Take an intersectionality class dumbass

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Jun 9 71 Comments

Saying stuff like this and ignoring history of oppression is how you lose elections. Easy for him to say coming from his place of privilege.

https://twitter.com/andrewyang/status/1137441768645861376

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  • New / Eng hhhjhhh
    Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Jun 9 30
    • Facebook gEKd54
      I did not suggest there is anything biological. Yes - I do think there is currently a big cultural issue and that's very visible when you compare to other marginalized populations. The fact that racism and oppression was present does not simply explain everything else.

      Many of the patterns existing today are relatively new and were not present in the years following slavery.

      I really do recommend the book black rednecks and white liberals by thomas Sowell (Harvard economics professor that also happens to be black, not that I think that matters).

      The patterns of violence, crime, broken families or even preaching style in churches Are not unique to black culture. This was present in the (relatively) failed white south and in northern England where their ancestors came from. It failed in all these places, but present black culture is the only one that persisted.

      I am not ignoring racism, but i think that ignoring some fundamental historic perspective is detrimental to the black community and even if you were able to take all the racism away - things will still be shitty
      Jun 9
    • Credit Karma EllisDee25
      I’m familiar with the booker t school of black community self-improvement type arguments.

      But if you are looking at racism as some kind of bad attitude, you are not understanding it. Redlining has material effects on the wealth of multiple generations of black families. It meant that those workers were stuck in declining home values while suburban workers who did not face redlining built equity. This equity allowed urban working class families to send their children to college, to increase build wealth through homeownership. Meanwhile white Appalachians, white loggers in the pnw, urban black workers, American Indians on reservations were left stranded. Mysteriously drug epidemics seemed to follow the closing of factories and manufacturing shops and automation of various industries.

      It just seems a little too convenient to say every group of poor people are just poor due to their “dysfunctional” culture. And isn’t this argument basically just an update of the same old “well they aren’t civilized” line?
      Jun 9
    • Lyft ihb47
      Here’s another way to look at it, since the 60s we seem to have all the legal framework necessary to ensure that any systematic discrimination outside of the most private parts of life has legal protection

      if we actually had systematic racism in the police forces etc. then we have all the tools necessary to bring those at fault to justice. The fact that we’re not really seeing these evidence driven cases is really telling.

      This definitely feels more like a political emotional narrative used by the left. It’s profoundly ironic how the quest for social justice nearly inevitably results in more Tyranny
      Jun 9
    • Facebook gEKd54
      I actually dont think it is convenient at all - it requires a lot of hard work. A claim that "it is convenient" could be valid if I was a white American and I was shirking off responsibility. I am not.

      I am quite familiar with the wealth building argument. Of course it makes sense, otherwise no one would use it.

      The issue with this argument is that there are a lot of other groups that suffered no less hurdles and was able to still come up on top (or at least in the middle).

      In that sense - my arguement is not that people can push you down- they can. The difference being that people that pushed back hard , ended up succeeded in history (starting from scratch within 1-2 generations). And I'm not referring to pushing back against oppression, but rather to focusing on working up to success. In the us- it is very visible in some immigrant populations.

      Being born to a wealthy family and inheriting everything is easy, but time and time again, it was shown that driven attitudes lead people to succeed. Some Asian populations and Jews out of the holocaust were some good examples. Blacks from the Caribbean is another.
      Jun 9
    • Credit Karma EllisDee25
      Lol, yeah that’s just a very common US fairy tale. Mobility in the US is less than in other similar established industrial powers.

      Re: convenience. I think you misunderstood - or at least I don’t understand your point there. I said it was convenient for people (specifically pundits and politicians and so on) to say, “well the Irish are drunkards and Catholicism stresses obedience over industriousness, so of course they are poor and have to be conscripted into work gangs/black culture is inferior so of course they are poor and we can cut their schools because they don’t want to learn anyway/Those rust-belt white trash never diversified their skills in that two mill town, so it’s their fault they’re poor when the mills got tax breaks to move to Alabama and automate more of their production.” It’s ideologically convenient.

      As far as ethnic group comparisons - first I’ll say that I think your argument treats populations like they exist in isolation. Second these populations are not monolithic. As I said, middle class African Americans have increased their wealth whereas working class African Americans have basically faced depression-like conditions. This is the same with some white groups as well but since white Americans are not treated as a monolith, they get separated out: white trash, rust belt folks etc. There were huge mobility differences between middle class Jewish immigrants and Jewish communal peasants from Eastern Europe. The same with various Asian groups today. (Middle class Asian or black folks or whoever still have to deal with bigotry and social restrictions, but i don’t think this prevents social mobility as much as say 50% youth unemployment in your neighborhood because the media has everyone thinking that poor Black or Vietnamese kids are all thugs and so even retail jobs won’t hire them.)

      When comparing the history of bigotry faced by various groups and mobility, white ethnic groups largely gained mobility at the same time in the US. Partially through a general increase in wealth for working class Americans due to high unionization rates (Polish, Irish, Jewish, etc workers were often central to building the unions). Also socially accepted due to WWII which drew together white workers from various regions and backgrounds in the military (blacks were still segregated in the military) and patriotic propaganda that stressed the US’s egalitarianism vs Nazi racial hierarchy. (Black folks, of course, were left out due to Jim Crow in the south and housing/job restrictions in urban areas)

      I think you seem to see advancement as though each ethnic group is a student in a classroom and they are all taking the same test. But I don’t think history reflects this.
      Jun 9
  • Thank god there is a sane democrat who does not want to go down the sink hole of identity politics, and actually speaks policy
    Jun 9 1
    • Lyft ihb47
      Yeah, I was just probably why the media refuses to Acknowledge he exists
      Jun 9
  • Google ℹ️
    OP is an A+ troll.

    “Identity politics” is a made up label that the racist, homophobic right uses to dismiss anyone who isn’t racist and homophobic simply for not being racist and homophobic.

    Yang isn’t racist or homophobic, so he’s actually doing something interesting here: trying to get the sort of people who are susceptible to dishonest Republican claims of identity politics (the Reddit / tech bro crowd mostly - the sort of people who aren’t really involved in politics) on board with his campaign. Even though his social politics aren’t really different than any other Democrat.

    Of course that needs to not backfire by alienating the Democratic base who is involved in politics enough to see the Republican “identity politics” attacks for the dishonest bs they are.
    Jun 9 16
    • Lyft ihb47
      Well good news, we already have all the legal framework to prevent discrimination even for LGBT whatever’s. It’s a whole lot of virtue signaling for a whole Lotta nothing needed to do
      Jun 10
    • LinkedIn hinted
      Oh there's still plenty to do. Why do you need the government's permission before you can get married?

      Why do 1/4 workers in the US need to first ask the government's permission to work in their current profession?

      Why can the police pull over anyone they don't like and charge them with speeding?

      These are just opportunities to discriminate and punish people those in power don't like.
      Jun 10
    • Lyft ihb47
      You have another list of specific to LGBT whatever’s, that was everyone man
      Jun 10
    • Intel pakajdj88
      Government should get out of the business of licensing marriage.
      Jun 10
    • LinkedIn hinted
      Yeah, that's the problem. The list I gave is how any unpopular group of the day gets discriminated against.

      One day it's Jews, then Irish, then Blacks, then Mexican immigrants, then Japanese, then Muslims, then LGBTQ...

      I'm not interested in discussing which group identity has the most sympathy today. I'm interested in how we learn our lesson and create permanent solutions to eliminate the opportunity for discrimination for all time. "Gay rights", "women's rights"... Instead of the endless victim group fights, why don't we make sure everyone has constitutionally protected rights and be done with it?

      Eliminate licenses (marriage, employment...). Repeal laws that everyone ignores and aren't enforced unless you're black/gay/whatever. Repeal all victimless crime laws -- if I want to consume a substance, you're not helping me by locking me up in jail, making me lose my job and making my kids fatherless.

      There's a lot to do to reverse government overreach from stepping on our rights. It's always the most vulnerable who are most victimized by government.
      Jun 11
  • Credit Karma yir312
    I thought intersectionality was a derogatory term to describe a thought process of clueless liberals.

    It’s actually a class?
    Jun 9 1
  • LinkedIn hinted
    Identity politics is a cancer that degrades the mind and prevents intelligent discourse.
    Jun 9 0
  • Intel pakajdj88
    One of the few things Andrew is right about.
    Jun 9 0
  • Oracle pointeduho
    We didn't have intersessionality class
    Jun 9 3
    • New eeess
      that’s because it wasn’t made up yet
      Jun 9
    • Oracle pointeduho
      Are these offered at like schools inside cult compounds
      Jun 9
    • Google / Eng QrJx75
      I wonder how many credits it was...
      Jun 9
  • Activision Blizzard / Eng choose
    I’m all for identity politics, because it makes the left eat each other and lose elections.

    Case and point in the replies lol
    Jun 9 0
  • OpenTable Meliodas
    Identity politics is about identifying issues that matter to groups of voters, it is nothing new.

    Those saying that identity politics are bad, are typically those that want to discount issues faced by others, because they aren’t impacted by those issues.
    Jun 9 8
    • New / Eng hhhjhhh
      Right-wing chud is an identity.
      Jun 10
    • LinkedIn hinted
      No it isn't. We're talking exclusively about self-labeled, non-political identities.
      Jun 11
    • New / Eng hhhjhhh
      If the cap fits...
      Jun 11
    • LinkedIn hinted
      You clearly don't understand the terms you're using, and don't want to. You sound like Trump.
      Jun 13
    • New / Eng hhhjhhh
      Social and cultural identity are included and nothing in the definition says it has to be self-labeled. It's very broad.
      Jun 13
  • Google wHtB0a
    Asian-Americans will become "honorary" white people in 3... 2... 1...
    Jun 9 1
    • Intel pakajdj88
      If Harvard situation is a good example, we will see. Asian American % has gone up 20% since the lawsuit was filed. Black and Hispanic % of student population did not decline (ie it all came out of the white population).
      Jun 10
  • Groupon / Eng sleepy
    Identity politics was good till it was used to mobilise minority voters. In last few years, worldwide a new batch of leaders have made the identity politics based on the grievances of the majority. Now, it’s all square again.
    Jun 9 0