"multiple" isn't an option because any combination of these things are obviously bad
- Microsoft X9pl12You forgot one of the biggest reasons of all: having a shitty manager who won’t advocate for you and realizing it too slowly or not at all.
- From what I've seen managers are very rarely overwhelmingly bad - I don't know many managers who are hated by all their reports.
Usually it comes down to how well you fit with your manager. I wish I have more pointers on how to find that fit. Are there any senior engineers or managers who have pointers on this line?
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- "social skills haven't impeded me" -- to clarify, I've been able to achieve my career goals. If my goal was to be an C-level exec, my social skills would have been a huge hurdle. But as a senior engineer, my day to day work isn't affected. In fact, it usually shields me from office politics, as I don't fall in any particular camp.
- Absolutely social skills.
I have no degree. I am maybe moderately technical but I am able to express myself and the tech concepts I know extremely well.
This has gotten me jobs at many places over the years, including two FAANG and Microsoft.
- Microsoft piggyshatsThe biggest roadblock is the inability of people to adapt and change themselves
Need to leetcode to get to FAANG? Do it! Got bad manager? Change teams/jobs. Can’t manage people? Read books, learn this skill.
- @Knuck you don’t need to be a woman or pregnant to understand having an employee that disappears for 4-6 months whether it’s vacation, sabbatical, or pregnancy is bad for business. You definitely don’t give someone critical roles and responsibilities when you know it’s in direct conflict with their personal choices.
- That’s an idiotic response. First no one would agree to it but of course when someone leaves it’s bad for business. Every time I hire someone I have to decide if I think they’re in it for the long haul or if they’re going to up and leave in 3, 6, or 9 months. It’s obviously bad for business when anyone leaves for any reason unless that person was a liability. Considering I’m a woman (one with no kids and no desire for them) your sexism nonsense is simply that.
- Also, I will grant you that there may be situations where giving a project to someone who is about to go on pregnancy leave is not handy. In those cases you need to work out a custom solution. The difference though is in trying to make it work when possible rather than be principally biased towards women with a child wish, citing abstract shareholder commitments from the get go.
- For the females, pregnancy and taking more than a few weeks off after birth.
- That is a dumb thing to say. White guys in high positions because the candidate mix was different when they got into that position 10-20years ago does not have any bearing on how difficult it is to get hired or promoted as a white guy now.
It’s like you didn’t think that through at all before you typed it.
- Apple jirbfhbddI think not having a family is a career limiting move. Either they think you are weird, or you are actually weird, and it affects your promotion choices.
- Palo Alto Networks helping@jirbfhbdd I completely agree with you. You are not taken seriously if you don’t have a family or a wife. They judge you for not following the crowd. I was questioned in an interview if I was married 🙄. I don’t see any correlation with my job and my personal life. I was happy being single then. I see the same issue with my team as all of them are around 40+ except me and most of them have families. You are judged more if your team has more Indians. Not married means you are a kid and you are not taken seriously. I remember a ex-colleague calling me kiddo and I had to warn him seriously 😒. It just sucks. Since then I am making sure I sound little tough in meetings.
- Microsoft SkiLo@Stylus same here. Also all the mom’s Running out, coming in late or leaving leaving early for kids stuff without any care in the world from teammates or management. We’re expected to pick up the slack. All the new benefits that only sweeten things for new parents. I think single people are the under represented minorities in the workplace and society. I dream of a single female-with-cats-parade and a tax write off to match! Lol I kid.Mar 213
- I've been in the industry a long time and my interpersonal skills improved a lot in my early 30s. Being able to play politics and actively defend yourself against backstabbing from managers and coworkers (build alliances or at least open lines of communication with their superiors, etc) is way way more important than anything else. Being able to read people, being able to make friends easily, etc. All of these things are vitally important.
School, GPA, prior work history is all meaningless next to your ability to constantly sell yourself (in ways both obvious and subtle) to coworkers, interviewers and superiors. You're essentially doing a combination popularity contest and bidding war to maximize TC and minimize layoff chance.
- Every place has politics. Just because you're not aware of it doesn't mean your job doesn't have it.
And I don't go stirring up trouble. Playing politics for me is mostly about finding out through back channels that your boss has it in for you instead of finding out when he screws you over later on, or being on good relations with everyone so you get good reviews, etc.
- Amazon / EngDude58Forgetting:
* Staying in the wrong job or company for too long.
* Narrowly defining your role and skill set, failing to challenge yourself, expand and adapt.
* Not being generous, approachable, and helpful. Not essential, but can make a big difference.
- First 4 are laughable, nobody gives a flying f about you gpa, degree and previous experience. Poor technical skills? Read some books, contribute to open source, leetcode away for a half a year and you’re all set. I can kinda agree with social skills but it’s not about being sociowhore, just be a genuinely nice person.
That’s my survivor bias of course but I’ve managed to get a job with TC >400k being an immigrant with poor english, degree from noname uni and I’ve been working at the companies no one ever heard before.
I just hope that’ll give someone a confidence boost they need. Believe in yourself my guys and gals, work smart, be passionate about what you do and of course leetcode.
- Franklin Templeton Investments aCxe73Kids! This poll definitely written by someone who has none.
- Airbnb fundamenPoor technical skills can be worked around by going into management
Poor social skills put a stronger ceiling on your career
- Oh man, I could tell you about this one manager. She was tyrannical to the other women, played favorites with the young good looking men, and LITERALLY slept her way through management and clients to keep her bimbo self in her position.
Now I know and respect a great many women in my field. This manager did a disservice to their entire gender. But much like the Catholic Church her company solved the problem by moving her to a different office...
- Back away from the trigger, that's exactly what I meant. This one manager did a huge amount of damage to the women in the group, and they DID NOT deserve to get hit by all that shrapnel.
In that company, it was rare to see a woman in a leadership role at all. So some people are going to look at her and think, "this is why." That's so damaging and unfair to other women who ARE good role models, and impedes women's progress in the workplace. It's sad, regrettable, and ultimately bad for everyone. Especially because the company itself deserves part of the blame for keeping her in said leadership role.
- Flowroute / OtherxYVT46This is a poorly written poll and makes me think this is your second job out of college. Good luck with what you are looking for.
- eBay thatsitWhere is shitty visa system in the options? Right now my biggest roadblock is h1b
- Having a family is the hardest and best job there is, no corporate job is worth putting over your family. This coming from a family of two corporate working parents with two little kids. They are the reason we go to work every day and also the reason why we rush home to spend more time with them. Life is too short to think a job is the most important thing we have going.
- One thing not on the list- working remotely. Not being visible every day is a recipe for career stagnation.
- Microsoft boltonFor me it was honestly just not realizing when it was time to move on. At least 3 times I stuck around through shitty situations, sometimes created by myself, sometimes by others, trying to make things better.
- Salesforce wtfWFlol GPA? who cares about that or what does it matter in tech world?
The only thing that matters is ability to turn coffee into code thats it.
- Politics! Who gives a fuck about school? Play the game or lose. It literally is that simple.