Oct 1 4
    • Bloomberg LOL<GO>
      What front end ? Google doesn’t have much UI , isn’t it ?
      Oct 1
    • Cruise Automation YCmd57
      Is this English?
      Oct 1
    • Google / Eng xmastime
      Lmao @ “front end is shit work” get your head out of your ass mate
      Oct 1
    • New sdk0
      ptnl54 is right. Move internally. The TC for a new Googler is fine. Plus this might be your first job out of a life spent in academia? You might be experiencing affects of organizational pivots (or reorgs) that you’ll get accustomed to, you don’t need to worry as long as you keep your personal career goals clear enough to guide you through this. If ML is what you do, maybe something more specific that you’re passionate about, then don’t let your record get smudged by silly FE work. Good luck 🍀
      Oct 1
  • AT&T MsdR32
    Start looking for new teams at Google right now. Normally people are supposed to wait 1 year before switching to a different team, but your pretty close and it will take you some time to find a team. If that doesn't work out, then consider jumping.

    I don't think there's a reason to go through the hassle without at least 1 more try.
    Sep 30 0
  • Amazon / Eng hmmm..
    I too joined google recently from Amazon.

    I kind of have to say i am not feeling happy about my decision. At Amazon i was team lead, here i feel like i am just another IC fixing bugs.

    I joined google for better TC now i am not sure if its worth when you feel undervalued.

    TC 280k
    Oct 1 9
    • Booz Allen Hamilton hackyhack
      How much did your TC increase?
      Oct 1
    • Amazon / Eng hmmm..
      5 yoe

      TC jumped by 40%
      Oct 1
    • Google / Mgmt
      Ex Amazon

      Google Mgmt

      PRE
      Amazon
      Ex Amazonmore
      Welcome. But I hear you. Severe underutilization of resources, including human is my experience here as well.
      Oct 1
    • Booz Allen Hamilton hackyhack
      40% is a big jump. I’d say enjoy making the money you’re making. If money isn’t important, quit and start your own company or work for a startup that will use your expertise
      Oct 2
    • Booz Allen Hamilton hackyhack
      What are the cultural differences you’ve experienced between Amazon and Google? I’ve heard mixed reviews about Amazon - more so with overworking its employees. Did you leave behind a bunch of RSUs when you switched? Google may culturally be more of a fit — something to think about it.
      Oct 2
  • Google / R&D misko
    Sheesh 8 months... So impatient. Learn a lesson: don't use haste. Take your time to find another role you're more likely to enjoy and then take steps to change roles. There's no rush, this little bit of unpleasantness won't define you in the long run. If my own path is any indication, you're more likely than not to have much more long lasting difficult periods in the future (changing jobs at some point can take 6+ months of discussions, it's not a one day interview thing anymore). Noone is a perfect fit in a large company, it's pretty darn rare anyone's completely happy. Your life is likely to always involve at least some compromise. Relax and start taking steps to put yourself in a better role, all that sounds like to me is you're not where your should be but it's no major drama to quit over, talk to someone.
    Oct 1 1
    • Microsoft oshtwaddup
      Interesting you're calling someone who spent several years to get a PhD impatient. If you actually read their post, they've been relegated to front end bug fixing, which is not what they were hired for. It's not impatience if you went into a job with an expectation on what you'd be working on, then get blindsided by different team focus / work.
      Oct 2
  • Amazon qazwsxedc1
    What kind of ml does google even do ? Probably their ads team has some nice bandit work . The rest just seems like deep learning which is not fun . Unless you want to do research , which would be deepmind
    Sep 30 4
    • Amazon / Eng peakyb1ind
      Heard that deepmind is in a soup. Is it really true?
      Sep 30
    • Amazon qazwsxedc1
      I don’t know . I don’t work there
      Oct 1
    • New / Eng
      xoogler420

      New Eng

      PRE
      Google
      xoogler420more
      running borg jobs to optimized hyperparameters

      that's pretty much ML at google.

      apparently you need a phd to write python scripts for some reason.
      Oct 1
    • Nintendo hvccvb
      Amazon answers from amazon lol.
      Oct 1
  • Google blindv
    Change teams. No need to leave Google. There are plenty of teams doing ML and you should be able to find a match.
    Oct 1 0
  • Google Extern
    I work in Cloud AI and my team is amazing. Everyone on my team has either a Master's or PhD and it doesn't seem like we'll be shifting focus away from ML driven approaches. We also occasionally publish papers if we find something worth publishing. There are probably teams like mine out there, you just have to find them. My advice is to find a team to move to and not leave Google within a year.
    Oct 1 6
    • Google / Mgmt
      Ex Amazon

      Google Mgmt

      PRE
      Amazon
      Ex Amazonmore
      Likewise please.
      Oct 1
    • Google OAoK43
      Avoid Cloud AI. Terrible management and lack of diversity!!!!
      Oct 1
    • Google Extern
      Lol, literally everyone on my team (about 5 - 10 people) is from a different country - India, China, Lebanon, Turkey, etc. Sorry you've heard bad things about us but not every Cloud AI team is terrible. In fact, everyone on my team, including myself, love our manager.
      Oct 1
    • Google / Mgmt
      Ex Amazon

      Google Mgmt

      PRE
      Amazon
      Ex Amazonmore
      I give two hoots about diversity. I want to do interesting work.
      Oct 1
    • Chase
      init 1

      Chase

      PRE
      Neuberger Berman
      init 1more
      The fact that someone’s commenting about sacrificing quality experiments and conclusions for the sake of diversity is nauseating. If they make amazing developments, what does it matter what ethnicity or nationality the team members are? Grow up.
      Oct 2
  • Uber foolius
    Suck it up and stay. Join an open source ML project to get your rocks off in the meantime
    Oct 1 3
    • OceanX / Eng O(1*1)
      Is it ok to contribute to opensource while you on Google office, using their computer and internet and not informing them??
      Oct 1
    • Probably not. I'm guessing he means in OP's free time
      Oct 1
    • Google onetechguy
      Yes do 20% easy
      Oct 2
  • Reddit SnooDogg
    (Xoogler) If your team is no longer doing ML work and doesn't plan on doing any in the near future AND you're dead set on ML work, then you need to change teams.

    Start reaching out to hiring managers with open ML positions and just politely explain your situation. If your credentials and work are as great as you think, then you shouldn't have a problem with the early move problem.

    If your credentials aren't as great or if they aren't any open ML HC, then yes, go find a position outside of Google. (Or if you like the perks, suck it up and keep an eye out as new positions open).

    None of this is unique to PhD work or ML positions. This happens to everyone at some point or another.
    Oct 1 2
    • SAP / IT JohnBlack
      Well said
      Oct 2
    • Google Cvdk70
      I had a friend in this situation (PhD too) - he was getting nowhere in his hunt. Initially existing manager and HR played policy BS with him (tenure) - he was ready to leave the company and point blank said this to his manager. After this utterance, his manager and HR had a magical change of heart and fully supported his team change mission.
      Oct 2
  • Deloitte / Product
    V.Y

    Deloitte Product

    BIO
    Hi There! How can I help?
    V.Ymore
    Just email Sundar or TK
    Sep 30 1
    • New xOzg32
      Shįt, just became his asst.
      Oct 20
  • Uber / Eng
    tech10

    Uber Eng

    PRE
    Google
    tech10more
    TL;DR
    didn’t read... but yes just quit...
    Oct 1 3
    • Roku cruella
      Op joined with hopes of star level research. Ended up doing front end dev.
      Oct 1
    • Zoox / Eng streetfood
      😄
      Oct 1
    • Juniper Pliny Jr
      OP thinks he's a super star just because he has a PhD from Cornell Hotel program.

      If I was your boss OP, I'd relegate you bathroom duty to research scat sizes. 😤
      Oct 1
  • MassMutual / Eng
    NkOS62

    MassMutual Eng

    BIO
    Lead Software Engineer
    NkOS62more
    Talk to your skip level about feeling underutilized.

    You don't mind the work you're doing, but you feel you aren't bringing enough value to the company with the work you're doing. Maybe reassign you to a more appropriate project where you can give 110% instead working using 1% of your capabilities.

    [Calling out your manager for being a dumbass without saying they're a dumbass. Btw. Your manager is a dumbass.]

    If you don't have a skip level set one up.
    Oct 1 1
    • KeepTruckin aAQi33
      That's exactly what I did in a previous role and skip level assigned me to an appropriate project.
      Oct 1
  • LinkedIn adamabdu
    Google is boring for ML..I interviewed with them and left uninspired. Very few teams doing good work. Though I have offer, I am joining other place which are more interesting.
    Sep 30 2

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