TN visa to GC, what a f'ing pain

Amazon ax2qtp
Feb 28, 2018 43 Comments

It's done. Had my interview last week and finally got the letter that my GC is being printed. Should be in my hands soon!

But what a horrible experience it's been.

I've been a prisoner in this country for a loooong time because the TN Visa isn't compatible with applying for a GC. You can do it, but then you can't travel, an even when you in theory can travel you live in fear of denial so you don't actually travel anyway.

I missed TWO Christmases at home with my family, TWO Thanksgiving, summer vacation. In all that time only saw my parents twice and my brother once when they visited me. There were factors that delayed my application due to needing to get a bunch of hard to get documents, that just extended the pain.

Strongly urge anyone in a TN to apply for H1b before greencard. TN may seem convenient but IT'S A TRAP. Under H1b I would have been free to come and go and would not have missed out on so much.

Plus I see now how many people are saying their TN got denied at the border after being accepted for years. You live in constant anxiety of being refused entry at any time. Especially these days.

My wait is finally over but it had so much impact on my life and my stress levels for both myself and my wife.

Glad I'm through but it's bittersweet, looking back at all the things I missed out on with family and friends.

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TOP 43 Comments
  • Microsoft Cloudman
    If 2 Christmas’s and 2 thanksgivings are a pain, what about 70 Diwali’s, 70 holis ? Congrats on the blue pill.
    Feb 28, 2018 21
    • Twitch LDsM38
      What is everyone doing here. We are all abused by the fucking US governments.
      Mar 1, 2018
    • Apple / Eng
      Marijuana

      Apple Eng

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      I ain’t got no worries.
      Marijuanamore
      Lol. OP, who avoided traveling, claims things about how bad it is to travel.

      Give me a fucking break. I know a bunch of people who traveled in your situation (TN with approved I-140), none of whom have been denied entry. The worst that happened was being sent to secondary and getting paroled in.
      Mar 2, 2018
    • Amazon ax2qtp
      OP
      Amazon immigration just sent out an email to all managers who have an employee on TN saying that they are all at risk because of recent aggressive CBP action. Many people are being denied.

      But you know a guy...
      Mar 2, 2018
    • Apple / Eng
      Marijuana

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      I ain’t got no worries.
      Marijuanamore
      Sure, things have changed recently due to EO 13788. But those changes are across the board. OP you’re still trying too hard.
      Mar 3, 2018
  • Microsoft HqoA11
    You packed your suitcase and bought a plane ticket and came here, now you nag about being stuck here for two years. I have friends with grad degrees waiting years to win the h1b lottery and every time apply for a reentry visa. Be thankful you had the luxury of using TN, millions don’t and suffer.
    Mar 1, 2018 3
    • Amazon ax2qtp
      OP
      Sure, but I had no idea how painful it was going to be, hence this post to warn others.

      I would not do it again. I'd go h1b. Or at least switch from TN to H1-B before applying GC.

      I don't see how people in h1b suffer, really. I don't plan on retiring in the US. I'll go back home. I'm here to work until then so actually a perpetually renewing capless H1b would have been fine by me even if it never got to GC: You can travel and have a good life under that. Going home for the holidays is no problem. You have a full life.

      But on TN once you file GC there's no going back. Filing that application pretty much guarantees you any future TN entry will be denied. You have to stay inside the US until you complete the GC and you are stuck in limbo until you do.
      Mar 1, 2018
    • Quantcast fidup
      Being on TN, you had no idea how painful and stressful it is. You don't know shit about being on H1 unless you are on H1. So yours is just better of the two evils.
      Mar 1, 2018
    • Amazon ax2qtp
      OP
      Bullshit, TN is way worse than h1b. The only good thing about TN is you can get it fast with no lottery, but it's a horrible visa.

      I should have just entered h1b lottery and applied GC after getting h1b. I'd have 6yrs on TN to win the lottery and then if not go through the horrible experience I just had anyway, during which time I could have freely traveled home on holidays and not lived in fear of crossing they border.

      So much better on h1b.
      Mar 1, 2018
  • TuneIn ibelieve
    Why don't you just treat it as a temporary thing and plan your future elsewhere? It's not like US has monopoly of jobs.
    Mar 1, 2018 4
    • Amazon ax2qtp
      OP
      The jobs here pay much more and while you can renew a TN they get itchy if you renew beyond 6yrs and also your spouse can't work.

      I do plan to retire outside the US so it's "temporary" in that regard, but that's years in the future.
      Mar 1, 2018
    • TuneIn ibelieve
      A few options outside US: Europe, China, other international offices of major tech firms, Canada, Singapore, India
      Mar 1, 2018
    • Amazon ax2qtp
      OP
      Being Canadian and having worked in Canada for a decade I can tell you that tech salaries in my country are half what they are here. I assume it's similar in other places.

      China is interesting to me and I might indeed give that a try one day. That was actually my plan B if the GC got denied. I'm not Chinese but I think it would be fun for a year or two.

      I've been to India. No thanks to living there..
      Mar 1, 2018
    • VMware Raghu
      I hate Silicon Valley, though I’m not tied to any visa, the fact that my profession basically dictates me to live here is a bummer. I love Vancouver but I know I can’t realistically retire there given how ridiculously expensive it is. Unless you are loaded I don’t think you have a choice. And no I don’t want to and I don’t think you would really want to, retire in Idaho or some in the middle of nowhere Canadian equivalents. I know so many people who hate the valley as much as I do yet never bother to retire elsewhere when they actually retire. Pack up and move to a new place is not easy especially after you spent decades working there and laying down your root here and making all of your friends here.
      Mar 1, 2018
  • Microsoft / Eng CrashOverr
    /rant
    Now the important, what was your i-485 receipt date?
    Feb 28, 2018 1
    • Amazon ax2qtp
      OP
      9 or 10 months ago, around May
      Mar 1, 2018
  • Disney / Eng awildsheep
    I can relate totally! Im still on TN (from MX) and changing employers in the near future. But every time I renew I am super stressed. I will definitely switch to H1B if my new employer is up for it.
    Feb 28, 2018 0
  • New Auhfkoe
    Curious what do they ask during the interview?
    Mar 1, 2018 2
    • Amazon ax2qtp
      OP
      More or less it's a review of the forms and follow on questions to your answers.

      They walk through the i140 and AOS form and ask every question on the form ticking them off as they go. Sometimes they challenge your answer or ask for more details. Basically did you lie in the form.

      Check that your medicals are up to date.

      They ask you to describe your job and see if it matches what the lawyers put as your JD. Look at your tax returns to see if you get paid what the form says you do.

      They ask lots of questions about when you got what status and check all your stays in the US to make sure you never overstayed a Visa, that you had valid status when you applied, still have valid status, etc.

      If you have a spouse they ask a bunch of questions to verify you are really legitimately married, look at photos over the years, etc.
      Mar 1, 2018
    • New Auhfkoe
      Thank you!
      Mar 1, 2018
  • Mgmt
    idiot45

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    I get things done in real.life. On blind I switch between trolling and sharing my experience on serious topics. At times its hard to differentiate between two.
    idiot45more
    We need two walls #MAGA to avoid folks like OPs in future.
    Mar 1, 2018 0
  • Apple Elon Musk!
    American immigration is a shit show. You can’t expect the almost seamless immigration experience of Canada to America. Once you see Canada’s simple immigration policy where you get a PR in less than 6months the American system is just the most messed up in the planet. If comp was similar in Canada then I would not even think of coming to USA with this shitty system and no healthcare
    Mar 1, 2018 0
  • Amazon $HighWay$
    It sucks for sure. Did you consider other alternatives like getting H1b ?
    Mar 1, 2018 1
    • Amazon ax2qtp
      OP
      I should have done tn to h1b to GC but I was naive. Words of wisdom to anybody else out there on TN considering GC.
      Mar 1, 2018
  • Visa / Eng Pompee
    Hope we can get you back up to the Free North. Muricans are becoming so arrogant nowadays
    Jun 5 0
  • Microsoft PfrI37
    Why did'nt you use EAD/AP for travelling?
    May 4 0