Talk to John Oliver about unfair H1B situation

Amazon / Eng Dbdaaajahq
Apr 27, 2018 56 Comments

Someone should ask John Oliver to do a peice on what's happening with the recent H1B changes and what the situation already is.
This would at least make the ignorant aware of the current situation.

- Unnecessary RFEs because of vague interpretation of law and no changes to clearly define it.
- H4 work authorization removal - Unfair because most immigration laws support equal status to spouse. (eg: spouse getting green card, spouse getting citizenship). And in general it just seems fair.
- The backlog in green cards and how so many high skilled, contributing, intellectual humans who are not criminals, live in uncertainty affecting many decisions of their lives.

Please don't make it about race or country of origin. Race blind react only ;)

Edit:
Most of the comments here are about how it's a stupid idea.
Well for those who don't think that, maybe send an email to management@avalonuk.com his management company.

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  • Microsoft Lotl
    Most Americans think H1B are unnecessary so I don’t think that’s a scab you want to pick at.
    Apr 27, 2018 12
  • Amazon / Other 👻💀☠️
    Okay, I'm waiting for my H1B lottery results and here's my take:
    Unnecessary RFEs? Really? Have you seen how "consultancy" firms abuse H1B by faking experience in resumes and sending people to work in big companies to take their cut? It's like airport security, not everyone will carry a bomb, but that doesn't mean a few innocent people should be pulled out for detailed checks. It's going make the world a safer place.

    H4 Authorization? Why should anyone's spouse get a low skilled job (which could end up feeding an entire family of locals) just because their husband/wife is "highly skilled"? Now you'll say they aren't doing low skilled jobs. Fine, then do a 1 year Master's degree and get OPT and then get a frikkin H1B. Please don't tell me that their highly skilled spouses don't have money to help with their Master's. I've seen people pay 50-100 as down-payment for their houses.

    The backlog is a genuine issue, but the law was made to increase diversity, not just to have shit loads of people from the same country. If we happen to be from a country with shit loads of people, we should accept the fact and wait it out.

    As far as my case is concerned, I'll leave the country if I don't get H1B. I'd definitely not want my spouse to do any jobs that would deny Americans their jobs. We're in a different country, we should respect their laws and their values. I've seen people from my country shout when people from the poorer neighboring countries come and take our jobs. It's the same with America isn't it? Why this hypocrisy?

    Also, a last note for people who would say that we're making this country great by giving so much in tax money. FYI, we all came here because this was a better place in terms of infrastructure and quality of life and it was better only because of the tax money of the people who lived here.
    Apr 27, 2018 11
    • Apple Okidoki
      I don’t think when grandparents were paying their taxes they had an h1b cap at a specific limit in mind.
      Apr 27, 2018
    • Amazon / Other 👻💀☠️
      Ah. So the cap is to ensure that too many people won't come to United States. And it's doing exactly that. Yes, the lottery system should be changed to a points system like Canada, but the cap should remain the same.
      Apr 27, 2018
    • Amazon / Eng Dbdaaajahq
      OP
      Thank you for your opinions on this. All I hear is that you are happy with the current situation. But your actions look like you want to prevent others from making their situation better.
      Apr 27, 2018
    • Amazon / Other 👻💀☠️
      Like I have a say in anything that the US government decides. I'm just trying to tell people that these things are not atrocities committed by the government, they're doing what they are doing to protect their people.
      Apr 27, 2018
    • Amazon / Eng Dbdaaajahq
      OP
      Just as the user, MAGA2014, who clearly knows more about the country's immigrant history,
      "
      No immigrants to America have ever been “necessary”. Immigrants come here by choice (even if seeking asylum or refuge). There is always a section of residents that dislike immigrants to varying degrees. German, Italian, and Irish immigrants were despised by residents at different times in the history of our great nation. Particular races and nationalities were banned from becoming naturalized citizens.

      Get J. Oliver to make your case. Get the ear of every lobbyist, lawyer, DJ, Rapper, athlete, and CEO you can afford to. Get into the hearts and minds of people. Or get into the wallets of lawmakers.

      Nothing gets done here by quiet, law-abiding, tax-paying sheep. Ours is a nation run by immigrant-hating spawn of immigrants.
      "
      Makes me a bit uncomfortable not to do something about it. :)
      Apr 27, 2018
  • Amazon / Eng Dbdaaajahq
    OP
    Hmm. I think that's what I'm questioning here. A peice that tells their importance in theeconomy.

    Maybe they are unnecessary for the economy. I don't know.
    Apr 27, 2018 5
    • Apple
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      No immigrants to America have ever been “necessary”. Immigrants come here by choice (even if seeking asylum or refuge). There is always a section of residents that dislike immigrants to varying degrees. German, Italian, and Irish immigrants were despised by residents at different times in the history of our great nation. Particular races and nationalities were banned from becoming naturalized citizens.

      Get J. Oliver to make your case. Get the ear of every lobbyist, lawyer, DJ, Rapper, athlete, and CEO you can afford to. Get into the hearts and minds of people. Or get into the wallets of lawmakers.

      Nothing gets done here by quiet, law-abiding, tax-paying sheep. Ours is a nation run by immigrant-hating spawn of immigrants.

      #MAGA
      Apr 27, 2018
    • Amazon / Eng Dbdaaajahq
      OP
      Hahahah. Completely agree. I am a quiet, law-abiding, tax-paying sheep who is asking other quiet, law-abiding, tax-paying sheep to choose one of the options you've listed above. :P
      Apr 27, 2018
    • Snapchat b6d7E
      Revive FWD.us and do some heavy media blitz with good branding. Get a few great stories out there and people will care
      Apr 27, 2018
    • Amazon / Eng Dbdaaajahq
      OP
      Was thinking John Oliver as a more efficient way since he gets paid to do it. Clearly I'm too lazy to even write directly to him.

      We are all sheep and scared. Maybe a non H1b can raise some voice.
      Apr 27, 2018
    • Snapchat b6d7E
      True, John Oliver has a way bigger audience. Will write him and get some friends to too
      Apr 27, 2018
  • Cisco loJH48
    I don’t think he reads blind, send him a note
    Apr 27, 2018 0
  • Amazon / Eng Dbdaaajahq
    OP
    The point is that the laws should be clearer. Not leave room for vague interpretation. If they don't want H1Bs fine. Cancel the program. But for the next generation of H1Bs. Treat the ones already here legally, because of a previous law like humans at least.
    Apr 27, 2018 3
    • Microsoft Lotl
      They shouldn’t change the rules after the fact. Don’t disagree. I just don’t think there’s going to be people clamoring to change it. We’re heading for a significant recession and there will only be more pushback.
      Apr 27, 2018
    • Snapchat b6d7E
      I agree, an agency should not be able to make arbitrary decisions like this that hurt people. Make Congress do any changes. There needs to be a lawsuit against these agencies. A dreamers lawsuit was able to prevent Trump from canceling the program

      https://mobile.nytimes.com/2018/04/24/us/daca-dreamers-trump.html
      Apr 27, 2018
    • Microsoft nutszy
      This is fundamentally incorrect ! Laws which are broken and abused should be changed . I believe the US government is doing the right thing by increasing the scrutiny of applications of an extremely abused program. Not changing anything will further digress the abuse .
      Apr 27, 2018
  • Cognizant Dilly
    I have never understood one thing, L1 dependents are allowed to work whereas H1 dependents are not. Why? Maybe I’m too dumb to get that.
    Apr 27, 2018 4
    • Couchbase stealth..
      L1 is lot more abused when compared to H1B. No minimum wages, no need to show that there aren’t us citizens to do the job, no numerical limit, the employee can’t change the company hence perennially underpaid, spouse can work from day 1. But L1 always escapes the limelight and the rhetoric.

      Classical example of arbitrary and stupid immigration policy of US
      Apr 27, 2018
    • Amazon / Eng Dbdaaajahq
      OP
      Let's not digress here.
      Apr 27, 2018
    • Couchbase stealth..
      I thought this just a rant. Who the fuck cares about what John Oliver says. People will just hear and laugh.

      US congress will not pass any law that favors immigration in the current scenario. For example check the bill HR 392. Inspite of more than 2/3 support in the House, it cannot be passed easily. Try to go back to your home country or plan to move to Canada if you find that you have no way to get green card.

      I say HR 392 because, fighting for H1b is a lost cause. It is supposed to be a temporary visa and is designed to get and keep ppl in laborer mode. Only way out is to get green card
      Apr 27, 2018
    • Amazon / Eng Dbdaaajahq
      OP
      I sincerely believe that more awareness/support in public = more pressure to do something. I could be wrong but this is ONE of the many ways to do it.

      So let's just do it. :)

      Commenting here that it can't be done or will amount to nothing is just a waste of your few seconds honestly.

      You could however suggest better ways/ alternative solutions. (which I guess you did in a convoluted way)
      Apr 27, 2018
  • Microsoft Lotl
    It would be hard to convince most middle Americans that it’s necessary to give visas to people to work at Amazon, only to destroy the jobs where they work in Ohio, for example, and also a second visa to the H1B spouse who will take another job in Seattle that someone already here could fill.
    Apr 27, 2018 0
  • Cisco loJH48
    Great idea
    Apr 27, 2018 0
  • Apple / Eng
    🌮tuesday

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    John Oliver won’t cover this. 1. It’s not scandalous enough. 2. H1B is enormously unpopular and American viewers would be thrilled if it went away. 3. It’s about the unfortunate inconveniences of guest workers who are here getting paid a phenomenal amount of money compared to the average US worker. Viewers aren’t going to give two shits.
    Apr 27, 2018 3
    • Amazon / Eng Dbdaaajahq
      OP
      I can't say about 1 & 2 since there is no data around it. 3 - don't be ashamed of getting paid good. Hopefully you have earned it.
      Apr 27, 2018
    • Microsoft Lotl
      Taco Tuesday gets it.
      Apr 27, 2018
    • Amazon / Eng Dbdaaajahq
      OP
      Well the purpose of the post is anyway to get a few people believe that this can do some good and get them to write to him. :)
      Apr 27, 2018
  • Microsoft UMbR31
    I find it hilarious that you people think American mainstream media will give a rats a** about brown foreign temporary workers joining their 300k FANG jobs getting delayed by a month.
    Apr 27, 2018 2
    • Amazon / Eng Dbdaaajahq
      OP
      Not mainstream media
      Apr 27, 2018
    • Microsoft UMbR31
      John Oliver show has 6 million YouTube subscribers. I'd say that's pretty friggin mainstream.
      Apr 27, 2018
  • Amazon / Eng Dbdaaajahq
    OP
    Did not want to make this thread about convincing people or arguing the best solution of the problem. But if it makes it better for people to understand the value of rewarding the best minds: gle.com/amp/s/kkkk://www.entrepreneur.com/amphtml/288687
    Apr 27, 2018 0
  • Facebook public
    Would totally watch. Admit I do not understand the issues at all beyond h1b is a non immigration visa with dual intent but the immigration backlog for some countries is decades long.
    Apr 27, 2018 0
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    • Microsoft Lotl
      I’m far from a conservative but putting labels like this on people just tarnishes your whole argument.
      Apr 27, 2018
    • Amazon / Eng Dbdaaajahq
      OP
      You're right. It was unnecessary. I can remove it.
      Apr 27, 2018
  • Amazon hUlak
    Liberals don’t give a fuck about high skilled jobs filled by foreigners. If they do give a fuck, it’s because “marginalized,” “diverse” Americans aren’t filling them. In that respect, your pain is their potential gain.

    John Oliver’s audience are liberals. Sorry. Oh, and conservatives don’t give a fuck about you either so don’t bother calling Alex Jones.
    Apr 27, 2018 1
    • Amazon / Eng Dbdaaajahq
      OP
      So true. This scenario is exactly where john Oliver can help. Help in making people giving some fucks about the high skilled labor.

      Put a human face in front of the issue.
      Apr 27, 2018