Stay In NY or Move To Seattle - 125k More Post Tax

Uber stayorgo
Sep 2 43 Comments

My wife (4 YOE) works for a bank with a TC of ~200k as a PM and I (5 YOE) make ~300k at Uber. Both currently in NYC.

Likely not relevant, but JIC, I have a MS in CS (from a top 20) and she has a BS in Info Tech (from an Ivy).

She recently got an offer (no numbers yet) for a role at Amazon as a senior technical PM that is only in Seattle. The recruiter is clear she would have to interview again for a role in NY. And she probably wouldnt want the extra work/reduced WLB at Amazon for only 50k pay increase in NY.

Not interested in the valley at all.

Given that Seattle is a pretty big tech hub I imagine it will be pretty easy for me to get another SWE job. Uber has said I cant WFH. I, of course, could try to change teams, but with the hiring freeze on most teams, it may be hard.

Amazon will likely (looking at levels.fyi) offer about 50k more a year. Plus the tax savings and COL savings. We can probably expect to save over 100k/year more post tax if I get a similar paying job.

I enjoy Uber and dont want to leave, and she enjoys her bank job, but 100/year more post tax seems crazy to pass up.

No kids, don’t want any for at least 4 years, so that doesn’t come into the equation too much for us. Although 4*100k=400k+ not including investment gains more makes it much easier to feel safe having kids.

Neither of us have lived on the west coast.

We’re a bit worried that the tech scene in Seattle is a bit older/has kids and the “exciting” growth promo project don’t go there.

For those that have lived in both, what are your thoughts on the two cities for high earning tech folks?

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  • You may be underestimating the difficulty of lining up a 300k job with 5 YOE in Seattle. There’s only a handful of companies here paying that well and no guarantee you pass their interviews regardless of how good of a programmer you are, especially if you don’t think it’s possible at Uber.

    Also if she loves her current job 100k might not be worth it for the stress/risk of Amazon.
    Sep 2 2
    • Uber stayorgo
      OP
      Side point, that I forgot to include, I passed HC at G 6 months ago and decided to take Uber before finishing team matching. Recruiter said I had 12 months from date of passing HC to change my mind, so🤞🏻that’s still the case, talking to recruiter at the end of the week.

      But maybe I’m underestimating tech scene in NY, I thought FB Seattle was bigger than NY and of course Microsoft. Wouldn’t want to both work at Amazon.

      Definitely trying to push against our comfort zone and trying to question if we’re being too cushy and burning 100k+/year for a bit of discomfort.
      Sep 2
    • Launchdarkly 🚀⭐
      Agree with that. It's a risky move and your combined TC could wind up being the same overall even with your wife's raise.

      Unless you really want to do it because you want to make a life in Seattle, and this is your chance - I'd say don't do it. Amazon isn't exactly known for their great culture. Sounds like you've both got it good. Stay and appreciate what you have and don't just chase paper.
      Sep 2
  • Facebook TPkX05
    I passed up post-tax TC to be in NYC and don’t regret it one bit
    Sep 2 6
    • Facebook TPkX05
      I haven’t lived in Seattle, it more has to do with how much I love NYC. Seattle is just a different place, depending on the person it could be a better place- just not my thing.
      Sep 2
    • Uber stayorgo
      OP
      Got it. We mostly love NY for the food. We’ve got friends here, but we don’t go out much, so not sure how much of a lifestyle change we’ll miss from NY. We’ve been here for 4+ years already and I’ve been here my entire life.

      Don’t know anyone in Seattle, so figured blind may be able to answer more
      Sep 2
    • Facebook TPkX05
      Makes sense, I wish you the best of luck whatever you choose!
      Sep 2
    • Microsoft Xi JinPing
      Food here sucks balls compared to NYC.
      Sep 2
    • Google Noogler69
      NYC food sucks compared to California
      Sep 4
  • Boeing / Supply/Log Gooblyjuic
    You make a ton of money already in a city you love. Don’t sacrifice that! More opportunities will come your way. I can tell you right now that if you want city life anywhere near the level of NYC, Seattle is not the way to go. You’re trading world class city for world class outdoors coming here (so depending on which you prefer that may influence your decision).
    Sep 2 0
  • Fred Hutch straight🔥
    Hmm, I don't envy your decision. I've seen people go both ways. My neighbors are transplants from NYC and love it here. One of my best friends went from SEA to NYC for fintech and said he's never moving back. FWIW, I would say don't move to Seattle trying to chase TC. People don't move here for that.

    People move to Seattle because of the amazing outdoors, temperate weather, and super laid back lifestyle. Being a tech hub is just a bonus.

    My recommendation is to come out to Seattle for vacation and see if you and your wife could envision living here. If you don't fall in love with it, stay in NYC and enjoy the food, arts, and culture that only NYC can offer.
    Sep 2 2
    • Uber stayorgo
      OP
      Planned a vacation for a month from now, pushing amazon off until then won’t be too hard. will definitely help the decision thanks for insight
      Sep 2
    • Fred Hutch straight🔥
      Cool :-) In the interest of maximizing TC in Seattle, and given that you're at Uber now, check out job openings at a company called Convoy.

      HQ is in Seattle and they are the hottest pre-IPO in town. Like Uber Freight but better and more specialized. Get your foot in the door now and the (inevitable) IPO will put you where you want to be.

      Or just go the safe route with Google or Facebook both of which have a large a growing presence in Seattle.
      Sep 2
  • Amazon iwhd7L
    Seattle tech scene is limited to Amazon and Microsoft and rest all companies with small or "HQ2" presence are affected by the Amazon or Microsoft culture. There is monotony in Seattle's tech scene so you earn a lot but learning is limited.
    Sep 2 1
    • Uber stayorgo
      OP
      Definitely heard about homogeneous jobs/culture. Thanks for insight
      Sep 2
  • Amazon cuang
    Having to reinterview for the same role in nyc is a bunch of recruiter crap. If there’s an open position there contact the hm directly
    Sep 2 2
    • Uber stayorgo
      OP
      Will relay the message and see what recruiter says. Thank you for the insight. Could be there are no openings for this team in NY?
      Sep 2
    • Amazon nononosql
      Just to be clear, it won't be a full loop but just the new team trying to know you more.
      Sep 2
  • Facebook zucc’d
    Would be better if you had made the move to seattle in may, the summers are perfect there. If I were you I would move, 4+ years and a change of scenery will be memorable. You could easily make 400k there if you work at FB but 300-350k at Google is great too.
    Sep 2 1
    • Uber stayorgo
      OP
      I’ll reach out to my FB recruiter from last round of interviews and ask about Seattle. Thank you
      Sep 2
  • Microsoft mmddyyy
    Good post OP. Shared enough details to have meaningful conversation.

    We went through similar exercise recently - Thoroughly “imaging” our new routine will be and what we will miss/ loose from the current city quickly cleared up our mind...

    What do you like?

    Busy city vs relatively laid back coastal, outdoor city?

    Fine dining or raw, fresh food?

    Green scenery or magnificent skylines

    International vs more homogeneous vibe

    IMO - Jobs, TC etc are just ways to achieve what you want...
    Sep 2 2
    • Uber stayorgo
      OP
      All good questions. Will think about those when we visit Seattle. Thank you
      Sep 2
    • Microsoft mmddyyy
      Feel free to DM me. We have live in SF, Seattle and seriously considered moving to NYC
      Sep 2
  • Capital One / Eng Plugh123
    You won't crack 300k at amazon with 5yoe. And L6 PMT will make maybe 220 tops. I'd stay in NY.
    Sep 2 1
    • Uber stayorgo
      OP
      Recruiter said they can get to 250 (wife lied and said she had an offer at 250). Waiting for numbers

      Agreed, my Amazon offer was 270 when I took uber. They wouldn’t negotiate higher. Also don’t want both us to be at same company
      Sep 2
  • Facebook ☀️⛄️
    I have done tech in both places; I love both but prefer Seattle.

    You lose diversity of other professions around you (most people work in tech) and being in a global hub like NY.

    You gain better overall tech jobs and (for me at least) a better culture - less status and showing off, more people hustling without having to brag about how hard they’re working.
    Sep 2 1
    • Uber stayorgo
      OP
      Definitely making a good argument for Seattle, thanks
      Sep 2
  • Facebook Instаgram
    Please don’t come to Seattle. We’ve got flooded with people recently that affected real estate prices and put a leash on TC. Less people we have, higher salaries the top companies are willing to pay and housing stays affordable. Let Seattle remain out hidden gem to enjoy. And it’s raining here all the time, you know, that freeze is awful, etc.
    Sep 2 3
    • Uber stayorgo
      OP
      So don’t come because it’s too good? I got you, I only like 2nd best anyway
      Sep 2
    • New / Acctg vbdCvilF
      Seattle is far from a hidden gem. Everyone knows about it. It’s not like Tuscaloosa just turned into a tech hub overnight and people don’t pay it any mind.
      Sep 2
    • Facebook Instаgram
      *disclaimer: lived in BA for 5+ years before, moved to Seattle
      Sep 2
  • Amazon @citizen
    Have you heard of the Amazon PIP ? Add the Seattle Freeze 🥶 to that.
    That should be enough to think about.
    Personally hate Seattle weather. Love the summer. NYC is awesome 👏 in everything compared to Seattle. Outdoors upstate and travel to Europe is easier.
    Sep 2 1
    • Google / Eng
      Qlan

      Google Eng

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      Qlanmore
      Ski options in NY are shit though.
      Sep 2
  • Tyler Technologies
    batwomann

    Tyler Technologies

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    batwomannmore
    Uhh have you not heard the story about the person who picked up their life to move across the country to work at Amazon but then got the ol' job switch-aroo?
    Sep 2 2
    • Uber stayorgo
      OP
      Link?
      Sep 2
    • New / Acctg vbdCvilF
      My best friend and my brother both just quit Amazon. Horrible work environment.
      Sep 2
  • Amazon @citizen
    What is economy tanks ? What’s the better option then ?
    Sep 2 1
    • Uber stayorgo
      OP
      Economy can also go way up. Amazon first two years cash probably good in recession. But Uber will likely do great in a run-up. So, as always, no arbitrage here that a lowly SWE will find
      Sep 2
  • Zillow Group FwGg88
    No idea how often Amazon TPM are on PIP, try to get that information/metric as well
    Sep 2 0
  • Flowcast lulll
    Where in nyc do you live?
    Sep 2 0
  • Microsoft zoGu32
    Been in tech at NYC, Bay and Seattle (my late 20s)
    NYC - fast, every one is ambitious (including wannabes), culturally authentic food, quality performing arts, fashion conscious/forward, has architectural history, high(est) taxes, extreme but distinct weather, luxury and low cost gateways within fairly close distance
    Seattle - laid back in a good way, folks courteous and friendly, nothing happening after 9pm, the continuous rain during winter which extends till April is depressing, amazing gateways (waterbody, mountains, forests within driving distance), party conversations revolve around how many hiking trails one has conquered, low taxes but bonus and rsu taxed at federal rate, pollen and air quality can be a thing
    Sep 2 0
  • Cognizant shr
    Which apartments are good in Seattle with train or bus transport to downtown ??
    Sep 2 0