Compensation

Should I work for Uber or Pinterest?

Jun 6

I have an offer from Uber for Software Engineer II, 147k base + 13k target cash bonus + 52k target refresher RSU + 240k RSU over the usual 4 year vesting schedule schedule.

Do those numbers seem ok?

I’m expecting an offer from Pinterest as well in the coming days. Better or worse place to work than Uber?

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  • Microsoft / Eng
    wisz46

    MicrosoftEng

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    wisz46more
    Uber is hell to work for, for the most part
    Jun 610
    • And Msft is what exactly? You people are in the lobby hat in hand every week
      Jun 6
    • Microsoft / Eng
      wisz46

      MicrosoftEng

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      wisz46more
      A place where you can bitch about work as much as the next guy, but have a life while doing it
      Jun 6
    • Uber / EngshANq80
      👌I got it. You hate it, 46. Next time, pls offer more context to OP about your ans ok?
      Jun 7
    • UberXQXB30
      That's fun – I sit near a few ex-msft employees who sing the opposite tune. Supposedly they much prefer Uber to msft.
      Jun 7
    • “Is a hell to work for”

      Says a guy who’s never worked at Uber
      Jun 7
    • UberYtst
      Please try harder on your next Uber interview.
      Jun 7
    • Uber / Engnkidwt
      I love it at Uber so I have no idea what you’re talking about.
      Jun 7
    • New / Eng
      albion1

      NewEng

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      Oracle, Cisco
      BIO
      I’m political dynamite.
      albion1more
      the bay area: "Uber sucks"
      engineers still working at Uber: ITS PERFECT

      Everytime.
      Jun 9
    • New / Ops
      ODIu56

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      ODIu56more
      All these uber people relentlessly attacking whoever talks shit about their company.....
      Jun 19
    • Uber / EngshANq80
      Do I know you, ODlu56?
      Jun 19
  • Pinterest is over and no clear path to ipo. As far as the offer is concerned.. it’s low. Ask for 150/ 350k
    Jun 612
    • PinterestKshfhyy
      Do you really want to be part of ^ that kind of culture ... lying to boost your tc. Pinterest is doing quite alright thank you
      Jun 6
    • Uber / Other
      Perf-ect

      UberOther

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      Perf-ectmore
      Also, recruiters talk. Your recruiter will know if you are lying, especially on an engineering role.

      Come to Uber. You’re more than welcome here. DM me if you ever want to talk!
      Jun 6
    • I have no intentions of lying to a recruiter. That sounds like a recipe for disaster. I’m happy with the numbers. I just want to know if they’re in line with market value. I’m a mobile engineer with 1-2 years professional experience. Can anyone else comment on the offer specifically?
      Jun 6
    • UberEwhaw
      Don't lie. Just say $x is something I'm comfortable with and I'm prepared to sign an offer letter today. Then say nothing else. No details about a competing offer. No justifications.
      Jun 6
    • Akamai Technologiesbackndmage
      Hey guys!! Sorry, a bit off topic, I’m trying to get on the level with you guys. I have an on-site with Uber Marketplace team next week. How many yoe do you guys have? I’m worried they might judge my system design performance against people with more experience.
      Jun 7
    • They will judge your system design based on your performance and people at the same level of experience
      Jun 7
    • UberEwhaw
      Both companies are planning to go public in 2019. Pinterest has a much lower valuation, so the law of numbers says it in theory can increase in value more. It's business is advertising based and the ad business model is a proven one that can be quite profitable.
      Jun 7
    • What law of numbers is that?
      Jun 7
    • UberEwhaw
      This is common sense.
      Jun 7
    • UberVdYu22
      Common sense is not "law of numbers". In fact it does nothing to explain the thinking.

      In fact, it sounds more like circular logic. The point you're trying to make is that it's an advertisement model and since those have been successful before, it must be worth more.

      Should be worth more > but it has a lower valuation > it should be worth more > repeat until you've convinced yourself that Pinterest is a better investment than Uber.

      OP, if you fall for this type of idiocy, I've got a tiger-repelling rock to sell you.
      Jun 7
  • Uber / EngMgQT10
    Uber is not the easiest company to work for but it's a no-brainer in terms of who will provide a challenging and learning experience. Equity upside is Uber as well - can't see Pinterest stock exploding ever even if they IPO
    Jun 613
    • Square / EngSQ
      Yeah and a company burning 3 billion a year will have a great IPO too.

      Pinterest equity will do just fine if their monetization and international plans keep doing well.
      Jun 7
    • Uber / EngMgQT10
      @SQ - you probably made similar snarky remarks about amzn over the years. You have to take short term losses and invest in growth for long term success. Uber is an integral part of daily lives of people in dozens of countries - there is incredible value in that.
      Jun 7
    • PinterestKRMl47
      Well amazon consistently beat the competition. Uber consistently loses to the competition. If there’s a most people are pole vaulting over it
      Jun 7
    • Square / EngSQ
      @MgQT10 not every company that loses money will pay off in the long run. Good luck though, I'm excited to see if Uber will get to 3.7 billion losses this year.

      Dozens of countries like China? What happened again? Oh Uber lost to competition and had to sell cause they were doing so bad. Is that part of the long game too?
      Jun 7
    • Uber / Engnkidwt
      I find it funny how our minority stakes in other companies are considered losses. In that respect we’re ahead of Google, Facebook and Amazon in getting a minority stake in unicorns in China and Russia. There was zero chance we would have one in either. The Kremlin and the CCP would have made sure of it.
      Jun 7
    • Square / EngSQ
      You should look up Fabs story sometime.
      Jun 7
    • Uber / EngMgQT10
      @SQ - since you picked out China as an example, how are Amazon, FB and Google doing there? Consistently beating competition, huh? Uber's stakes in Didi, Grab and Yandex alone will eclipse Square's market cap soon
      Jun 8
    • Square / EngSQ
      Remind me again how much money Amazon, FB, and Google are losing per quarter again? And which of those companies have to fundraise in the next 2-3 years or they'll be bankrupt? Pick on other companies for having some sense of financial responsibility lol. Mature.

      Maybe Uber will succeed. But for now it just gets on it's knees every 2 years for more money.
      Jun 8
    • Uber / Engnkidwt
      Remind me again how facebook’s and Amazon’s finances looked when they were 8 years old? Same story, different scale.
      Jun 8
    • New / Eng
      tc || gtfo

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      tc || gtfomore
      Uber would mostly be profitable before it's IPO. Also, it is profitable in certain markets. I believe the recent consolidation in China, Russia and SE Asia help it cut losses and work on it's mature market. I kinda think, they will pull this off .
      Jun 26
  • 147k base is really good for eng2. Seniors used to get 150k. Rsu grant is also really good. I honestly think it’s a strong offer
    Jun 63
    • Cmon son
      Jun 6
    • This person is probably the HM hahaha
      Jun 6
    • So what if I am? My knowledge of employee tc is still valid. Tingting is suggesting for op to lie and make shit up like he/she did. Fuck that. The comp is already decent. Maybe pull 300k rsu, maybe. the offer is already in band with our eng 2 offers.
      Jun 8
  • Amazon / EngBazinga!!!
    Yoe?
    Jun 61
  • PinterestowLj23
    Pinterest has a great culture and will be a better and bigger business than most people think. It’s a company I am proud to have worked at.
    Jun 612
    • PeerStreet / Other
      Ju63vNQa

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      Ju63vNQamore
      Lmao bro calm down you work at a photo sharing social network, you are literally the Silicon Valley meme of overpaid engineers solving problems nobody cares about and have minimal impact on the world.

      Uber has had a significant effect on my life, I can’t say the same thing about a website that allows me to aggregate and share my photos
      Jun 7
    • Pinterest:):):):)
      You do realize we have hundreds of millions of active users, right? I literally have random strangers thank me for building Pinterest because it improves their lives. Just because you don’t use/understand a service doesn’t make it worthless. I don’t use Snap or Uber or Airbnb, but that doesn’t make them worthless. Also, I guarantee the food you eat, the designs of the building you enter, and much more of your daily life is silently affected by Pinterest.
      Jun 7
    • PeerStreet / Other
      Ju63vNQa

      PeerStreetOther

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      Ju63vNQamore
      Lol keep drinking the kool aid buddy. I will be shocked if Pinterest ever reaches a liquidation event outside of an acquisition once investors realise it’ll never make money.

      I think most people would agree that creating a visual pin board of cool stuff you find around the Internet is not an essential or valuable service. Uber for most people is essential (it provides an income) or valuable (it allows someone to live without a car). I can’t say the same thing about an Internet pin board web app.
      Jun 7
    • Pinterest
      oldmap

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      @PeerStreet - a simple Google search will tell you what our financials are. Why don't you do that instead of trolling.
      Jun 7
    • PeerStreet / Other
      Ju63vNQa

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      Ju63vNQamore
      “Pinterest pushes back IPO to 2019 after revenue miss: report”

      “The social network is expected to have losses of about $100 million on revenue of about $490 million”

      Definitely sounds like a winner lmao, how you manage to even spend $590 million I can’t even fathom

      gle.ca/amp/s/kkkk://www.marketwatch.com/amp/story/guid/B8932A3C-34F7-465A-9CFC-33003E963E1E
      Jun 7
    • Pinterest:):):):)
      Twitter in 2012, year of IPO, 6 years old. 200m mau. $242m revenue. $511m in net losses. Now worth $30b.

      Pinterest in 2017. 7 years old. 200m+ mau. $480m revenue. $100m in losses.

      So Pinterest will likely be cash flow positive when it IPOs next year, making 3-4x what Twitter was when it IPOd, and you’re confused about what exactly?
      Jun 7
    • PeerStreet / Other
      Ju63vNQa

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      Ju63vNQamore
      Like I said - keep drinking the kool aid. The fact that you are comparing it to Twitter is laughable.

      I’m looking forward to the day you IPO so I can make some easy money from shorting your stock like I did with shorting Snapchat (another hilariously broken business model that’ll never reach sustainability)
      Jun 7
    • Googlewohooo
      Really how does Pinterest make 500 million dollars. I think they are giving discounts to advertisers and doing some accounting trick to make revenue high. Which might explain the losses. I work in ads, just don't see how Pinterest can make 500m.
      Jun 8
    • Pinterest:):):):)
      Lol no discounts. And we’re already on track for way more this year.
      Jun 8
    • PinterestGd4Yz
      People have a hard time with our creative because it is purely visual. But once we get them over the hump, they say we are the best performing ads outside of Google search and Facebook. I'll gladly take that compliment at our current point. And so we continue to grow with an entirely auction based system. (versus snap which was high cpm reservation, recently moving to auction hence guidance that revenue is tanking)
      Jun 13
  • Uber76fg45
    @Op 240k offer is at what valuation?
    Jun 63
    • $33
      Jun 7
    • In that case ask for 300k
      Jun 7
    • Uber76fg45
      I think it is a very good offer then they gave me the same offer with 8yoe.
      Jun 7
  • Uberguygff
    That's a fair offer for eng2. What is your yoe?
    Jun 72
  • Uber
    KnkG84

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    KnkG84more
    I can't talk about Pinterest, but Uber has a lot to offer. Urban mobility is huge as everyone moves into cities. Here are some reasons

    1. We have a solid, well rounded strategy to make headway here - making partnerships at the right places, smart acquisitions, self driving cars, VTOL vehicles etc. There is a lot for you to learn and do. Uber is very open to internal transfers.

    2. You are building a critical service: if Yahoo news goes down for a while, it won't hurt the world. If Uber does and you are late for your interview, it actually affects your life.

    3. The business stays ahead of engineering: the only place I have been where there's more real problems to solve than we can solve (I am not talking incremental enhancements, I am talking major changes to enabling the world move faster in a cheaper way).

    4. I am proud to be building a service everyone knows and uses!

    There's super high potential upside on equity for all these reasons and more. Happy to chat more, DM me.
    Jun 70
  • Been here for 8 months , I also worried about being a bad place but so far it’s been great.

    I’m also mobile dev SWE2 and the team and the resources are great, the development flow and challenges are pretty good and unless you’re working on a crazy important team your work-life balance will be great

    If your concerns are about culture request for a team lunch , and tell them you want to meet the people you’ll work for

    Take it from people working for Uber , a lot of this comments are just talking shit cause people love to shit to Uber. But the future IPO is looking bright , we got plenty of challenges a great new boss and way too much halal chicken
    Jun 72
    • I give you the D
      Jun 7
    • Akamai Technologiesbackndmage
      Hello there! I’m about to have an on-site and my choice would be a lot easier than OP’s. If I get an offer it’d be Symantec vs Uber, not really fighting on equal grounds there haha. Any tips you can pass onto a novice to ace this thing? I’m already 130 problems deep into LeetCode.
      Jun 7
  • Pinterest:):):):)
    Male engineers in Silicon Valley don’t value/understand Pinterest. But the company is kick-ass to work at, growing strong both in users and revenue, and still small enough to work on a wide variety of software. 3+ years going strong and still lovin’ it.
    Jun 73
    • Googlewohooo
      If it is so great, why is there so much attrition, and why no ipo
      Jun 7
    • Pinterest:):):):)
      It’s a 7 y/o company. Attrition of people who joined less than 2 years ago is relatively low, and you can’t expect someone to work at a startup forever.
      Jun 7
    • Pinterestdejwiwjejj
      Attrition of people from F and G is high. Of course attrition of people who joined in recent 1-2 year is low because many came from yahoo or some unheard companies so Pinterest, even as it is now, is still an upgrade for them.
      Jun 8
  • Uberbunnny
    Uber. What’s interesting about Pinterest?
    Jun 70
  • PinterestAbdhkx
    I would not recommend Pinterest. A lot of senior engineers and managers leaving in the last few weeks. Tons of political and super slow execution speed.
    Jun 74
    • Thank you. First real insight into Pinterest on this thread. Anyone other pinners have some useful info besides bashing / praising Uber / Pinterest?

      I’m already leaning heavily towards Uber, if only because the Pinterest product doesn’t excite me much and I doubt they’ll over similar compensation.
      Jun 8
    • Pinterest
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      Agree with the comment above.
      What team is your offer in?
      Jun 8
    • Google / EngthoughtfuI
      @b!qwh!pp3r, @oldmap: which groups do this happen to?
      Jun 8
    • Pinterest
      oldmap

      Pinterest

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      It's not a team problem - it's a company wide problem. Just take a look at how little the product has changed in the last few years compared to, say, Instagram or even Twitter or Snap.
      Some teams move fast making incremental improvements to ranking or distribution but overall velocity is low.
      Jun 8
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  • Ight y’all signed sealed & delivered — I went with Uber!
    Jun 134
    • Microsoft / Eng
      wisz46

      MicrosoftEng

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      wisz46more
      Congrats! Avoid the tingtings
      Jun 16
    • Thanks!
      Jun 16
    • Yea that dude seems like trouble lol
      Jun 16
    • Pinteresthbd6f2
      Congrats! Hope it’s awesome for you! 🤘🏻
      Jun 26
  • New / Eng
    tc || gtfo

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    tc || gtfomore
    Yoe?
    Jun 261

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