If you have to get into Prenup that means you don’t trust your partner.. Marriage is human and emotional matter, don’t connect it to stupid TC, net worth etc.. @op, If you have prenup thoughts, don’t get married!
If marriage is human and emotional matter, disconnected from net worth and TC, then divorces shouldn't have anything to do with money at all. Love and relationship is a human, emotional matter. Marriage on the other hand, is legal matter.
Yeah it may sounds stupid to few intelligent people but The problem is, if you get into marriage with an agreement that is not a marriage but a contract.
Why would you bother in that case? Just go to strip clubs, hookers and Restaurants as I believe you don’t see any emotional sentiments anyway, do you?
Why are you trying to pull the wool over our eyes? Marriage is already a contract even if you don’t personally sign a prenup. The government has already signed a default version of that contract for you, specifying things like alimony, property division, child support, responsibilities, etc. in the event of a divorce. You can pretend it doesn’t exist because nobody brings it to your attention during the wedding, but ignoring it doesn’t make it disappear.
If you believe in pure love without contracts, then better don’t get married. Otherwise, “just go to strip clubs, hookers and Restaurants (???)”.
Clinical psychotherapist, Mia Adler Ozair, lists "Thou Shalt Not Mention the ‘D’ Word" as one of his ten marriage commandments. "If you are serious about wanting to build a long-lasting, loving relationship, then [divorce] can simply not enter the vocabulary in a relationship," Ozair says. "Trust is built by knowing that regular marital issues that arise during the course of all relationships will be met with a true desire to communicate." The threat of leaving, or that one or both of you might opt out of the marriage, creates a hostile environment for trust and love to flourish.
It’s an even more hostile environment when one partner cheats on the other and then runs off with 50% of the assets even though they didn’t contribute to that nestegg.
Of course Mia Ozair says that. A woman must avoid a pre-nup at all costs, and men must do it no matter what. Because the laws are heavily biased against men.
If you go into a marriage with that mindset guy are doomed. Just because someone cheats doesn’t mean you get divorced. You try to work through it. When you get married there is no more mine it becomes we. I know it may seem cheesy and old fashioned but having that mindset will ensure your marriage is on a solid foundation. Every single marriage/relationship has major struggles that could warrant divorce. The difference between those couples that stay together and those that don’t is a willingness to work things out. Of course I am not talking a abuse. Most couples doesn’t divorce for those reasons.
Divorce rates are roughly 50%. That’s a coin flip. If you were looking at an investment that had a 50% chance of failure you wouldn’t want some contingencies in place?
Well that’s because, traditionally, women relied on their husbands for their livelihood. So the laws reflect that a man can’t just walk away and leave his wife penniless.
Sure. I understand the reason, makes perfect sense. And the laws will be unbiased again in a generation or so when there's true gender equality. But until then, during this transition period, a lot of men are gonna get screwed.
It depends. If you both have your own assets at the time, it’s a good idea. If you have an imbalance of assets, I’ve seen it backfire (since it’s meant to protect that person’s assets. If you have very few assets, there’s no point unless you want to stipulate other conditions in the event of separation. All traditional Jewish weddings have this in their marriage contract, which was designed to protect women, their rights and standing in the community, and give them an income to live off in the event that they separated.
The assets keep changing. For instance, most people buy a house after getting married. And for most people that's the largest asset they'll ever possess.
In most states anything after marriage is communal property. Prenups I believe only make guarantees about past property, or how assets are divided in the event of a separation.
Because the first spouse may not want to marry them if they don’t sign? If somebody came and told me “You either give me half of your assets or I won’t marry you”, then I’d personally walk away.
That’s why I think prenup is good for assets before marriage. Anything after should be joint. That’s about as far as I would go on either side of the argument.
Not really. Why should it be joint? Separate finances and joint expenses based on mutual agreement is the way to go.
Think of it this way: “Why would one spouse be entitled to the appreciation of the assets of the other?” A stock or real estate may go 50% up before divorce and then 50% down after a divorce without any of the spouses contributing to these changes of value. Why should any redistribution happen? Communal property and alimony are the biggest scams ever. Does your employer pay you alimony when you decide to leave and end the business relationship?
I see it differently. My spouse does things so I can do different ones. By putting my time into the investment, I got that gain—with her help. If you buy a house and she does all of the maintenance and such, keeping it in good shape, who gets the money then? You for choosing it or her for maintaining it in a state where it can be sold? Your argument doesn’t hold any water.
While I wouldn’t do one myself, I completely understand having assets from before the marriage remain individual assets.
How does this work? You marry in your home country but live in the US. Which implies you are living in the US on a visa. How is your SO living with you? On a dependent visa as your SO? Maybe your SO is a US citizen, then not “registering it”? Also still sounds like fraud when you fill in legal paperwork (like USCIS/tax stuff) saying you are unmarried.
If you are in India never marry Indian girls as they usually file fake cases on men and usually marry to get GC in US else for other girls obviously... we are living in the era of feminism and you will be punished for no reason if women think so...
It depends. In California any marriage lasting more than 10 years invalidates any prenup arrangements anyways. If you're getting married and you don't think you can make it to 10 years then that's your first problem right there.
In my opinion, you shouldn't get married if you don't think you'll be in it for life. Why get married otherwise? Just live together. Still eligible for health etc. No advantages to marriage unless it's a super long hall commitment.
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Love and relationship is a human, emotional matter. Marriage on the other hand, is legal matter.
Why would you bother in that case? Just go to strip clubs, hookers and Restaurants as I believe you don’t see any emotional sentiments anyway, do you?
If you believe in pure love without contracts, then better don’t get married. Otherwise, “just go to strip clubs, hookers and Restaurants (???)”.
You're talking like a 15 year old or a preteen, its obvious from your immaturity you should never get married
But until then, during this transition period, a lot of men are gonna get screwed.
Think of it this way: “Why would one spouse be entitled to the appreciation of the assets of the other?” A stock or real estate may go 50% up before divorce and then 50% down after a divorce without any of the spouses contributing to these changes of value. Why should any redistribution happen? Communal property and alimony are the biggest scams ever. Does your employer pay you alimony when you decide to leave and end the business relationship?
While I wouldn’t do one myself, I completely understand having assets from before the marriage remain individual assets.
But Jeff, in his case, I think you’re wrong.
Also still sounds like fraud when you fill in legal paperwork (like USCIS/tax stuff) saying you are unmarried.
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