On only $400M in revenue.
Who's planning on catching this falling knife when they go public?
On only $400M in revenue.
- Getting teams as part of a combo deal doesn't mean employees are using it. MS teams adoption numbers show the number of companies you have access to it, not necessarily using it. Everyone still uses slack and will continue to do so, there is really no other alternative right now.
- Uber @₺?>!Microsoft has never really built their own, innovative products. They've fast followed, or acquired the leader. And then they've often thrown in some anticompetitive practices to lock it all in.
And it's worked.
If it's a store-based platform, bet against Microsoft. If it's anything else, stop looking at traditional product innovation and execution as being particularly relevant.
- Slack is way better than Microsoft teams. They have fair pricing. Easy to use. Will succeed in long run. Microsoft is selling teams as an office 365 bundle otherwise no one will buy it.
- It’s only because they do integrations so well and quickly. It takes a year and two eons for Microsoft to get anything done, so even after acquiring Skype, they are solely inhibited by their own inability to get anything done without circle jerking 12 TPMs and PMs off to get things through...Apr 2715
- Most teams at Microsoft don't require you to use only Microsoft products. At least that's been my experience.
I was on a team once that did require it. However, the reason they did was because they were worried about intellectual property. The story was that a long time ago some open source code was used on a prototype and it inadvertently made its way into a final product. That was before my time, but that was why they were so concerned about it.
Every other team that I've been on could care less what tools you use as long as they're approved. I personally use Teams for meetings and Outlook for email. The rest of my work is done on *nix systems.
- @xtFP08 No it doesn't. It's light years ahead of Skype for Business. I also haven't noticed any resource problems.
I'm not saying I'm a fan of it. I never used Slack much so can't compare. Slack is a more mature product so it's probably better. Teams has been improving rapidly though. A year ago. Everyone at Microsoft still used Skype because Teams was a piece of crap. Now I can't imagine going back.
- @makeitbig I've only used Slack's free tier, but what does it have that Teams doesn't? The only thing that I don't like about Teams is that the persistent chat lazy loads as you scroll farther back. It can make it a pain to find stuff. However, the search feature balances it out.
Other than that, in Teams I can call into meetings, screen share, record meetings, preview and edit Office files, make phone calls, share gifs, make bookmarks, and more.
Also, the video and call quality is light years better than Skype for Business (i.e. Lync).
I have nothing to do with developing Teams. I just genuinely don't understand why Slack is such a better product.Apr 285
- TrueCar / DesignnQkK62I actually think discord is the best chat service I've ever used. It's not suited for business because well it was made for gamers. But if they made a business version, I think they could easily beat slack. Plus their shit is free atm.
Curious what you guys mean by scaling limits. Discord can host thousands of users. Their instant calling is amazing, and if you do screenshare in a dm it's also really good quality
- Slack won’t survive more than 5 years. Microsoft Teams got o365 support and compliance to support fintech, DoD, banks, gov. And ecosystem to help. Slack has a considerable disadvantage.
- Microsoft needs to bring in some better UX! All of Microsoft products, except windows are so boring and serious! Outlook takes ages to load, Skype never works, Teams is depressing! I have no clue why companies even pay for MS platform! It might be big but it is definitely not cool. :)
- At the end who can make money that matters the most, yes, Slack can be used in small companies and small teams. But will a bank, any gov. Agency, fintech company or 500 fortune company will deploy(company wide) Slack, I doubt. And these are the customer those pay a tremendous amount of money. Competing with MS in enterprises space is not an easy task. MS had lots of assets and push behind the MS Teams. It will be interesting to see how slack will compete. They already expressed their in security by publishing full page ad when Teams launched.
- Teams is part of the Microsoft platform. Slack is a chat service...not sure why anyone would invest in them.
- Automattic runs their entire company on slack with no physical real estate. Google runs on Linux with some Mac, and Windows boxes only for developing on Windows. MS products are mediocre, and they are sailing on past forced market share, which got them a lot of vendors and inertia. If hardware support stopped being written for MS first, it would vanish.
- 1)I actually used slack during my MBA before I joined Microsoft. I said so on my previous comment.
2) out of touch is you that think dev is the role that dictates enterprise productivity software. I bet you never worked in non tech. You remind of Snap chat fans before Facebook crushed their gorwth.
3) not saying Slack will cease to exist but it will and is already slowing down it's growth.
- RetailMeNot qtlg72If you notice most of the support for Teams is from Microsoft employees. Reality check: Slack is a hell of a lot of a better product that’s more cross-platform and integration friendly. Video conferencing within it is damn good, and most tech-centric companies that don’t rely on the Microsoft ecosystem prefer it over anything else. Damn great product that has much better pricing practices than anything else out there.
- Better pricing? Why are you lying? Office 365 price per user, which includes Teams, depending on your plan, is comparable or less than the price per user for Slack. Zero reason for any large enterprise to use Slack when they have Teams for free. Not advocating for teams, but stop lying. Slack doesn't make sense when you have Teams for free.
- Slack has better video conferencing, are you sure. Slack can’t have anything built natively other than chat; it relies on the third party only. There are many free users but not much paid. I won’t be surprised. Teams will have 80-90M users in 1 year or so. Slack can’t catch up to that. Slack comparing to Teams is like a knife compared to Nuclear weapon. These arguments were there on Teams launches; all proved wrong. Teams are silently spreading, already have 25M MAU.
- Airbnb 0x00000000@makeitbig “Msft folks should support thejr product”
No. They should think critically about their product and take critical feedback seriously rather than putting their fingers in their ears and shouting when the overwhelming majority of the tech community is telling them that they’re behind. But hey, this has never been Microsoft’s strong suit, so no surprises here.
- Slack did double their revenue every year for the last 3 years. It is very impressive when compared to Uber’s 30% growth
- Potentially dumb question, but what the fuck is Slack blowing all their money on, other than infrastructure? The app hasn't changed much in years, and they don't really advertise. Are they employing too many Project Managers in charge of gluten-free options for office lunch?
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- I had bad exp with talking to their recruiters, seems like none of them knows their business model. I asked very common questions like who do you work with and how do you want to scale other than being considered as a chat app, she responded “We are not a chat app, and ... why would you ask?”
- Teams is so much better than Slack for collaboration and for those who are already in the O365 ecosystem. The thing integrates beautifully.
- If you have used both Slack and Teams, you would know the answer. Teams is significantly superior to Slack when it comes to collaboration.
Here’s a few things: editing office documents within the app, scheduling meetings including a channel and also booking rooms, video calls with a group, a central view of all documents across all Office apps that you have edited or accessed recently. There are several more examples. Slack just falls short in all these areas.
On the cosmetic front, Teams has had dark mode since like forever. Slack just keeps defferring it. On the flip side I totally hate Teams' lack of good keyboard shortcuts. For a company whose products are landmines of shortcuts, Teams is an outlier.
I will give it to Slack for disrupting the communication space, but they are not large enterprise ready.
- Apple Snut EllaSlack is probably better. It’s also largely irrelevant. Teams doesn’t have to be better, it only needs to be good enough. And it is. Why would I buy a third party app with its inherent operational costs and security and compliance concerns when 90% is already included in my enterprise stack?Apr 284
- Roku ⛽️moreSlack is just a chat application with first to mover advantage. There is nothing proprietary there; easy to replicate. I don’t understand why is a chat app going to be a public company. It is just one single product and not a company.
- Teams is way better than Slack and cheaper. Why get Slack when you can have the whole damn Office 365 stack for cheaper??
- Intuit urd jfujhopefully the IPO lets them write a mac app that isn't Electron based
- from Slack's S-1:
- >65 companies in the Fortune 100
- Net Dollar Retention Rate was 143%
- >1,500 3rd-party apps in the Slack App Directory
- Amazon b8t46bThat stat regarding >65 companies is misleading. There may be select teams within 65 of the Fortune 100 that use Slack (some product dev/engineering teams), but they certainly have not rolled out Slack enterprise-wide within those 65 companies. Slack has not cracked the enterprise space yet and will have difficulty doing so when Teams is free. They will need to convince the central IT department within large companies that their product is THAT much better than Teams that it's worth paying for while Teams is free. This will be a tough sell since most ppl outside of product/engineering teams probably don't really care too much about which product they use. My guess is that Slack will probably dominate the SMB space while Teams controls the Enterprise sideApr 291
- The two just hooked up. Huge !
- Slack is fun. It slowly replaces email application too. Already most of them have moved from Skype/Jabber
- Intel HuntingSeems to me many startups are having bubble valuations...single product, making losses, high valuations...
Not only slack...look at Nutanix and Pure storage...and they have hardware to sell.
Slack is better off as its a pure software play...
but I often wonder why one would pay for these services...
- Microsoft doesn't back Yammer enough so this won't happen. Don't believe me? Why did they take the instant messaging feature out of Yammer? Oh right bc Teams would be doing that after it was integrated. Still waiting for integration.
Yammer is a replacement for email and thus it is a much harder sell for teams to use it (and understand it initially). Yammer must be dictated top-down from management for it to be adopted. That being said, I love Yammer and wish everyone would use it
- Fareportal yHaA87Team is not bad but I am worried about adoption we are very productive with slack. Also we are using office 365 sharepoint (useless) and all due to cost cutting we will switch to teams. Anyway Teams is so dull I don’t know who designed it.
even color of team scream do not use not collaborate who put grayish blue color to background
- Nvidia (👍🏼😱🤑)#buyout is what they’re hoping for, specifically from CRM, SAP, FB, who are dramatically lacking a good chat tool for businesses.
- ITG / ITQMbS26moreWorkplace by Facebook has also gained lot of momentum in the last 2-3 years.
- New Gjoq36Should it be a law to show minimum 2 years of profit before an IPO comes into the public market?