Staying at FB vs. Small company

Facebook QhBl71
Mar 26 211 Comments

I have a amazingly well paid job (EM) at FB but recently got an offer from a pre IPO company to do some interesting work. Comp is same (~530k). I am looking to take it as I think company has potential but wanted to throw it out there and see what folks would do in this situation. Am I crazy to make this move?

Edit: YOE - 10 + 2.5 in management. Comp in startup is 270k RSU and rest in cash (base + bonus, refresher not available yet). Not telling the smaller company as they have very few EM roles and I would be obvious as lone one coming from FB
My 4yr cliff is going to be now in May which will drop comp to ~450k

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  • Amazon grtwsa
    fb is the crappiest company among FAANG.
    Mar 27 34
    • Travelport / Eng buttnpushr
      Lol necromancy
      Apr 10
    • Hallmark jafV21
      If you didn't have all of the context you'd think that.
      Apr 10
    • Square / Eng SQ
      Oh did you actually think I kept myself up at night wondering "when will jaV21 respond"? And when I finally fell asleep, woke up in a cold sweat just to check my phone and be disappointed?

      Get over yourself 🙄
      Apr 10
    • Hallmark jafV21
      “Get over yourself” says the narcissistic twat that randomly attempts to diss someone who works at a company he thinks he’s too good for.
      Apr 11
    • Square / Eng SQ
      You started it. Sorry I hurt your feelings cause it rang true.
      Apr 11
  • Amazon / Other Valon
    Don’t, recession is coming
    Mar 27 15
    • New hqWe60
      industry was flagged, what did he say?
      Mar 27
    • Walmart.com / Eng QTFP86
      BSDK, why you guys bringing race in here, just because of typo???
      Mar 27
    • New / Mgmt
      xyz69

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      xyz69more
      No recession is coming, stop with the lazy scare tactics
      Mar 27
    • Northrop Grumman / Eng Crypt0
      Xyz69, it's healthy for a recession... Companies can't figure out shit to sell to generate revenue anymore. Look at Apple's event the other day lol hard to watch..
      Mar 28
    • Adobe jjjx12
      "if you're scared to take risks"...says the guy at MS.

      It's all about the timing of those risks. I don't think a recession is coming, but that's probably not a great time to join a VC startup.
      Mar 28
  • Microsoft skeletox
    Once a friend told me: it’s better to be in the tail of the whale, instead of in the head of the cod fish.
    Mar 27 5
    • Google / Eng
      actim

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      actimmore
      One could make a similar saying but reversed. How do you know which one is true?
      Mar 27
    • Microsoft skeletox
      Good question. Back in the days, we were working on a small company who was closing the doors to the market, because of a big customer who broke the deal with us. The company wasn’t strong enough to support that crisis.
      Mar 27
    • Microsoft skeletox
      Btw, that small company had 200 employees.
      Mar 27
    • Nielsen nqED75
      @skeletox most b2b companies have clients that float their business. Lose that #1 client and everyone's bonus is gonna suck. That doesn't mean they can't be great places to work.
      Mar 27
    • New
      nfs

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      nfsmore
      In my country we say better be the head for foxes rather than tail for lions...
      Mar 27
  • Facebook dasani
    I would absolutely not move
    Mar 26 4
    • Facebook QhBl71
      OP
      Curious as to Why? I do not see myself getting to M2 soon and scope of work can be larger in smaller companies
      Mar 26
    • Facebook netgar
      What’s your goal? If it’s growth and you don’t see those opportunities at Facebook, well.....the answer sounds pretty obvious. If it’s stability then sure, staying might raise the odds.
      Mar 26
    • Facebook fburl
      Small co for growth, big co for stability (and $)
      Mar 27
    • Pandora dipthong
      Love this Facebook team work on this blind post.
      Mar 28
  • Facebook Probe
    Depends how interesting it is.
    Mar 26 0
  • Oracle uNTN08
    I am absolutely fucking stunned by the TC numbers thrown out here. 500 fucking K!! I have taken many small wrong decisions and it took me a LOT of years to save up even 100k for the downpayment on my house. Ah well....
    Mar 27 12
    • Facebook QhBl71
      OP
      I hear you. For me, this number became a reality only after joining FB. Used to be at Msft and total comp was less than 200k 4 years ago as a senior engineer (L63)
      Mar 29
    • Lyft wXfl07
      Absolute numbers are BS a facebooker earning $500k in silicon valley lives on the edge of town in a tiny 40-yr old shack but a midwesterner earning $150k can live like a prince on an estate... $500k is only 220 sq ft of take home pay in a good school district ...
      Mar 29
    • Facebook usefoo
      So Lyft has an office in the Midwest?
      Mar 30
    • Oracle uNTN08
      OP, I am in the same boat and looking around. How much do you think is the avg cost of living including mortgage or rent. Would the total be around 100k say within 25 miles of FB or G in the Bay Area? Even then you are still stashing away about 200k after taxes and living expenses?
      Mar 30
    • Facebook QhBl71
      OP
      For me, it is about 150k of all things included in a year (vacations, kids daycare , mortgage etc).
      Mar 30
  • Microsoft wj77nki
    Take it!! You can always come back to big companies anytime... Once you worked at fb, it's easy to go back I think... So, try something, new and exciting!! Life is too short to give it away to large corps
    Mar 27 0
  • Airbnb somensbke
    Comes down to whether you have belief in the new company. If you have conviction that they will grow and it will be good for you, then do it! It sounds like you want to do it already tbh
    Mar 26 0
  • Google / Eng
    actim

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    actimmore
    Yeah all these people saying "depends on whether you believe in the company" seem to forget that most startups will get slaughtered in the upcoming recession...
    Mar 27 2
    • Amazon / Other ebrg2
      Who says that FB is safe if a recession hampers? FBs market cap is still totally detached from actual revenue and assets. European user are already running away from FB due to its great data privacy record.

      I'd say working for FB isn't any safer than working for some startup. Perhaps that startup will give a much bigger return than Mark Z. would ever be able to provide that E6 employee ;)
      Mar 27
    • Google / Eng
      actim

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      actimmore
      Fb will lose 50% market cap for 3 years yes (like most tech stocks) , but it at least has cash and may even get away without layoffs. Startups will go out if business after a nerve wrecking period of layoffs and delayed paychecks.
      Mar 27
  • Gap urmoma
    "I have a decent job.. 530k" GTFO.. some people..
    Mar 27 4
    • Snapchat / Ops hartmann36
      Seriously
      Mar 27
    • JW Player / Other sHkm62
      maybe 530k lira
      Mar 27
    • Gap urmoma
      530k Venezuelan bolivars
      Mar 27
    • Facebook QhBl71
      OP
      My bad...agree that it’s an arrogant statement and I apologize. It is a ridiculously well paid with a lot of cushion. Getting paid that much and not having any savings before FB has made me quite greedy
      Mar 29
  • Amazon HQ2NoMore
    Is the total comp including non-sellable pre-IPO shares?

    How close is company to IPO? How likely to IPO? If it's not pretty close are you sure have large upside since it's not a slam dunk?
    Mar 27 0
  • Facebook RazPutin
    It's always worth listening to other conversations.

    Like one other person commented, what are your goals. Your real goals. Not your financial ones, but the goals that concern things like your family (if you have a long term partner, etc.). Would taking this position potentially enhance and develop them or jeopardize them? How much do you believe in the Founder(s) and their vision? What is the team like? Is there cohesion or abrasion? Are you being given any Options? If so, what is their strike value relative to projected share value?

    Indeed, moving to a small company affords you the opportunity to be really involved in direction (as long as it aligns with vision) but move for the right reasons.

    :)
    Mar 27 0
  • Expedia / Biz Dev
    VUWe64

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    VUWe64more
    I was once in your situation. I was working at Microsoft and got approach by a pre IPO company with less than 200 people. I turned them down after I struggled with the decision. It was Facebook.
    Mar 28 9
    • Microsoft hdkebdia
      That useless crap could give him a 5M house.
      Mar 28
    • Gigamon / Eng
      chitchor

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      chitchormore
      Thats the irony.. mostly useless things have lot of value in this world
      Mar 28
    • Microsoft hdkebdia
      Yeah useless is the new word for useful perhaps.
      Mar 28
    • Uber
      2muchblind

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      2muchblindmore
      This is why people join small startups and make terrible decisions. Everyone thinks this one’s gonna become a billion dollar company.

      Instead, be at peace knowing you made the right decision given what you knew at the time.
      Mar 28
    • Facebook SuckerSoft
      But now you are in Expedia??
      Mar 30
  • Facebook bootcampur
    M1 can make 500k? After how many years just curious
    Mar 27 8
    • Pinterest Dhdjdnnfux
      M1 == E6?
      Mar 27
    • Facebook RazPutin
      lolz maybe in MPK. Definitely not outside of MPK
      Mar 27
    • Facebook SuckerSoft
      Yeah M1/E6 target is 450K~500k
      Mar 27
    • Facebook QhBl71
      OP
      Yeah, I joined a few years ago but was not swe before and hence initial rsu was lower but incoming M1 do make 500-550k
      Mar 29
    • Facebook SuckerSoft
      I have seen a couple of fb e6 offers with <= 800k stocks. Also saw some with >=1m stocks. It just depends.
      Mar 29
  • Facebook thatlalala
    This is actually a compensation cut if part of that $530k from the startup is paper money. Typically your startup compensation should be like 20% more to mitigate the risks.
    Mar 27 0
  • Salesforce st anger.
    530k?!? Lol.

    Your TC is twice as mine, and I'm quite experienced. I'm just going to find solace by assuming that you put in twice the number of hours at work as I do and your stress level is twice as mine. 😀
    Mar 27 2
    • Facebook QhBl71
      OP
      Stress level is definitely high for me personally and I spend lot of hours including weekends not sure if I am always productive though...
      Mar 29
    • Salesforce st anger.
      Yea? That's why I don't want to be a manager. It's gotta be stressful.

      I stopped working at noon yesterday and literally went to a park and read a book.
      Mar 29
  • Cruise Automation mmb204l2
    Not. At. All!! Making more impact is always better than just being at a plummeting company like FB.
    Mar 27 11
  • Facebook Kid pulls
    From someone who comes from a private comp before fb. Be careful with counting paper money as comp.
    Mar 27 0
  • Facebook is going to eventually going to be a liability on your resume. They are on the wrong side of history.
    Did you already go on campus? I'm always shocked to see how young and kiddy everyone there is. It also explains some of the comments here
    Mar 27 5
    • Facebook chromeo
      That’s an age-ist remark.
      Mar 27
    • It probably is. But it also explains why Facebook is the way it is. It wouldn't be if more experienced people were in commands instead of 2yoe junior devs trying to maximize their TC
      Mar 27
    • Facebook chromeo
      You have no concept of history.
      Mar 27
    • Uber
      2muchblind

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      2muchblindmore
      Idk man, lots of folks on the wrong side of history are treated just fine.

      It’s not like Facebook is the Nazi party or something. Execs at pretty much every FAANG have made shitty, immoral decisions. Doesn’t mean the engineers were responsible.
      Mar 28
    • Of course you are responsible partially. You cannot just hide behind the fact that execs that the decision when it's pretty much in front of you that you make unethical money making decisions. I mean that's the impact you want to have in the world?
      Mar 28
  • Microsoft y0lo
    Why not? If you believe in the new company’s success it can be more rewarding. I bet a large chunk of that TC is stock based, so performance of company is a big factor. Curious - are you E6?
    Mar 27 1
    • Facebook QhBl71
      OP
      Yes, E6
      Mar 27