Yes, a lot more. This is specific to post op health outcomes, which is directly related to your suicidality and mental health position.
Let’s end this though. We’ve both gone back and forth in a mostly unproductive way. If you want to engage in a personal discussion about my experience in combat situations with trans individuals and my trans health research I’d be more than happy to. This forum is a poor outlet for this conversation.
I’ve enjoyed the fun back and forth and certainly don’t legitimately think you’re an asshole. I do think your opinions are ludicrous, but you’re probably coming from the right place.
How important is team cohesiveness in non-combat roles? Does an Army accountant need the same cohesion as a Green Beret?
I’m also hearing a lot of generalizations (trans tend to have more mental health issues) rather than an individualized look at the person (does this person exhibit those issues) to make determinations as whether any trans person can serve in any capacity. It’s pretty well known that not everyone has the stuff needed to be an elite soldier, so why try to hold all trans people to that elite standard?
My comments were very specific to being “deployable” which I thought I made clear, sorry if it wasn’t. You shouldn’t get paid time off to “transition” while on the job, any time off shouldn’t count toward your time commitment, and you shouldn’t be considered for any combat ready roles where your personal situation could put the lives of others at risk.
Sounds like you’re cherry picking one narrow scenario and then painting all transgender people with the same brush.
One can be transgender and never have sex change operations.
One can be transgender and not undergo sex change operations while in active duty.
From your argument, anyone taking drugs that affect ones hormones or behavioral tendencies should be banned from military duty. Women who take synthetic hormones for medical purposes. Men who have testies removed from testicular cancer. Anyone taking depression medication, etc...
@mr.clippy yes to your last paragraph. Anything that could impair one’s abilities to be combat ready and contribute to mental instability is and should be a disqualifying situation. This is why we screen people and disqualify many or also why some are discharged early.
Okay. Well I’m in no position to qualify who is “service ready compliant”. Nobody in Blind is. I don’t think you can paint any kind of broad brush to dump people in one bucket or another.
What’s obvious is transgender folks are just as capable at being exemplary at this job as everyone else. Identifying as M\F but being biologically the opposite makes no difference in your physical and cognitive abilities.
If the opinion of the military is that folks undergoing sex change procedures are incapable of performing their duties, ill leave it to their judgement and not the random politically charged judgement of cadet bone spurs or anyone else’s opinions outside of the evidence of medical science. It’s important to narrow the terms of barring individuals without broad group punishment. We are a meritocracy after all.
Last point I think is important is that not being able to serve active combat doesn’t mean they cannot serve their country in some other function.
Simple conclusion: don’t create broad arbitrary rules around these attributes. Take it on a case by case basis. What makes our military great is that it’s voluntary.
Except they’re not capable of being exemplary for a combat role because they suffer from mental illness. Everyone has to demonstrate they’re combat ready even if assigned to a desk because they could be redeployed in a combat role at any time.
It can be emotional and evidence based at the same time. It’s narrow minded to think otherwise.
Of course this is an emotional issue. You’re de-valuing a human being based on literally no experience and with no presented evidence. You’ve presented nothing. You’ve stated ‘logic’ but provided none. Your position appears purely anecdotal and opinion based.
I’m not devaluing anyone. I have deep sympathies for those with mental illness in general. I’m merely saying other people’s lives shouldn’t be put at risk because of this mental illness. Also GID usually has comorbidity with other psychopathies.
You see how this starts creating all kind of problems. A women enters the force, decides to become a man, now does this man have to cover the men standards before being assigned to anything? If the new man fails the tests, is he discharged?
They’re not rejected solely for fitness failures. If you can’t pass basic military fitness standards you likely have some debilitating condition, spent your entire life sedentary, or are obese. The requirements are easy, especially for the Air Force and Navy.
The men’s requirements are not particularly challenging outside of the special forces and the marines. Most fit women can easily (and do) achieve current men’s standards. With testosterone supplementation it’s even easier. Military fitness standards are not challenging.
And...anecdotally, most military transitions are FtM, not the MtF.
Not sure what's happening in EllisDee's reality so I'd like to ask: how do you imagine the US exists without military, police (I guess you don't like it either), birders etc. All other countries won't disband their military and eternal kumbaya is not here yet.
LGB should be kept separate from T. Sexual preference doesn’t impact ones ability to serve in a combat ready position by itself. T on the other hand is a mental health issue that does directly impact someone’s ability to serve in a combat ready role. If you have a schizophrenic L then clearly the schizophrenia, not the sexual preference, would negatively impact the individual’s ability to serve.
It absolutely is a mental disorder despite your copy and paste. The fact that trying to claim people are not distressed by it is BS. There would be no need for hormones, surgeries, or suicide if it wasn’t distressing.
Now you’re doing what Leftists do best. Claim the other side is doing the very thing, they themselves are doing... How do you know when a Leftist is guilty of something? They accuse you of doing it. A well known and oft practiced Alinsky tactic straight out of Rules for Radicals. Know thine enemy and know them well.
You missed the point entirely. Despite the “Army of One” mantra, combat ready troops need to be an effective and cohesive team. Mental health issues of one team member puts the whole team at risk in combat scenarios. It’s not just risking their life, it’s risking the lives of their team.
Not sure how that would work considering Gender Identity Disorder/Gender Dysphoria is a self identifying mental illness. It’s not like there is a simple test, it relies on the person telling you that they think they’re the opposite gender which you can easily lie about.
These are all politically motivated groups that throw biological science to the wind in favor of political correctness and cultural Marxism. Actual research is being suppressed because of pressure from activist groups to push a false narrative when it comes to this mental illness.
Gays in the US "shoot the arab children for oil money" military is the #1 priority for all gays.
Because smart gays don't have massive student loans, and they all have affordable housing, and healthcare is affordable, and all have job security for life in low cost of living areas and all are destined to retire in Palm beach in luxury when social security runs out in 15 years, and.....you get my drift.....
Politicians trick is to get you riled up about the most irrelevant yet emotional issues while they give your taxes to their friends in backroom dealings.