Should I take Amazon offer?

Microsoft sxUa64
May 25, 2018 53 Comments

Got an offer from aws. Interviewed for l5 but got l4 offer. Almost 3 years under azure, current l60, expect to be promoted to l61 in sep. TC can be higher than my current one. If it's l5, I will take it. But it's l4. Should I take it?

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  • Amazon SuaveNews
    I’ve seen people with 5+ years experience take L4. What makes you so special?
    May 25, 2018 7
    • Amazon max9chars
      The scope of work at L4 is limited. So limited learning, limited growth (as an engineer, not talking about titles here). Basically, OP has to reset his career trajectory by a few years to earn a little bit more money. Why shouldn't he wait and learn at MS and try again in some time for L5? He also stands to make more money that way. L5 external hires are paid more than promoted L4s.
      MS is not a lemonade stand btw, and we are talking about 2 entry level positions, not the C-suite.
      May 25, 2018
    • Amazon SuaveNews
      I’m sorry you feel that way about L4 but L5 is also entry level if you have a graduate degree. The OP has to reset his career if he moves into any other company at these levels regardless unless he already built trust in new org. If he can get promoted within 1 year to the next level at MS then sure he should stay but I don’t see why this matters since he didn’t meet the L5 bar. The offer probably wasn’t taking into consideration his current level or comp anyway so he could very well be offered L4 again after his MS promotion. He can try to meet the L5 bar after promotion and fail again or he can take L4 and build up to L5. Honestly promotions aren’t hard here. By the way, I’m clearly using hyperbole to make a point earlier...
      May 25, 2018
    • Amazon Karen Ops
      L4 can do everything L5 can. No one will hold him back. The delivery expectation are lower for L4
      May 26, 2018
    • Microsoft KyJeLlY
      Ahh so your bitterness stems from "L5 is also entry level if you have a graduate degree." Someone without a graduate degree couldn't possibly come in as L5... That's just not fair! /s
      May 29, 2018
    • Amazon SuaveNews
      Uh no I’m not saying that at all. He just needs to meet the L5 bar. Three years of experience shouldn’t come with literal “entitlement” given he is still getting a raise.
      May 29, 2018
  • Amazon 👋🏾 hi
    I would suggest get to L61 if you’re close, that maps to amazon sde2. Interview again for higher level, and much higher comp.
    May 25, 2018 5
    • Microsoft sxUa64
      OP
      Yeah that's what I think if I can't get l5 offer
      May 25, 2018
    • Amazon DezD15
      Move to amazon and get promoted within 6 months
      May 25, 2018
    • Amazon 👋🏾 hi
      Can’t take that chance, it takes about 1.5yrs
      May 25, 2018
    • Amazon SMYu17
      Interviewing for l5 is hard, doesn't matter if he gets promoted. I'd say interview for another company if u care about comp.
      May 26, 2018
    • Amazon Karen Ops
      He got L4 and not L5 not because of his current position at Microsoft but because he did poorly at the interview.
      May 26, 2018
  • Amazon UUaT37cd
    Never ever downgrade your position until and unless there is a compelling reason.. based on your comment, it seems you don't have any good reason.. besides just higher pay...

    A company (not Amazon) once offered me new grade, associate position after having 3+ years of relevant industry experience.. my interviews went exceptionally well.... I rejected their offer... few days later, HR came back with an offer with one level higher title.... that was the right position title as I just had 3 years of experience.. but I was still pissed off on them, so rejected their offer again.... To my surprise, HR came back with an offer with senior software engineer title.... This is how they play games.. might not happen to you.. but shared just to give you an idea...
    May 26, 2018 5
    • Amazon SuaveNews
      It’s the same level though not a downgrade...
      May 26, 2018
    • Amazon UUaT37cd
      OP has 3 years of experience.. a new grade joining Amazon 3 years ago would have definitely be at L5.. hence I believe HR is downgrading the OP..
      May 26, 2018
    • Amazon SuaveNews
      I’m talking about his current level at Microsoft, which is I60 and maps to an above average L4 at Amazon. Microsoft has a slower promotion track than Amazon so it’s not comparable by just years of experience. It’s not a downgrade and he is going to a strong brand, AWS, for higher than current TC.
      May 26, 2018
    • Microsoft ryML78
      Experience shouldn't have any bearing....if you know your shit then you get a good position....if you're a dumb shit then you don't.

      All this entitlement talk around years of experience is silly talk.
      May 27, 2018
    • Amazon SuaveNews
      Experience shouldn’t have any bearing? Most people know experience is highly correlated with ability to get things done. You can be the smartest guy in the room but still make the same mistakes everyone does starting out a new role. Experience is supposed to course correct you when shit happens because you’ve been through it before. Knowing your shit gets you through the day to day but experience takes care of you when shit happens. So I disagree with you.
      May 27, 2018
  • Microsoft sxUa64
    OP
    Not so many people do that. 5 years? You kidding
    May 25, 2018 3
    • Amazon SuaveNews
      It’s all about your best alternative.
      May 25, 2018
    • Microsoft sxUa64
      OP
      I don't mind if I stay.
      May 25, 2018
    • Amazon SuaveNews
      Great, tell that to the recruiter.
      May 25, 2018
  • Microsoft RanknFile
    Get to L61 and then try for L5 next year
    May 25, 2018 0
  • Amazon max9chars
    Don't come at L4. It's a hard reset, especially in AWS.
    May 25, 2018 0
  • If you think you will get promoted in September, it's a no-brainer. Get promoted and come back as L5. It can easily take more than a year (or two if you are unlucky) to get to L5 in Amazon.
    May 26, 2018 3
    • Citrix Systems / Eng
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      Wow. Does it really take 2 years? How about people getting promoted in 6 months
      May 26, 2018
    • Can happen if you are really good and lucky. Do you want to take the chance or do you want to join as an L5?
      May 26, 2018
    • Amazon Pen Island
      If you are seriously down leveled and you are a flight risk and you are critical to the team then maybe.

      I haven't seen anyone promoted that soon.
      May 26, 2018
  • Amazon Yoloyolo99
    L4 is treated shit here
    May 25, 2018 0
  • Microsoft Blandmama
    Depends on if you have a family. My manager told me I had to choose my family or my job. She laid me off a week later. Lol. I’m a single mom with two kids..
    May 26, 2018 8
    • Amazon Pen Island
      Sorry to hear that too
      May 26, 2018
    • Amazon UUaT37cd
      Sorry to hear that.. hope no one gets such manager..
      May 26, 2018
    • Microsoft qQza72
      Douche bag manager
      May 26, 2018
    • Microsoft Blandmama
      Yes she was
      May 27, 2018
    • Microsoft ryML78
      Sue her
      May 27, 2018
  • Amazon Muffin Man
    Don't, it is hard to be promoted. If you are close to promotion in MS stay.
    May 25, 2018 0
  • Amazon Yoloyolo99
    Don’t please don’t.
    May 25, 2018 0
  • Amazon JIdt44
    My guess is if you stay around for another year, next time you will be offered Lv5.
    May 25, 2018 0
  • ForeSee 2bFANGr
    Same thing happened to me. A month goes by, they couldn't find a l4 role for me. So I never got an actual offer.
    May 25, 2018 3
    • Microsoft sxUa64
      OP
      Did you interview for l5 or l4?
      May 25, 2018
    • ForeSee 2bFANGr
      I interviewed for l5, got verbal offer for l4.
      May 25, 2018
    • ForeSee 2bFANGr
      I also have 8 yrs of exp (only 3 yrs in USA tho). I was considering to take it since my current company is sucks and I underpaid, but they said they couldn't find anything for me at the moment. But now I think it's even better, I will better keep interviewing and maybe try Amazon later again.
      May 25, 2018
  • GE blind@
    Are you learning anything new at your current role ?
    May 25, 2018 1
    • Microsoft Yc442
      Learning new things for what? Unless you use it in a big way in next two years, learning is useless. Think about what you learned two years ago and think of it helped building you a million dollar startup. If it didn't, learning was a waste. That's why one should never focus on learning new things which looking for a role. It's a kool-aid to make yourself feel better.
      May 26, 2018
  • Microsoft kVyb65
    How have you not got l61 in 3 years, curious?
    May 26, 2018 0
  • Juniper BSDK_MC
    What was the TC offered?
    May 26, 2018 0
  • Amazon Messytime
    Come in as SDE II when you get to L61 and reinterview.
    May 25, 2018 0
  • Microsoft sxUa64
    OP
    I can learn new things currently. But not satisfied with compensation.
    May 25, 2018 0

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