Should S386/HR1044 pass? Just trying to poll

Xilinx LWkj71
Sep 20 98 Comments

Please keep the discussion civil.

We already know both sides -
Why should Indian citizens wait for years because of the quota. It's not a genuine candidates fault that the system is broken.

VS

Why should RoW because India has a huge population coming over?

I'm indian and I'm biased ofcourse for it to pass. Hear me out before you dismiss my point of view. I'm a genuine candidate who has been here for 10 years, still on h1B and life feels unsettled without a GC. Honestly anyone who is not an Indian doesn't know what an Indian on h1B goes through. It feels like a permanent limbo. At the very least the system needs to change to merit based regardless of race, religion. Why should people like me be punished because few companies from India abused the system, also legally by exploring the loophole btw. Who's fault is it? I was in my teens when they started doing this ofcourse legally. You can throw those abusive candidates out for all I care. It's every man for himself in this.

As an example, Why are there more electoral college votes in California compared to Maryland?
Because the size and population of California is higher than Maryland. It's the same God damn thing.

Anyway, just my 0.02$. There is no need to be racist towards Indians, if you have any other point than what I mentioned above I'd like to hear it. If not, not typing anything is more than welcome.

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TOP 98 Comments
  • LinkedIn Wiener
    Why do people pretend that Chinese support this bill? 100% of all Chinese I know want this bill to fail.
    Sep 20 26
    • Xilinx LWkj71
      OP
      But why are you assuming they won't increase the limit?
      Sep 20
    • Amazon / R&D ATTE75
      Trump base is against it. And most of the GOP
      Sep 20
    • Xilinx LWkj71
      OP
      Trump is not against legal immigration. He's against abuse of the system as is expected.
      Sep 20
    • Xilinx LWkj71
      OP
      Mike Lee is a republican senator.
      Sep 20
    • Microsoft pqfreqed26
      I'm Chinese, and not against it.
      Sep 21
  • Oracle Embarcoder
    OP did you seriously not know that S386 will increase wait time for every else for up to 10 years ?
    Sep 20 18
    • Oracle Embarcoder
      Not worth it, u r an idiot
      Sep 20
    • Xilinx LWkj71
      OP
      I have a feeling you have not the bill. Just speaking out on it because you heard everyone else saying it's bad.
      Sep 20
    • Facebook / Eng pookyh
      your contention is that because it doesn’t not say that the number of GCs will go up then there’s a chance they might? And that the onus of proof is on everyone to prove you’re wrong?

      That’s not how law works in this country.
      Sep 20
    • Xilinx LWkj71
      OP
      My point is the assumptions for the calculations are incorrect
      Sep 20
    • Facebook / Eng pookyh
      The assumptions are based on what the total state of law and rules would look like should this bill pass. That’s how this works. If there’s another secret bill containing allllll the bullshit you’re talking about then maybe you’ll be right. Until then, you’re wrong.
      Sep 21
  • Indeed qosnror
    You know Chinese is against this bill...🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️. Don’t try to get Chinese on your side OP.
    Sep 20 0
  • Facebook / Eng Beau
    It's not fair to China in 10 years actually...
    Sep 20 2
    • Xilinx LWkj71
      OP
      Explain!
      Sep 20
    • EPAM Systems €@Td!çk
      China is against this, you misinformed troll
      Sep 20
  • Facebook bl@ckmamba
    @op don’t bucket Chinese into this. This will only benefit me Indians. Chinese wait times would actually increase.
    Sep 20 5
    • Xilinx LWkj71
      OP
      Why do you think the wait times increase for the Chinese other than temporarily increase when they roll it out initially
      Sep 20
    • Facebook bl@ckmamba
      It’s not what I think. It is a fact that wait time would increase for Chinese atleast for the next 10 years.
      The queue is saturated by Indians.
      Sep 20
    • Xilinx LWkj71
      OP
      Do you have a source what you call a "fact"? Where does it say that wait time for Chinese increase for next 10 years.

      Everyone will have the same wait time!!!

      You should read up on queuing theory.
      Sep 20
    • Facebook / Eng pookyh
      Now you’re just being silly. The expected wait time for non-Indian people is much lower right now. It will go up.
      Sep 20
    • Xilinx LWkj71
      OP
      It will go up but not like 10 years. Don't be stupid.
      Sep 20
  • Amazon 0x12h
    Chinese Strong Against this bill
    Sep 20 0
  • LinkedIn Wiener
    No it’s not fair for China & RoW
    Sep 20 0
  • Uber ByXF80
    Fix the pool. China is against this bill.
    Sep 20 0
  • Amazon TRuc81
    Why not just post whether people are from India or ROW?
    Sep 20 6
    • Amazon TRuc81
      You don’t think Americans should care about who’s immigrating to their country? The entitlement
      Sep 20
    • Xilinx LWkj71
      OP
      That's not what I meant. Americans should definitely care, that's why there a poll for Americans to participate and not just a poll for India or RoW.
      Sep 20
    • Facebook / Eng pookyh
      You just said above that Americans should be neutral. Which is it?

      It seems to me like you think Americans should just shut up and let you in?
      Sep 20
    • Xilinx LWkj71
      OP
      You're stupid. Drop it.
      Sep 20
    • Facebook / Eng pookyh
      Maybe don’t resort to name calling when your entitlement is called out. That puts a dint in your cries of racism against opponents of this bill and reveals your true self-centered motivation underneath.
      Sep 21
  • Expedia Group pqXH57
    The option should be changed to ‘Yes, it’s not fair for India’ and ‘No, it’s not fair to RoW, including China ‘
    Sep 20 0
  • Facebook ic1
    This bill only benefit India. Do not try to distract people by dragging China into it.
    Sep 20 0
  • Xilinx LWkj71
    OP
    For everyone telling to change the polll. Once the poll is created, it cannot be edited and please explain how are the Chinese citizens being hurt with this bill. ELI5 because I don't see a downside for the Chinese.
    Sep 20 8
    • Tableau
      ocAH66

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      ocAH66more
      What makes you think so? Aren’t there tons of countries who have their priority dates as current?
      Sep 20
    • Xilinx LWkj71
      OP
      Why wouldn't the backlog clear? You're clearly speaking out of your ass.
      Sep 20
    • Facebook / Eng pookyh
      The backlog may eventually clear but the H1B visa scamming from India will obviously have an uptick if this passes as GC expectations rise there.
      Sep 20
    • Xilinx LWkj71
      OP
      Now you're just fear mongering. Read the 386 mythbusters comment.

      You can close all loopholes that stem from the system. That's on the authorities!!
      Sep 20
    • Facebook / Eng pookyh
      They could be closed... but they aren’t. Not now and not in this bill.
      Sep 21
  • VMware / Eng anonym🌴🌱
    Here is a quick HR1044/S386 Myth buster:
    1. "Wait times for everyone except Indians will become 10+ years."
    WRONG! This comes from a CATO post that used a bunch of worst case estimates of 650k backlogged Indians assuming each applicant has 2+ dependents (most Indians have American kids who don't need GC). It also assumes ZERO dropouts (thousands of Indians leave this broken system every year).
    The original source was really trying to highlight the plight of Indians. These fear mongers happily converted the pre-bill wait times to post bill wait times and have been trying to spook everyone.

    4 years of added delay timer runs **in parallel** with regular process so real added delay could even be in months! Definitely not in decades! (contrast that with 150 year wait time for Indians in the queue without the bill)!

    2. "US tech force will lose diversity"
    IMPOSSIBLE:
    - Employment category makes up a measly 10% of all green cards issued!
    - Indians the largest beneficiary make up 0.97% of US population. Even with all backlog cleared, their percentage can barely scratch 2%!
    - These are existing people waiting in queue for decades, not newcomers so you can't destroy diversity with existing workforce.

    3. "Flood gates will open and Indians and Chinese will flood all jobs"
    REALLY REALLY HARD: GC process currently forces employers to prove that local talent is unavailable for every new applicant, so with this bill people will get mobility, making it harder to justify new alien hires. The reason it is so easy to justify today, is because of the backlog. When folks move TC goes up for ALL!!

    -----------------------
    TLDR: S386 WILL NOT SCREW ANYONE!
    Sep 20 4
    • Xilinx LWkj71
      OP
      Preach!!!!
      Sep 20
    • Amazon TRuc81
      “GC forces proof that local talent is unavailable making it harder to justify alien hire” you mean GC forces proof that no one looks for a job in the newspaper anymore 😂
      Sep 20
    • VMware / Eng anonym🌴🌱
      Don't have the slightest idea of how green cards in the EB category work do ya?
      First step is PERM where an employer has to *convince* the dept of labor that a local American or green card holding replacement is unavailable for an applicant.
      Right now proving that is pretty easy because of the damn backlog!
      Once the backlogged folks get mobility, they will qualify to apply for the open positions making newer GC applications harder to justify.
      Guess what this will result in .. yup.. higher TC for ALL!
      Sep 20
    • Amazon TRuc81
      Have you seen how they “convince” the DOL? It’s a joke, you can file for green card 1 year after graduating
      Sep 21
  • Uber bagpack
    It’s not fair with the rest of the world. Sorry but you gotta keep waiting.
    Sep 21 0
    • VMware / Eng anonym🌴🌱
      Blindly posting a link without so much as a line of your own and you expect Nobody should flag your post as SPAM?
      Sep 20
    • New justgo
      Good point please sign the petition to oppose!
      Sep 21
    • Google oebgrjsns
      Signed it already. Please share it more and get it signed. Fcking shameless indians
      Sep 21
    • Tableau
      ocAH66

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      ocAH66more
      Wow! The amount of hate is frankly funny to watch 😂
      Sep 22
    • New justgo
      I don’t know why it’s funny? It’s our right to express the opinions. There are 190+ countries.
      Sep 22
  • Flagged by the community.

    • Xilinx LWkj71
      OP
      Stupid rhetoric. Meaningless comment.
      Sep 20
  • Uber ByXF80
    The poll results says it all. It’s NOT FAIR for RoW INCLUDING China!
    Sep 21 0
  • Google oebgrjsns
    If only Indians can not bring their cheap tricks of pulling others down to US .. they will be more welcome. For now.. sorry but you need to learn a lot indians
    Sep 21 1
    • Tableau
      ocAH66

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      ocAH66more
      You are lumping all Indians (every 6th person in the world) in one basket - thought I’d remind you of that..

      Also, there is nothing an ordinary Indian National who came here all the right ways do to change the actions a few that seem to give H1B bad name.
      Sep 22
  • EPAM Systems €@+d!çk
    What an epic failure of an attempt at a troll post. Op's incompetence at a proud display. Just like at work probably
    Sep 20 0
  • EPAM Systems €@+d!çk
    No, it shouldn't. The goal of s386 is to "spread the pain"

    https://twitter.com/baremetalguy/status/1175472186364063744?s=20
    Sep 21 0