TC Inside / Twitter Senior Engineer Offer- Need Advice

Google / Eng toblave
Aug 10, 2018 35 Comments

After strong interview performance and nice team fit, looks like I'm at the low end of Twitter's band for equity.

Google Current: L4 / TC 260k / YOE 4

Twitter Offer:

Level/TC avg/Salary/Target bonus/Equity over 4 years/Sign on
Senior/290/165/33/350/20

I have a little leverage from other offers but they are at lower levels. What can I pull off? 325k? 350k? 400k?

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  • Twitter / Eng bahubully
    Do you have a master's? Is this a machine learning role? I think you should push for more equity. Happy that you're considering Twitter as company over other offers.
    Aug 10, 2018 8
    • Twitter / Eng bahubully
      It's not too hard but you should try after some time. Prove yourself a bit and talk to other ml folks in company. Long term the comp for a level is same it's just that during hiring ml is harder so easier to negotiate.
      Aug 11, 2018
    • Google / Eng toblave
      OP
      Makes sense. Will refreshers even out my comp if I stay long term or am I stuck towards the bottom of the band until promotion?
      Aug 11, 2018
    • Twitter / Eng bahubully
      Depends on the team a little bit. But it should even out. A lot of ppl stay senior for a while so it's a wide band and has a lot of scope for increment during refreshers.
      Aug 11, 2018
    • Twitter / Eng bahubully
      I'd recommend joining ASAP to be eligible for refreshers around next April
      Aug 11, 2018
    • Google / Eng toblave
      OP
      I'm looking to make a decision very soon. Is the cutoff at the end of the quarter or sometime sooner?
      Aug 11, 2018
  • Microsoft ShantyTown
    Hey OP, how were the twitter interviews? Lots of dynamic programming? How did you prepare?
    Aug 13, 2018 3
    • Google / Eng toblave
      OP
      I interviewed for a full stack role, these were my rounds (1 of each)

      - practical (frontend)
      - algorithms (whiteboard - Leetcode easy-medium, no DP)
      - system design
      - behavioral and team fit

      I did ~200 Leetcode problems and 1-2 system design problems. I highly recommend system design mock practice if you've never performed one- writing a design doc and collaborating with a team is much different than scaling grilling for 40 minutes.
      Aug 13, 2018
    • Microsoft ShantyTown
      Ah nice, thanks. Was there a pattern to how you chose the questions? How long did it take you to do them?

      I’m currently at 50 meds and managed to get an offer from Amazon and Apple. Shooting for around 200 mediums before I think about Google and Linkeidn.
      Aug 13, 2018
    • Google / Eng toblave
      OP
      I sorted by frequency and worked my way down. Eventually I stopped doing easys (too easy) and hards (prioritizing because of hard deadlines). I spent about 150 hours (guesstimate) over 6 weeks.

      LinkedIn's process felt a little harder. They have a communication session where they grill you on the architecture of a project that you have to explain for an hour. I've never taken a T4 Google interview.
      Aug 13, 2018
  • Apple / Eng cho Chang
    Try Dropbox and snap, and if you’re in Seattle then oracle cloud infrastructure, or if you’re in the Bay Area then LinkedIn. These companies pay well 🙂
    Aug 10, 2018 9
    • Twitter / Eng
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      It’s just levels on Twitter don’t match other places. For us L4 is new grad (swe I) and L5 is SWE II. Level 3 doesn’t exist for tech roles
      Aug 12, 2018
    • Twitter / Eng
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      I am L4 and SWE I
      Aug 12, 2018
    • Google / Eng toblave
      OP
      gotcha. so technically senior is L6 but equivalent to a lot of other senior engineer roles (T5 at Google, E5 at FB, etc.)?
      Aug 12, 2018
    • Twitter / Eng
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      Yes that’s correct
      Aug 12, 2018
    • New BMNh86
      Congrats!

      4 YOE is Senior at Twitter? Is this in SF or Seattle?
      Aug 27, 2018
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    • Apple / Eng cho Chang
      Don’t the refreshers only vest after ur initial grant expires after 4 years, unless u get promoted or something?
      Aug 11, 2018
    • Apple / Eng cho Chang
      Do the refreshers u get begin vesting immediately tho? I’ve seen some twitter folks say that the refreshers happen each year but have delayed vesting so that ur years 1 thru 4 comp remains constant (if no promotion).
      Aug 11, 2018
    • Google / Eng toblave
      OP
      Ah, I thought I was below average based on a few of the posts I've seen on here!
      Aug 11, 2018
  • Twitter Zardoz
    Twitter undercompensates a lot. Not just you. That said, if it’s work you like and also your goal is to live in the city and not commute, then it’s kind of worth it. I would have a hard time putting a dollar value on not commuting to Mountain View anymore...
    Aug 11, 2018 1
    • Google / Eng toblave
      OP
      I love SF too! I was wondering if you have any data points that you can share about undercompensation (numbers, engineer departures, offers declined, etc.)
      Aug 11, 2018
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    • Google / Eng toblave
      OP
      Worried about "the Google stack" and having to switch to a completely different stack in the future. Also, it's a promotion ~2 years ahead of schedule.
      Aug 10, 2018
  • Microsoft TycoB
    I wouldn’t trust twitter stock at this point. Why not try Facebook?
    Aug 10, 2018 1
    • Google / Eng toblave
      OP
      Failed Facebook's system design session- guess I was having a bad day. Twitter's stock is volatile, agreed.
      Aug 10, 2018
  • SoFi pingus
    Also wondering final offer
    Aug 28 0
  • Apple snelq
    What was the final offer?
    Jul 22 0
  • Twitter / Eng
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    notnotomore
    Did you negotiate? If so, what's the final offer?
    Aug 21, 2018 0
  • Twitter Root-user
    IMO not really the low end although maybe not high either. Target bonus 20% is a bit too optimistic though..... I would guess 325k could be possible but 400k definitely impossible for senior.
    Aug 21, 2018 0

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