Should I work for Uber or Pinterest?

Jun 6, 2018 87 Comments

I have an offer from Uber for Software Engineer II, 147k base + 13k target cash bonus + 52k target refresher RSU + 240k RSU over the usual 4 year vesting schedule schedule.

Do those numbers seem ok?

I’m expecting an offer from Pinterest as well in the coming days. Better or worse place to work than Uber?

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  • Microsoft / Eng
    wisz46

    Microsoft Eng

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    Google, Facebook, TuneIn
    wisz46more
    Uber is hell to work for, for the most part
    Jun 6, 2018 10
    • Uber Ytst
      Please try harder on your next Uber interview.
      Jun 7, 2018
    • Uber / Eng nkidwt
      I love it at Uber so I have no idea what you’re talking about.
      Jun 7, 2018
    • New / Eng
      albion1

      New Eng

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      Oracle, Cisco
      BIO
      I’m political dynamite.
      albion1more
      the bay area: "Uber sucks"
      engineers still working at Uber: ITS PERFECT

      Everytime.
      Jun 9, 2018
    • New / Ops
      ODIu56

      New Ops

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      500 Startups
      ODIu56more
      All these uber people relentlessly attacking whoever talks shit about their company.....
      Jun 19, 2018
    • Uber / Eng shANq80
      Do I know you, ODlu56?
      Jun 19, 2018
  • Pinterest owLj23
    Pinterest has a great culture and will be a better and bigger business than most people think. It’s a company I am proud to have worked at.
    Jun 6, 2018 12
    • Pinterest :):):):)
      Twitter in 2012, year of IPO, 6 years old. 200m mau. $242m revenue. $511m in net losses. Now worth $30b.

      Pinterest in 2017. 7 years old. 200m+ mau. $480m revenue. $100m in losses.

      So Pinterest will likely be cash flow positive when it IPOs next year, making 3-4x what Twitter was when it IPOd, and you’re confused about what exactly?
      Jun 7, 2018
    • PeerStreet / Other
      Ju63vNQa

      PeerStreet Other

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      Ju63vNQamore
      Like I said - keep drinking the kool aid. The fact that you are comparing it to Twitter is laughable.

      I’m looking forward to the day you IPO so I can make some easy money from shorting your stock like I did with shorting Snapchat (another hilariously broken business model that’ll never reach sustainability)
      Jun 7, 2018
    • Google wohooo
      Really how does Pinterest make 500 million dollars. I think they are giving discounts to advertisers and doing some accounting trick to make revenue high. Which might explain the losses. I work in ads, just don't see how Pinterest can make 500m.
      Jun 8, 2018
    • Pinterest :):):):)
      Lol no discounts. And we’re already on track for way more this year.
      Jun 8, 2018
    • Pinterest Gd4Yz
      People have a hard time with our creative because it is purely visual. But once we get them over the hump, they say we are the best performing ads outside of Google search and Facebook. I'll gladly take that compliment at our current point. And so we continue to grow with an entirely auction based system. (versus snap which was high cpm reservation, recently moving to auction hence guidance that revenue is tanking)
      Jun 13, 2018
  • Uber TingTing3
    Pinterest is over and no clear path to ipo. As far as the offer is concerned.. it’s low. Ask for 150/ 350k
    Jun 6, 2018 12
    • Uber TingTing3
      They will judge your system design based on your performance and people at the same level of experience
      Jun 7, 2018
    • Uber Ewhaw
      Both companies are planning to go public in 2019. Pinterest has a much lower valuation, so the law of numbers says it in theory can increase in value more. It's business is advertising based and the ad business model is a proven one that can be quite profitable.
      Jun 7, 2018
    • Uber TingTing3
      What law of numbers is that?
      Jun 7, 2018
    • Uber Ewhaw
      This is common sense.
      Jun 7, 2018
    • Uber VdYu22
      Common sense is not "law of numbers". In fact it does nothing to explain the thinking.

      In fact, it sounds more like circular logic. The point you're trying to make is that it's an advertisement model and since those have been successful before, it must be worth more.

      Should be worth more > but it has a lower valuation > it should be worth more > repeat until you've convinced yourself that Pinterest is a better investment than Uber.

      OP, if you fall for this type of idiocy, I've got a tiger-repelling rock to sell you.
      Jun 7, 2018
  • Uber / Eng MgQT10
    Uber is not the easiest company to work for but it's a no-brainer in terms of who will provide a challenging and learning experience. Equity upside is Uber as well - can't see Pinterest stock exploding ever even if they IPO
    Jun 6, 2018 13
    • Square / Eng SQ
      You should look up Fabs story sometime.
      Jun 7, 2018
    • Uber / Eng MgQT10
      @SQ - since you picked out China as an example, how are Amazon, FB and Google doing there? Consistently beating competition, huh? Uber's stakes in Didi, Grab and Yandex alone will eclipse Square's market cap soon
      Jun 8, 2018
    • Square / Eng SQ
      Remind me again how much money Amazon, FB, and Google are losing per quarter again? And which of those companies have to fundraise in the next 2-3 years or they'll be bankrupt? Pick on other companies for having some sense of financial responsibility lol. Mature.

      Maybe Uber will succeed. But for now it just gets on it's knees every 2 years for more money.
      Jun 8, 2018
    • Uber / Eng nkidwt
      Remind me again how facebook’s and Amazon’s finances looked when they were 8 years old? Same story, different scale.
      Jun 8, 2018
    • New / Eng
      tc || gtfo

      New Eng

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      tc || gtfomore
      Uber would mostly be profitable before it's IPO. Also, it is profitable in certain markets. I believe the recent consolidation in China, Russia and SE Asia help it cut losses and work on it's mature market. I kinda think, they will pull this off .
      Jun 26, 2018
  • Uber
    KnkG84

    Uber

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    Microsoft, Yahoo
    KnkG84more
    I can't talk about Pinterest, but Uber has a lot to offer. Urban mobility is huge as everyone moves into cities. Here are some reasons

    1. We have a solid, well rounded strategy to make headway here - making partnerships at the right places, smart acquisitions, self driving cars, VTOL vehicles etc. There is a lot for you to learn and do. Uber is very open to internal transfers.

    2. You are building a critical service: if Yahoo news goes down for a while, it won't hurt the world. If Uber does and you are late for your interview, it actually affects your life.

    3. The business stays ahead of engineering: the only place I have been where there's more real problems to solve than we can solve (I am not talking incremental enhancements, I am talking major changes to enabling the world move faster in a cheaper way).

    4. I am proud to be building a service everyone knows and uses!

    There's super high potential upside on equity for all these reasons and more. Happy to chat more, DM me.
    Jun 7, 2018 0
  • Uber Tyroneb
    147k base is really good for eng2. Seniors used to get 150k. Rsu grant is also really good. I honestly think it’s a strong offer
    Jun 6, 2018 3
    • Uber TingTing3
      Cmon son
      Jun 6, 2018
    • EA fkjzoo
      This person is probably the HM hahaha
      Jun 6, 2018
    • Uber Tyroneb
      So what if I am? My knowledge of employee tc is still valid. Tingting is suggesting for op to lie and make shit up like he/she did. Fuck that. The comp is already decent. Maybe pull 300k rsu, maybe. the offer is already in band with our eng 2 offers.
      Jun 7, 2018
  • OP
    Ight y’all signed sealed & delivered — I went with Uber!
    Jun 13, 2018 5
    • Microsoft / Eng
      wisz46

      Microsoft Eng

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      Google, Facebook, TuneIn
      wisz46more
      Congrats! Avoid the tingtings
      Jun 16, 2018
    • OP
      Thanks!
      Jun 16, 2018
    • OP
      Yea that dude seems like trouble lol
      Jun 16, 2018
    • Pinterest hbd6f2
      Congrats! Hope it’s awesome for you! 🤘🏻
      Jun 26, 2018
    • Oath OPnd70
      Howd it work out?
      Dec 30, 2018
  • Pinterest :):):):)
    Male engineers in Silicon Valley don’t value/understand Pinterest. But the company is kick-ass to work at, growing strong both in users and revenue, and still small enough to work on a wide variety of software. 3+ years going strong and still lovin’ it.
    Jun 7, 2018 3
    • Google wohooo
      If it is so great, why is there so much attrition, and why no ipo
      Jun 7, 2018
    • Pinterest :):):):)
      It’s a 7 y/o company. Attrition of people who joined less than 2 years ago is relatively low, and you can’t expect someone to work at a startup forever.
      Jun 7, 2018
    • Pinterest dejwiwjejj
      Attrition of people from F and G is high. Of course attrition of people who joined in recent 1-2 year is low because many came from yahoo or some unheard companies so Pinterest, even as it is now, is still an upgrade for them.
      Jun 8, 2018
  • Been here for 8 months , I also worried about being a bad place but so far it’s been great.

    I’m also mobile dev SWE2 and the team and the resources are great, the development flow and challenges are pretty good and unless you’re working on a crazy important team your work-life balance will be great

    If your concerns are about culture request for a team lunch , and tell them you want to meet the people you’ll work for

    Take it from people working for Uber , a lot of this comments are just talking shit cause people love to shit to Uber. But the future IPO is looking bright , we got plenty of challenges a great new boss and way too much halal chicken
    Jun 7, 2018 2
    • Uber uberato
      I give you the D
      Jun 7, 2018
    • Akamai Technologies backndmage
      Hello there! I’m about to have an on-site and my choice would be a lot easier than OP’s. If I get an offer it’d be Symantec vs Uber, not really fighting on equal grounds there haha. Any tips you can pass onto a novice to ace this thing? I’m already 130 problems deep into LeetCode.
      Jun 7, 2018
  • Pinterest Abdhkx
    I would not recommend Pinterest. A lot of senior engineers and managers leaving in the last few weeks. Tons of political and super slow execution speed.
    Jun 7, 2018 4
    • OP
      Thank you. First real insight into Pinterest on this thread. Anyone other pinners have some useful info besides bashing / praising Uber / Pinterest?

      I’m already leaning heavily towards Uber, if only because the Pinterest product doesn’t excite me much and I doubt they’ll over similar compensation.
      Jun 8, 2018
    • Pinterest
      oldmap

      Pinterest

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      Facebook
      oldmapmore
      Agree with the comment above.
      What team is your offer in?
      Jun 8, 2018
    • Google / Eng thoughtfuI
      @b!qwh!pp3r, @oldmap: which groups do this happen to?
      Jun 8, 2018
    • Pinterest
      oldmap

      Pinterest

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      Facebook
      oldmapmore
      It's not a team problem - it's a company wide problem. Just take a look at how little the product has changed in the last few years compared to, say, Instagram or even Twitter or Snap.
      Some teams move fast making incremental improvements to ranking or distribution but overall velocity is low.
      Jun 8, 2018
  • Uber guygff
    That's a fair offer for eng2. What is your yoe?
    Jun 7, 2018 2
    • OP
      2-3
      Jun 7, 2018
    • Uber guygff
      For 2-3 years you got an amazing offer, take it.
      Jun 9, 2018
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  • Uber bunnny
    Uber. What’s interesting about Pinterest?
    Jun 7, 2018 0
  • Uber 76fg45
    @Op 240k offer is at what valuation?
    Jun 6, 2018 3
    • OP
      $33
      Jun 7, 2018
    • Uber TingTing3
      In that case ask for 300k
      Jun 7, 2018
    • Uber 76fg45
      I think it is a very good offer then they gave me the same offer with 8yoe.
      Jun 7, 2018
  • New / Eng
    tc || gtfo

    New Eng

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    JPMorgan Chase
    tc || gtfomore
    Yoe?
    Jun 26, 2018 1
  • Amazon / Eng Bazinga!!!
    Yoe?
    Jun 6, 2018 1

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