Should I join Amazon?

Microsoft GLxg56
Jun 16 25 Comments

Should I join Amazon India for 25% hike?
I am really worried about the work culture, instability at job and job security.
I am not a thick skinned person.
I find myself mentally not very strong, I get stressed out a lot over little things.
Given all my shortcomings should I still take the risk of joining Amazon.
What do you people recommend?

YOE: 8
Level:62
Level offered : L5
Current TC: 36 LPA
Location: India

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  • Google rafaNadal
    Short answer : no

    I’d like to know why you want to make the switch though (unless I know your motivations I can’t suggest anything concrete)

    Long answer:

    First of all, arrange to talk to the engineers in the team. Most managers at Amazon will allow this. Get an honest feedback about the team, the operational load, working hours etc. If you're not satisfied, don't join. If you're extremely satisfied, go ahead. I still think it's better to turn it down mostly because of the following points:

    1. 25% is a good pay bump, but there are other companies in Hyderabad that will pay you more and give you a Senior role if you're already at Microsoft. For example, Indeed would give you a senior role and can easily give you a 35-50% pay bump over your current pay. It also has a great work culture from what I hear. You can try Apple, Uber, Salesforce, DE Shaw which might take you at a similar level but give you 30-45% pay hikes with better WLB

    2. Once you join Amazon at L5, you are basically starting over again as SDE2. It is hard, and has a lot of competition in India to make it to Senior. In Microsoft since you are already at 62, I think it's better you try to get to 63 and negotiate offers at a higher level outside.

    3. Amazon has a concept of TCT (refer: https://www.teamblind.com/article/How-refreshers”-work-at-Amazon-pVJmPiL4) - which essentially states that unless you get a promotion, your compensation will remain the same for 4 years and then it will drop. On the contrary, there's a good pay hike when you become L63 at Microsoft, your target performance bonus becomes 15% (0-30% of base is the range), your refreshers also increase from 0-19000$ at L62, to I think 0-32000$ at L63 (I'm not sure of the L63 number, but it's at least this much)

    4. You can also try other teams at Microsoft, like Azure, which have good work. If you have issues about WLB, not mentally strong etc. then Amazon is not the place for you. I was in your place a few years ago, except it was a 50% hike for me and I was L61 at Microsoft. I spoke to a friend who's a senior manager at Amazon, and I had same concerns as yours concerning WLB because I had a girlfriend and some hobbies and I didn't want to sacrifice them. He said one thing that made a lot of sense -
    "Amazon has a very polarizing culture. You either feel extremely at home there, or you will hate it. And your gut tells you usually which of those two things you belong to". That helped me make up my mind and turn down their offer.

    Keep an open mind, there are lots of good companies out there where you can learn, have a life outside of work and don't have to give up on mental peace :)

    Hope this helps. Sorry for the extremely long post!
    Jun 16 4
    • Microsoft GLxg56
      OP
      Not liking the work quality in MS, want to grow my technical skills.
      Jun 16
    • Google rafaNadal
      Posted an updated long reply as promised!
      Jun 16
    • Microsoft GLxg56
      OP
      Thank you, it's really helpful
      Jun 16
    • Uber / Eng
      observed

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      observedmore
      This should be sent to all Amazon new hires!
      Jun 17
  • Microsoft
    dolt

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    Short answer: no.

    Long answer: noooooooooooooooooooo.
    Jun 16 0
  • Amazon ChivalryAF
    Amazon is the worst company I’ve worked for in my life. It’s the first time I had to get on antidepressants for the sake of a job.

    Do not join this company.
    Jun 16 0
  • Amazon / Eng AMZNMusic
    IDK man, my experience here has never involved any “fighting” or hostility like the folks on Blind make it to be. Amazon is a large company with all sorts of people and teams. Just remember that Blind seems to attract people who have bad things to complain about (or get advice about) from their companies.
    Jun 16 0
  • Amazon / Eng
    227ida

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    You don't need to worry at all if you are in general sincere, hard working and honest. Everyone has strengths and weaknesses, it is another type of diversity every team should have. You can always combat people with data. If you keep a journal and keep lot of data about things you do everyday. You will be more equipped to deal with all situations. I don't think not being thick skinned should be a reason to not join Amazon.
    Jun 16 1
    • New
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      Papa Roachmore
      "You can always combat people with data. If you keep a journal and keep lot of data about things you do everyday."
      Sounds like preparation for war zone. Do you focus on work or just focus on winning debates?
      Jun 16
  • Microsoft Amasoftie
    No
    Jun 16 0
  • Google / Eng blahhalb
    No. 25% hike not that much considering it is India. If you are not thick skinned then amazon is not for you. atleast amazon Seattle has one of the most rude and self centered managers and devs. People will steal credit for your work. It's not a good place to work for and remember if they are giving you 25% hike they will make you work > 25% more time.

    I don't know how are the perks in India but in US amazon provides zero perks so when you compare to CTC then MS wins hands down when with 25% hike.
    Jun 16 1
    • Google / Eng blahhalb
      Btw amazon is not considered a preferred employer by MS students in US. They join amazon if they don't have offer from other big companies.

      Disclaimer: worked in amazon for 3 years.
      Jun 16
  • Oracle not_larry
    Level at Microsoft?
    Jun 16 5
    • Microsoft GLxg56
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      Updated
      Jun 16
    • Microsoft GLxg56
      OP
      62
      Jun 16
    • Oracle not_larry
      No then. Wait for couple of years get to 63-64 and then switch.
      Jun 16
    • Microsoft GLxg56
      OP
      Why? Won't it be more difficult to leave Microsoft then at higher level?
      Jun 16
    • Oracle not_larry
      It’s a lateral move now. Also you don’t seem confident about the move. Grow more where you are now and move to a senior role somewhere else.
      Jun 16
  • Oracle OlJs40
    What does level: 62 mean? it sounds like a world of warcraft level.
    Jun 16 1
    • Activision Blizzard 86753on
      Levels.fyi
      Jun 16
  • Activision Blizzard 86753on
    There is a reason Amazon’s average tenure is like less than a year (in the US at least)

    Nothing about it sounds pleasant or stress-free
    Jun 16 2
    • Amazon / Eng AMZNMusic
      Where’s the source on that? I work with people who have been with the company for years. I know more than 1 person who has been here over a decade.
      Jun 16
    • Activision Blizzard 86753on
      It is a widely quoted stat in news articles, and mentioned to me by an ex-amzn director.
      Jun 17
  • Amazon / Eng
    227ida

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    227idamore
    Try again and join as an L6.
    Jun 16 0