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Tech Employees Strike?

Undisclosed StrykeTime
Nov 8

Yes, most of us have it better than so many other people in the world, but would you consider going on strike to improve the culture, pay, and other issues not being fixed by HR or leadership?

I am thankful for the life I have. I went to college and came out making six figures as a dev. I get this, but I also understand that I have seen a significant decline in the quality of my current work environment over the past three years. I could just move on (and I might), but I have been thinking about this question for the past week or so...why don’t any people in tech organize? We actually have a lot of power and I’m surprised we have not exercised our muscle by doing this yet.

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    • Google AASJWWW
      We have a pair of something better.
      Nov 8
    • Intel phishwrap
      Horrid conversation
      Nov 8
    • Chase tristo
      All you bullying or harassing OP have been reported / flagged and will be banned from this app shortly.
      Nov 8
    • Citibank Sprinkleme
      Same with you. Just flagged your content. Need an option for “being a biznatch”
      Nov 8
    • Chase tristo
      @sprinkleme, god forbid I find out who you are at citibank and show your boss how you act behind an anonymous name.
      Nov 8
    • Amazon L6SDE
      Clearly you are new to blind tristo
      Nov 8
    • Chase tristo
      Haha....yeah. I am. Gor me.
      Nov 8
    • Flagged by the community.

    • Undisclosed JonyIve!
      Female or snipped?
      Nov 8
  • Uber tttc
    fucking looool at us devs being so coopted that we willingly buy into the narrative that we’re oh so fortunate and lucky that big corps have the compassion to pay us as much as they do. all these perks are just them being charitable right?

    like, come on, don’t be naive, jesus. companies profit 10000x more than labor does, even in tech, and while we’re certainly privileged, that doesn’t mean that collective action is that crazy of an idea

    but of course it’ll never happen bc we willingly act against our own self-interest again and again. in no other industry are professionals so happy to get on their knees. and in no other industry do workers say things like, “if you’re not PASSIONATE and don’t spend 20 hours outside of work on a coding side project, you’re not a *real* dev”

    for other examples see also leetcode and open office floor plans and ageism and shitty obfuscated equity packages as an accepted part of TC and asymmetrical salary information and engineers having to be slowly convinced that it’s ok to negotiate (“if you really love what you do, why do you need more money??”)
    Nov 812
    • Oath Atinlay
      You sound like an entitled Uber driver.
      Nov 8
    • Uber tttc
      lmao ok yahoo
      Nov 8
    • Postmates j0tE14
      tttc you're saying exactly whats been on my mind. I'm sick of people saying I'm entitled because I don't want to be bent over. Yes I do well financially but it doesnt mean I'm not getting shafted in some ways.
      Nov 8
    • Oath Atinlay
      You’re why people hate Millennials
      Nov 8
    • Microsoft gfba68
      unionization would buy us nothing. We have more power as individuals in this market. In 30 years when robots are writing code, that might change. And companies don't profit 100000x more than we do. Simple math will prove that.
      Nov 8
    • Medium IYpG36
      @atinlay you’re why people get walked all over. Telling people they are entitled for pushing back is BS.
      Nov 8
    • Oath Atinlay
      I’m a realist. Go ahead and go on “strike”. Let me know how it works out for you when you’re job hunting.
      Nov 8
    • Undisclosed dajake
      Gfba’s point is that this is an employee’s market. Tech is beyond full employment. You have the power to get what you want simply by quitting and going somewhere else. Guaranteed you’ll have 10 job offers if you interview around now. That’s not the case with unionized labor, hence why it’s unionized.
      Nov 8
    • Wolters Kluwer gtUY05
      Companies doesn't profit 100x? Come to see salaries in emerging markets and then talk.
      Nov 8
    • LinkedIn Ytr
      Preach. You’re spot on.
      Nov 8
  • McAfee Defcon1
    This is the most privileged, 1%, living in a bubble, entitled bullshit thread I’ve ever seen on here.

    It’s one thing to be liberal but to actually believe tech workers need to strike is fucking ridiculous. We are the 1% of the 1%.

    Please get out of the valley every once in awhile and experience life.
    Nov 811
    • LinkedIn Ytr
      Google employees just did a walkout to help end policies that encourage discriminatory practices (eg forced arbitration). You don’t think changing culture and policies for the betterment of women and minorities is something employees should do? BTW unions are most seen outside of SF. Coming from a Midwest union household I can tell you that they would completely support tech workers unionizing. It’s not about entitlement, it’s about the ability to organize and collectively bargain for a better work environment and quality of life.
      Nov 8
    • Google ebgbd
      Unions destroyed Detroit. You can bargain your power out of this country, be my guest. Please explain to me the walkout, I experienced it at first hand. While the original intent was good (calling out the Silicon Valley elite for their abuse of power, corruption and double standards) it was soon coopted by the usual suspects. They lied about this being an issue across the company at every level, they mixed in intersectional feminism, and demanded the increase of power of the "Diversity Officer." It became an astroturd movement masquerading as grassroots.
      Nov 8
    • LinkedIn Ytr
      No... management/execs destroyed Detroit. They made commitments to unions (eg pensions) and then refused to allocate $ towards it. And clearly you experienced the walkout much like a state trooper in Selma witnessed the March to Montgomery. Immediately complaining about intersectional feminism... smh
      Nov 8
    • Google ebgbd
      The original issue had nothing to do with race. This movement was coopted and I pointed it out.

      I think MLK is rolling in his grave. Something about judging people by their character not the color of their skin.
      Nov 8
    • LinkedIn Ytr
      Let me be more clear since you’re not getting it: I’m getting the same perspective from you on the walkout as I would from a state trooper watching the March to Montgomery. Has nothing to do with race. Has everything to do with your perspective on the world. The comment on MLK is ridiculous. The people who marched with him and knew him like John Lewis have said enough about this. Thanks for your uninformed perspective once again.
      Nov 8
    • McAfee Defcon1
      Unions destroyed Detroit. The global 1% make $33,000ish we are the 1% of the global 1%. This is a silly thread that would cause most of you to find out how easily replaceable you are
      Nov 8
    • Google ebgbd
      Ytr, listen, you're holding your nose so high I'm worried you'll knock down a chandelier. You're a nobody to me, your opinion doesn't matter and you don't have the moral high ground just because you think so. You come across as an arrogant prick who's full of himself and that doesn't make you a better person--quite the contrary.
      Nov 8
    • Microsoft Brazuka
      Thank you Defcon. PC college kids in the US are clueless. WE are the world's 0.1%. AND even in the US you are 1% with 400k salary/tc, which many of us here are either there or getting there at some point.

      I remember once in a class about product design in which the professor said to design toilet paper for the world's 1%. People saying to add gold or other stupid things like that. I had to pause discussion to explain that if they were in that class they were already the 1%.
      Nov 9
    • LinkedIn Ytr
      Please, tell me more about myself. Tell me more about how friends who walked out really feel. Tell me more about intersectional feminism ruining the walkout. Tell me more about what MLK would think. You’ve got everything and everyone figured out, even though most of the things you’ve said in this thread are just flat out wrong (eg unions/Detroit, the walkout effects, MLK) and you can’t address that. You come across as a judgmental bigot. Be my guest to continue that.
      Nov 9
    • LinkedIn Ytr
      @brazuka - I think I disagree with your view on unions/labor but I definitely agree with your sentiment on the 1%. That is a great story. There was a question that sometimes got asked in interviews at another tech co - do you consider yourself lucky? Best answer was - absolutely. Born in a good era in a country that had educational institutions and off the bat has access to more resources than 95% of the world. This was from someone who we later found out grew up on food stamps on the south side of Chicago. He had great perspective, was awesome to work with.
      Nov 9
  • Cruise Automation PYEX13
    Could you be more entitled?
    Nov 85
    • Booking.com yOtx44
      Well, she could be you—so the answer is a resounding yes.
      Nov 8
    • Cruise Automation PYEX13
      So it’s entitled now to suggest someone else is acting entitled? Wut.
      Nov 8
    • Apple Bidibidi
      It’s the same logic Trump used to call the black journalist racist yesterday. There’s precedent by the President, so it’s ok.

      (Mega sarcasm)
      Nov 8
    • Amazon Izzypop
      Wtf? I can’t even follow the line of thought in these replies....
      Nov 8
    • Undisclosed ostrich1
      I have noticed this at work too in a finance developer role
      Nov 8
  • Oath Atinlay
    Tech workers are so oppressed. 🙄
    Nov 83
    • Tesla dfka50
      Yeah all of the free snacks and perks are basically micro aggressions
      Nov 8
    • VMware Brett_K
      I know right
      Nov 8
    • Facebook Gkurhhd
      Milk in FB is organic but not from grass-fed cows. This hurts my sensibilities and absolutely unacceptable in modern workplace.

      [on serious note - grass-fed milk verifiably taste better - I did blind test with wife after which we switched to grass fed at home]
      Nov 11
  • Microsoft gfba68
    No. The work environment for most tech workers is extremely good and I think a tech strike would trivialize the experience of those who actually suffer to a certain extent. To more directly answer why tech workers don't organize, it's because we already do have a lot of power individually. Companies fight over us. I don't think organizing would add much to my ability to get what I want.
    Nov 88
    • Microsoft twkh55
      We'd also become the laughing stock of everyone else in the country. Aw poor little baby whining about not enough free food, soda, cadillac health plans and retirement plans, and six figure salaries for sitting in a chair.
      Nov 8
    • Microsoft gfba68
      Professional athletes strike. They are paid a lot more than we are, but they also work far harder and their job is much more difficult
      Nov 8
    • Oath Atinlay
      They’re also under contract and unionized. Neither is good for the tech industry
      Nov 8
    • Microsoft twkh55
      Professional athletes also have a higher chance to lose that nice pay though injury or other shenanigan and ultimately are striking relating to the nature of the work.
      Nov 8
    • Facebook sadboii
      Professional athletes and software engineers are also careers where one makes their peak income in years 5-10 then quickly risk burn out or ageist discrimination.
      Nov 8
    • Microsoft gfba68
      I've been at this 20 years and I'm making my peak income now. If you make your peak income by 30 and are close to burning out, you're doing it wrong.
      Nov 8
    • Tesla dfka50
      Yeah age discrimination is just something old nerds use an excuse for being 45 with no social skills
      Nov 8
    • Microsoft time-bomb
      @gfba68 - thank you, very cogent response. You’re spot on.
      Nov 9
  • Microsoft Grumpy PM
    Jesus fucking christ. The millennial entitlement is ridiculous on blind. You are literally a 1%er or very close most likely. What on Earth do you have to complain about.
    Nov 814
    • Cruise Automation PYEX13
      You can. The rest of the world can look at you with disgust too. You should try flying out of the bubble sometime, maybe talk to some people who live in the country you’re part of, who don’t make 10x their worth. Oh, or in your case, 100,000x your worth.
      Nov 8
    • He said grow a weenie 😂
      Nov 8
    • Cruise Automation PYEX13
      Exactly, that’s how you know he’s a manchild
      Nov 8
    • Amazon nullval
      PYEX13
      That argument makes no sense.
      Just because there's someone less fortunate and worse off than you somewhere in the world, doesn't mean you deserve less or should tolerate everything bad thrown your way.
      Nov 8
    • Credit Karma EllisDee25
      When the transit strike happened a few years back, the local media loved clips of techies in line for ferries complaining about 50k a year being enough and how transit workers were obviously just greedy and spoiled.

      If tech workers went on strike i’m sure the local media would find some 50k a year workers to talk about how tech people are spoiled. It’s just divide and rule.

      We get out of our bubble by supporting teachers and hotel workers in their strikes so that when we have our own issues, they remember which side we were on and they will support us.
      Nov 8
    • It's ok to be a man child. You seem to take yourself way too seriously
      Nov 8
    • Microsoft Grumpy PM
      @wosjcj yes, it would absolutely shock me.
      Nov 8
    • Amazon Wosjcj
      Then you must be true to your Blind name. Both grumpy and shocked all at the same time.

      Get your broad stroke paint brush out.
      Nov 8
    • Cruise Automation PYEX13
      @nullval No, but at a certain point it inarguably just becomes greed to demand more. And even if your religion doesn’t teach greed to be a sin (or lack thereof, where atheists purportedly still have sufficient morals to function in life), history shows that the greedy people often end with their heads cut off =) so there is a reason we shouldn’t all be gluttons and demand every last penny we can.
      Nov 8
    • Credit Karma EllisDee25
      ^funny how it’s greed for workers to want higher pay... but not when business increases utilization or decreases pay. 🤭
      Nov 8
  • Microsoft twkh55
    Have you ever worked outside of the tech industry?
    Nov 86
    • Undisclosed Redmondy
      Steel mill worker in 1902: “yeah, but have you tried working in a coal mine?”
      Nov 8
    • Apple Retcre472
      Uh so it’s bad for tech workers to strike to improve sexual harassment polices, for instance? Things are better so we should just give up?
      Nov 8
    • Amazon Izzypop
      How are you going to “improve” them? Jesus, we already have more sexual harassment policies and training than ever before!! What is that you want?? I swear some people (and is it just me or is this mostly leftists?) Just won’t be happy unless they are complaining about wanting more.
      Nov 8
    • Undisclosed FI/RE🚂
      My first job was minimum wage in fast food.
      Nov 8
    • Undisclosed caught22
      How about some real fucking change in women's status for which these policies and trainings are trying to work as a proxy?
      They are more empowered, vocal and aggressive and unforgiving (suppress-able) this time..
      Nov 8
    • LinkedIn Ytr
      https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/08/technology/google-arbitration-sexual-harassment.html - @izzypop — you asked for examples. and you’ll see the walkout actually worked.
      Nov 8
  • New Oemgee
    I would totally strike. My attitude towards companies have always been “fuck you and pay me”. Greedy upper level management make 7/8 figures a year to discuss bs all day and SWEs doing the work are entitled?

    Fuck them. Seriously, people who say we’re entitled have their head up their ass. Wake up and see where the real privilege is. And fuck you for driving our comp lower by not standing up for your worth. In America nobody will give you anything if they don’t make a hefty profit in the process, so there’s nothing to feel bad about.
    Nov 814
    • Microsoft Brazuka
      Spoiled socialist brat
      Nov 9
    • Microsoft gfba68
      You don't work more than executives. That you think you do is why you aren't one of them
      Nov 9
    • New Oemgee
      ^lazy executive spotted @gfba68
      Nov 9
    • Undisclosed zVEC05
      Nov 9
    • New Oemgee
      Dude I’m not talking about entrepreneurs who take risk. I’m talking about moronic directors in corporate America who don’t know what they’re doing. I don’t have any problem when the higher compensation is justified by the higher risk.
      Nov 9
    • Lol that’s such a shit meme and doesn’t even properly show the average workers mindset. People aren’t mad that execs make money, they’re mad when they make way more than everyone else. No one has a problem with execs getting paid.
      Nov 9
    • Oracle pycharm
      People are mad about how people at the top decide what to do with their money? It’s not your money bud. If you want your money, create your own business. Let’s see then if you’re willing to pay everyone equally.
      Nov 9
    • Microsoft gfba68
      LOL directors who don't know What they're doing. I assure you, they know more than you
      Nov 9
    • New Oemgee
      ^^ lazy director spotted
      Nov 9
    • ^^^ great rebuttal
      Dec 1
  • Box Lens
    Dude! Get a life! You are a spoiled generation that get tons of perks from your job, high salary, becoming to 5% of world population. What else do you want? Massage at the end of the day? A helicopter to pick you up in the morning? Once you face through your first economy recession having to pay your bills, then you will wake up for life!!!!!
    Nov 811
    • Microsoft Brazuka
      5%? Hahaha. We're the top 0.1% of the world's population and top 5% of the US if you're a junior dev. Principal level devs are part of US 1%.
      Nov 9
    • Undisclosed 3xception
      Almost everyone in Bay area is making 6 figures. TC250K single income couple no kids here and I feel I live okay but far from luxury. One child will put me on a paycheck to paycheck life. I certainly dont feel I am prevelidged. But if was not in tech I would definitely not live here.
      Nov 9
    • Microsoft Brazuka
      Maybe your wife should work (in case she has a visa that allows). Me and my wife make (combined) same as you in Seattle and we save 60%+ of our income
      Nov 9
    • VMware 3xception
      I used to live in Seattle. COL way lower than here. No state income is also very helpful. 250k in Bay area is like 300k in Seattle.
      Nov 9
    • Box Lens
      I guess we are changing the topic. We all agree that Bay Area is expensive and will always be. However, the troll that originally posted this post is talking about strike. This is a non-sense of an individual that has no clue what hard life is about. When I started my career in my country, the paycheck was given at noon and we had to run to the grocery store to buy food for the month before the 40% monthly inflation eats your salary. I know we live in a different reality, but complain about our lives as tech folks in Bay Area is at a minimum childish or selfish. I recommend him to read the news and a bit of history.
      Nov 9
    • Undisclosed GetCray
      So move? Your state sucks anyway.
      Nov 9
    • Pure Storage orangeg769
      Agree Lens. OP should go work at a hotel and then they might understand how good theyve got it and what it means to strike.

      You came out of college making six figures? You’re the 1%.
      Nov 9
    • Undisclosed MyDawgs
      I came on college, ALOT. Does that count?
      Nov 9
    • Undisclosed JVev04
      Even if someone earns a high *income*, that’s different than someone who has large amount of *wealth*, who makes money on their money. The latter doesn’t have to work to maintain their lifestyle, the former does. Throw in exorbitant rent, maybe a kid or two, and suddenly that six figure income means living paycheck to paycheck living. Like a shark, if you stop moving you die. Even if the person living off their wealth accumulates the same income, there’s a huge difference between them in terms of freedom, power and privilege. I don’t think it’s helpful or even reflects reality for a high paid worker to identify with VCs or “the 1%.” They have more in common with ordinary, less privileged workers and I think it’s in all of our interests to recognize that.
      Nov 9
    • Microsoft C9T¥*
      I disagree, yes we are not on the streets but there is a growing contractor b citizen population being groomed by tech companies.
      I saw this in film too slowly and slowly eroding full time employees. The guy is just asking a valid question because he sees the writing on the wall.
      Nov 10
  • Uber tttc
    so many people missing the point

    we can be both fortunate and yet realize that we are getting paid *exactly* what we deserve, and no more. this is capitalism

    CEOs and companies don’t give us things for free. there is no such thing as a free lunch. don’t be fucking naive. yes, enjoy your job, but there’s no reason we can’t extract as much value as we can, collectively

    you can bet your ass that recruiters and capital and C suite executives are. only nouveau lower-case-riche not-yet-wealthy people like most high TC engineers here would balk at this

    and this is why devs are beta af and don’t know how to negotiate and are so bad at office politics and money
    Nov 89
    • eBay sudo
      No
      Nov 8
    • Oath Atinlay
      The irony is they DO give free lunch. You’re the one missing the point
      Nov 8
    • Microsoft gfba68
      This is dumb. Nobody is balking at getting the best deal for themselves. A union is just not the way to do that.
      Nov 8
    • Uber tttc
      lmao and you think companies give “free” lunch for no benefit to themselves? c’mon dude

      I was at FB. I guarantee you it’s not because they are just feeling nice
      Nov 8
    • Uber tttc
      @microsoft read the rest of the thread. that is exactly what all the entitled comments are saying. obviously unions and strikes have logistical/practical issues but many devs here are against the very principle of it
      Nov 8
    • LinkedIn Ytr
      I don’t get this either. Look out for yourself, because companies look out for themselves. Are people reacting because they don’t want to accept the realization with all their hard work and doing the right things and pleasing their boss they don’t want to accept the fact they still aren’t getting their fair share?
      Nov 8
    • Microsoft gfba68
      No, that's not what the other comments are saying
      Nov 8
    • Autodesk yJGj20
      Yeah, just look at how it went down with Detroit and the auto industry when they organized.
      Nov 9
    • Microsoft gfba68
      It went quite well in Detroit when they organized. Care to choose another example?
      Nov 9
  • Undisclosed RGOd34
    Work life balance could be improved. Taking advantage of salaried employees and working them to the bone isn’t fair. I’m 33, worked 50+ hour work weeks (with many 55-60+) since college and I’m burnt out. I can’t do this anymore.
    Nov 84
    • Oath Atinlay
      So quit
      Nov 8
    • Microsoft Brazuka
      Plenty of companies with good WLB. I worked 60h average with 80h peaks for 3 years. Best thing I ever did was quit that job despite being "prestigious"..
      Nov 9
    • Salesforce Sadforce
      +1 once you get that branding on your resume, you can run off to more relaxed companies
      Nov 12
    • That's normal in pretty much every segment, nothing special about tech.

      Having recruited every aspect of a company, the company wants to get the most out of salaried people.

      That's really the underlying problem, companies no longer "honor" the 40 hour work week. They claim an hour lunch, but you're there 9 (or more) chowing down a 4 minute lunch to try to keep deadlines from stacking up.
      Nov 20
  • Microsoft avRY62
    Has anyone done a research for tech workers and the cancer rate? We get paid well but a lot of people get sick from all the stress and night and weekend oncalls...
    Nov 89
    • Intel Phs(
      No, but I bet you have the best healthcare on the planet if you do get cancer.
      Nov 8
    • Netflix login
      Bull shit. Go talk to anyone work in hospital or manufacturing settings. Your pager duty is nothing at their level of getting cancer
      Nov 8
    • Microsoft avRY62
      Do you think healthcare is a cure? You are out of yr mind...you should try to volunteer in the hospital during the weekends. Maybe intel offers a cure..
      Nov 8
    • Intel Phs(
      My healthcare saved my children’s lives. I’m thankful to Intel every day for footing the bill.
      Nov 8
    • Undisclosed Pp86
      Begging your employer to spare your children’s lives, only in America
      Nov 8
    • Clover Health doenfh
      Be thankful that you keep Intel alive to offer insurance in the first place.
      Nov 9
    • Microsoft Brazuka
      Tech life is NOT stressful.
      Nov 9
    • Intel Phs(
      Like all things in trade, there was no begging to receive my healthcare: they offered me a job with certain terms and conditions, and I accepted. The fact that it was laughably lucrative compared to most of my classmates going into other industries made me think I was getting away with something.

      And as I frequently say, could be worse than tech life: I could be spending 12 hours a day several miles into the ground mining coal, like my recent ancestry did.
      Nov 9
    • ViaSat okeb30
      Yeah sorry. There are plenty of tech jobs with low stress and good work life balance. All offices have their bad days. No one is forcing people to work at Amazon or Netflix or wherever. You take stressful jobs for double the pay and prestige.
      Nov 9
  • Undisclosed dasnake
    The reason there are no tech unions is because most tech workers can quit and receive 10 competitive job offers within a month or two. That’s not the case with unionized labor. This is an employee’s market, and you vote with where you decide to work.
    Nov 86
    • LinkedIn Ytr
      Sort of. It’s more so that companies provide relatively good wages and good benefits. The having 10 different job offers if you left still wouldn’t change the benefit of collectively bargaining as a group.
      Nov 8
    • Booking.com Testicool
      Do you think wages would be as good if companies were not competing against each other for employees?
      Nov 9
    • LinkedIn Ytr
      You’re right.
      Nov 9
    • This this this! Unions are for undifferentiated labor. Everyone in a specific job and seniority gets the same pay. In tech where we are differentiated this would reward low performers and punish high ones.
      Nov 9
    • LinkedIn Ytr
      That’s not necessarily true. Look at sports unions like MLBPA where top members get 60X of bottom members, based off performance. Unions are not just for undifferentiated labor, but many of the most visible ones are.
      Nov 9
    • Undisclosed JVev04
      A tech workers union may not be critical to avoiding destitution, but the fact that we have options actually gives us even more leverage. We may choose to use it to demand fair hiring practices, work/life balance, input into the technology we create, protection against sexual harassment, or any number of good things rather than focusing on salary like a blue collar union might, but the fundamentals are mostly the same.
      Nov 9
  • Undisclosed 🐶🐴🎪....
    Seriously? You make 6 figures right out of college and you complain? If your work environment, boat load of money, possibly free food and whatever perks are so terrible go to another company. There are people working for tech companies who make crap. The people who deal with the end users abuse and have to beg arrogant people like yourself to fix bugs that you introduce while you wax horror about your environment. Up yours. So glad I’m returning to my former industry. It may be a sausage party but people don’t forget when they struggled.
    Nov 86
    • Undisclosed zipple
      Six figures in the Bay is table stakes to simply survive here.

      You paying 3k for a one bedroom plus huge taxes where you are?
      Nov 8
    • Undisclosed 🐶🐴🎪....
      The choice to live in the prestigious bay area is a CHOICE. People are clawing to work with a FAANG company but then cry foul once they realise the staggering cost of housing and relocate anyway. CHOICE. Same choice I made and now I am choosing to GTFO.

      I currently pay 2k for a studio and huge taxes. And?
      Nov 9
    • Google zipple
      Hey, as long as you understand what it's really like.

      FWIW, I'm making the same choice you are and GTFOing.
      Nov 9
    • Undisclosed 🐶🐴🎪....
      I made an informed choice to move to the bay area. If someone is too enamoured with the shiny stuff to do simple, basic research then they’re morons. Maybe good at what the do but socioeconomic morons.
      Nov 9
    • Google zipple
      Yeah. I'm glad I came, but am ready to leave to AZ where I can keep some of the money I earn.
      Nov 9
    • Undisclosed 🐶🐴🎪....
      Me to; glad I came. I intentionally don’t have much of a social life here, saved tons of money, bicycle everywhere I can and I’m leaving with a fat bank account.
      Nov 9
  • Amazon WoolyScarf
    You can get your point across by leaving the company. Vote with your feet. The reason why I wouldn't strike is because I can easily find comparable employment with less effort and achieve a similar goal of sticking it to them.
    Nov 82
    • Broadcom Ltd. uKwp26
      That’s not easy for everyone though, if some hundreds or thousands get fired, there’s so much competition in the market. CA tech layoffs, 40% fired! 😳 What about those scenarios?
      Also, I did leave a bad team recently but it’s not easy I had to wait 6 months to find a good fit.
      So just coz one manager decided to screw my career I had to suffer it for 6 months.
      Nov 11
    • AT&T DDM2K
      This logic will only carry you as far as the free market will allow - and only as long as there is a talent demand.

      OP is talking about a WORK STOPPAGE significant enough to force the employer’s hand in making immediate concessions to appease the workforce so that they may honor existing customer commitments and not damage their reputation.

      If people leave one at a time and “vote with their feet” there’s negligible impact to the employer and allows them to backfill positions as they vacate. All this BS about “freedom of choice” paints a false dichotomy, both of which involve the individual acting alone, neither of which impact the company much.

      So much for your career progression and income stability when the job market isn’t so rosy and you get laid off, and the highest paying gig pays 50% of your previous salary. How long will it take to recover the difference? With 5 years seniority, what percentage of your department would have to get laid off before your turn came up, assuming LIFO tenure-based RIFs?

      Let there be seniority-based personnel decisions, benefits, and pay, to a certain level. The star performers will continue the pursuit of a fulfilling career above what basic protections are offered in the lower ranks, anyway. These are the same people who’d leave a company voluntarily at 18 years when they could qualify for a pension check for life at 20 or 25.

      Organizing the non-Principals, non-Distinguished Engineers will have no negative impact on the trajectory of the company.
      Nov 12
  • Undisclosed Mcxdgb
    Let's complain about 200-300K average TC that tech workers have.
    Nov 85
    • Google FazanJ
      It isn't complaining. It is raising our market value. Do you think execs feel bad about making more money? Why be such a rube?
      Nov 8
    • Undisclosed Mcxdgb
      Why not rally for people who can't even afford rent working harder than us?
      Nov 8
    • Google FazanJ
      Why don't they rally themselves? BS guilt trips are typical tactic of pro corporate shills. It's why the sociopathic execs love SocJus talking points.
      Nov 8
    • Cruise Automation PYEX13
      Cause they have to work or their families suffer. Ever heard of agriculture? Christ, how did you get hired at Google.
      Nov 8
    • LinkedIn Ytr
      How about we rally for all workers? Don’t care if it’s a baseball union or a trade union or tech union. Important to have collective bargaining.
      Nov 8
  • Microsoft MrsHyde
    Go work on a manufacturing line and tell me you have poor working environments. Better yet, go volunteer in an impoverished area and tell me how bad we have it. Ffs the entitlement is incredible with this one
    Nov 81
    • Undisclosed ostrich1
      Very true. I think the original post was about relative change?
      Nov 8
  • Undisclosed zjlI71
    It's infuriating seeing laborers turn on laborers in this thread. Y'all been brainwashed by the man.
    Nov 914
    • Microsoft gfba68
      To be clear, unions are in no way anti-captialist
      Nov 9
    • Undisclosed zjlI71
      Cool everyone, keep arguing against your own interests.
      Nov 9
    • Microsoft gfba68
      Perhaps you just don't understand what our interests are?
      Nov 9
    • Undisclosed zVEC05
      My interests related to my job:
      1) have a fulfilling career
      2) make as much money of as minimal effort as possible
      3) have time & flexibility to enjoy 2

      Tech does a great job as things stand at fulfilling those.

      Under union:
      1) job is overly regulated to make sure poor engineers don’t look bad. Also tons of PC BS comes in. All this making the workplace dull, uninnovative, & oppressive.
      2) my pay & effort must be adjusted to more closely match the lowest performers. Meaning I make less & have to work more hours.
      3) schedules would be regulated since low performers who would normally be fired are now kept on & need rules to provide structure they can’t impose on themselves.

      Yup, totally going against my own interests.
      Nov 9
    • Microsoft MrsHyde
      I argue for fairness. Fair doesn't always mean my best interest.
      Nov 9
    • Undisclosed JVev04
      OH you don’t like something??? Then QUIT. I love the taste of boots 😎😎😎
      Nov 9
    • Undisclosed JVev04
      Pro athletes have unions and enormous differentials in highest and lowest paid workers. The idea that unions exist to protect lazy workers or push salaries down is complete BS spread by management to prevent unionizing so they can continue to do as they please. Workers in unionized industries earn significantly more on average - including non unionized workers, who get a bump. Everyone thinks they’re a 10x developer though who falls in that 1% of workers who could hypothetically earn more without a union though.
      Nov 9
    • Microsoft MrsHyde
      Pro athletes cannot be easily replaced idiot. You can be easily replaced.
      Nov 9
    • New JVev04
      So let’s get this straight - unions make sense for undifferentiated “unskilled” labor and they make sense for highly differentiated workers like athletes, but workers who fall somewhere in the middle it just couldn’t possibly make sense.

      Sounds reasonable.
      Nov 9
    • Undisclosed zVEC05
      Pro athletes *are* the product and in being the product are put in significant risk. Perhaps if whenever anyone talked unionizing they brought in the major sports reps instead of a local teamster’s union they’d get more interest.

      But again, it’s not like we have bad conditions with stupidly expensive office furniture & computers. A large variety of fair trade, organic, & gluten-free free food. We have flexibility in schedule & work location. Worst any of us have to deal with are idiot middle-managers, on-the-spectrum people saying stupid things, or SJWs getting pissed over every little nothing.

      Yup it’s a hard life.
      Nov 10
  • Walmart.com MaceWindu
    Is this for real? I hear all the time how the rich are so privileged in America. I’m pretty sure that most tech employees make significantly more than the average American and from my experience most fall on the liberal side so they should actually be asking to have a portion of their income donated to the poor so everyone can be equal. Only fair right?
    Nov 86
    • Microsoft gfba68
      that's not what liberals advocate
      Nov 8
    • LinkedIn Ytr
      I mean yes. This is exactly what many liberals advocate. It’s called progressive taxation and increasing the social safety net. So... that’s exactly what they (and me) ask for, and the types of candidates we vote for. The only problem is we end up subsidizing corporate welfare queens like WalMart who don’t pay their employees a living wage...
      Nov 8
    • Amazon Redmondy
      Tech employees have to pay taxes
      Nov 8
    • LinkedIn Ytr
      Your ramblings are incoherent. Good luck with whatever it is you do.
      Nov 8
    • Walmart.com MaceWindu
      Truth is progressives love to tell others what to do with their money but when t comes down to it nothing is stopping them from voluntarily giving their money to those in need. Instead of asking for raisins progressives that make too dollars (tech) workers should be willing to donate a significant amount of their salary to low wage workers. But at the end of the day the dollar is king, we are all capitalist
      Nov 9
    • Microsoft gfba68
      No, that is not what liberals advocate and that's not the purpose of progressive taxation. Equality if outcome is not any liberal's goal
      Nov 9
  • Google FazanJ
    I'm anti SJW but I would support SJWs in a strike just to watch the tech overlords stop pretending like they are humble world citizens. Also for more perks and pay. Collective bargaining is smart. End of story.
    Nov 80
  • Undisclosed PpWl16
    I think relative change is a thing to look out for. In my job I have to maintain all kind of certs, be involved in all these industry organizations, do research, attend various conferences and what not. Employers pay some of it, but most of it I have to do out of pocket. So a considerable part of that awesome tech salary goes into that. Never mind the stress of a high performance job while constantly having to go through education and training while others waste their time watching 'sportsball'. Something has to change. We do have it good, but overall quality of life is crap. If I look around me the number of people with depression or alcoholism because they dont have a personal life is staggering. If I look how much time I put into my job I basically work two full time positions.
    Nov 84
    • Oath Atinlay
      You can quit! Or stop hiding your company
      Nov 8
    • eBay sudo
      Boo hoo I have to work hard to get high TC
      Nov 8
    • Enjoy PpWl16
      True, but I rather want to be part of the solution. We have to recognize that something is seriosuly wrong with the 'modern workplace' and it also affects 'us'. I was working on a major project with global news coverage in 2014. Like most of my coworkers I would leave the office often after 9 PM. I would walk past offices and see people cry in them. There were times where I worked 26 hours, had 4 hours of rest, worked 20, slept 6 and then did another 18 hours...all of that in a dynamic environment with impactful decisions to make. The result was that I gained 50 lbs and had all sorts of health issues. Things need to change
      Nov 8
    • Undisclosed JVev04
      Atinlay - moving jobs isn’t a solution - it’s just running from the problem and does nothing for the next person who comes along. A lot of the toxic culture you’re describing persists I think because I’m tech it is so easy to switch to another high paying job. The company will squeeze as much labor out of you as possible, what do they care if you’re truly “living” or not? Even if gross salary isn’t a major issue, tech workers should organize to demand work life balance and a healthy lifestyle and company culture.
      Nov 9
  • Recession is coming
    Nov 80
  • Boo fucking hoo. Not all of us has the luxury of a free college ride, and making six figures. Is your chair not padded enough?
    Nov 80
  • Adobe WcAh34
    I think the modern day version of a strike for tech employees is just leaving and going to another company. If our work environment doesn’t meet expectations, we just leave and go somewhere that does.
    Nov 80
  • IBM UOsu55
    Organize what?? Are you a fucking coal miner?
    Nov 83
    • IBM UOsu55
      ... in the 1920s
      Nov 8
    • Amazon NeverLookB
      We are coal miners of 21st century. Well paid yet abused.
      Nov 8
    • Microsoft Brazuka
      Most of us dont work at Amazon. My WLB is so good it's ridiculous (and I'm work more hours than most of my team). Even easier than my life when I was a student.
      Nov 9
  • Undisclosed UJiH62
    I feel like I'm overpaid
    Nov 81
    • VMware Brett_K
      No sh!t. Until I see someone with less skill that make about the same amount if not more due to politics...
      Nov 8
  • Flagged by the community.

  • Microsoft Tcogtfu
    I’ve been reading several posts. It’s not about the pay we need to complain. It’s about the way we are treated. The bullies, chauvinists and politics at work. The fact you need to leave the company simply because your manager doesn’t like you and there’s nothing you can do about that except get another job. It’s about all the extra hours and the excessive stress, the lack of WLB. If you make 250k but you spend working in a very stressing environment an average of 12 hours/day then you are not that well paid. And there is more. Got it?
    Nov 86
    • Pinterest dryp77
      Definitely don't get it. Get a new job. Join a different company. This is the real world and life isn't all unicorns and sunshine. Working long hours for large amounts of pay with people who lack human decency is pretty common. Put your big boy panties on and suck it up.
      Nov 9
    • Microsoft gfba68
      Why do you work 12 hours/day? Nobody is forcing you to do that.
      Nov 9
    • Intel Phs(
      You should probably split off 3% of your paycheck to pay a union that will do absolutely nothing to fix the problem.
      Nov 9
    • Microsoft Tcogtfu
      My point is that we usually work in an unhealthy work environment and in some cases, mainly for us women, is not even safe. The fact that exist people with worse working conditions and that we earn a big salary doesn’t mean we cannot complaint to improve our working conditions.
      Nov 9
    • Intel Phs(
      Yep. Do you find you don’t have every access to complain now? Microsoft doesn’t have an anonymous HR line (Intel does)? Imagine working at 99% of jobs where they would tell you to go f*ck yourself if you were complaining your boss is mean or you have to work a lot.

      I also don’t know anyone in tech who really works 60 hours/week, at least if you have a family.
      Nov 9
    • Pinterest dryp77
      Do something more meaningful than suggesting union. Get involved, empower your allies, make change through leadership not throw a union that would what... "strike until all people aren't jerks"?
      Nov 9
  • Amazon Ttttp
    If you need proof that software engineers aren’t smarter than the general population, look no further than this thread. You actually think the tech boom is a permanent facet of the market, and these free lunches and beanbag chairs will be around forever.
    Nov 104
    • Google hTED02
      Finally you get it thank you
      Nov 10
    • Microsoft jPzm21
      Nobody said we couldn’t unionize tech when the boom is over. What benefit would there be now?
      Nov 10
    • Amazon Ttttp
      Because by then it’ll be too late. Every second you spend gobbling down free snacks and parroting the company’s propaganda about meritocracy is another second they’re dumping millions into lobbying to ensure you won’t have that option in 3 years.
      Nov 10
    • Microsoft gfba68
      Nobody thinks the boom will last forever. But unionization and striking will not help us no matter what happens.
      Nov 11
  • CenturyLink brady4goat
    fuck this bullshit!!! All entitled overpaid millenials...flip some burgers and make min wage for a month and then come back n be thankful that y’all millenials at fangul were born with half a brain! Sheesh!!!
    Nov 84
    • Your an idiot and Brady is not the greatest. Greatest cheater maybe.
      Nov 8
    • CenturyLink brady4goat
      ha ha!!! Tell urself that everyday dumbass..watch Brady win 5 more in the next 10 yrs and own ur b*tchass team...!
      Nov 8
    • I don't have a team anymore because fuck the raiders too. Belichick is the great one. Also a cheater, but at least great. And you are obviously a delusional clown
      Nov 8
    • Not surprised. Boston fans are the worst
      Nov 8
  • Google hTED02
    You want to strike privilege class ? Go ahead .... here comes accelerated offshoring ......
    Nov 83
    • Google FazanJ
      LMAO as if they haven't offshored as much as they can already. They already want to offshore but they can't do it fast enough to outrun the need for workers.
      Nov 8
    • Google zargabarg
      I see more red badges than I do employee badges these days. Offshoring is already happening - it's just local.
      Nov 8
    • LinkedIn Ytr
      Zargabarg has it right... it’s the other way around. Tech companies will try more and more offshoring and antilabor practices... then comes the organizing...
      Nov 8
  • Google ebgbd
    Corporations won't listen to anything unless it affects their bottom line. When competition offered better pay and talent started to leave Google they implemented a company-wide pay raise. Vote with your feet and go to a company that treats you better.
    Nov 82
  • Microsoft avRY62
    Try driving an Uber at night, it will make you feel better after work
    Nov 80
  • Compass KeXR56
    Tech workers today are the best case scenario for how the free market economy should work. If you don't like a job or feel. Under payed, move on and find something better. If you feel you don't have the skills, go learn what is in demand.
    Nov 83
    • Broadcom Ltd. uKwp26
      It’s not just about underpaid though, some companies really treat employees badly and still get away with it. A lot of people do leave but it’s a struggle to find new job or new skill.
      The biggest issue is after acquisitions the new company treats people like crap.
      Nov 11
    • Compass KeXR56
      Again that's why it's called employment at will. It works both ways. If telecom is hard to land jobs in, move to something better like IOT, ml, data science. Sure you will take a short term paycut, but think of it as the price you pay for learning a new skill. If that is not an option, there is always an open source project you could contribute to and eventually consult in.
      Nov 11
    • Broadcom Ltd. uKwp26
      I should have mentioned it’s not about paycut, it’s about H1B visa etc. it’s really tough for visa holders when there’s unexpected stuff. At will can’t be both ways coz obviously a company won’t be that affected by 1 person leaving, but the other around is a huge impact in a persons life.
      Nov 11
  • Intel 13b
    Having gone from working night shifts in a gas station through college to this, I'm pretty happy with it.
    Nov 82
    • Google Neopets😍
      And yet you still work at Intel. Good for you man.
      Nov 8
    • Intel 13b
      Gotta start somewhere, I'm just an intern. Pursing a PhD though.
      Nov 8
  • Intel Phs(
    I say try it. My guess is you will be fired and absolutely nothing will change in the universe. Tech workers are vastly overpaid.
    Nov 82
    • Amazon NeverLookB
      Intel employees are overpaid yes.
      Nov 8
    • Intel Phs(
      AWS wouldn’t exist without us. You’re welcome!
      Nov 9
  • Oath Atinlay
    You idiots know all our companies answer to their board of directors and stock holders, right? They aren’t running a charity.
    Nov 82
    • Oracle nahnope
      And neither are we. We arent donating our time, we are being paid for it. There is nothing wrong with try to determine your worth and then seeking out that pay.
      Nov 8
    • Corporate 🤡
      Nov 8
  • eBay sudo
    TIL some tech peeps are entitled ungrateful assholes
    Nov 80
  • Intel enter fred
    The best way to go on strike is to gtfo
    Nov 80
  • Microsoft 642tcl
    All the sheep who bleated in response to your post; that is why there is no collective tech worker power. A lot of sheep who assume grazing in a pasture makes then better than others; they stand convinced they have no real worth if they were to go elsewhere and try to deter others from rising up or growing, out of their fear or change and growth.

    Stuck in place grazing, not even making the companies they work at better since they are sheep with no passion.
    Nov 80
  • Microsoft url_irl
    You're fucking high
    Nov 80
  • Undisclosed yJGj20
    Don’t want to remove those golden cuffs, do we?! High skilled tech workers work in best conditions and most of them are actual shareholders.
    Nov 82
    • Undisclosed JVev04
      Organizing a union and having stock options aren’t mutually exclusive. Having an organized workforce gives you more leverage to acquire an even greater share of the wealth our labor creates.
      Nov 9
    • New kalu212
      Hey @JVev04, I’ve been supporting workers in tech who are trying to figure out how to make collective change & create some worker voice inside their companies. Feel free to msg me if you’d like to chat more.
      Nov 15
  • Bloomberg TREQSlayer
    You can start by joining the Washington Alliance of Technology Workers - http://washtech.org

    That is the only technology workers union.
    Nov 81
  • Undisclosed Pp86
    This thread
    Nov 80
  • Flagged by the community.

    • Undisclosed Ftsb
      Come on!
      Nov 8
    • I’m flagging this. The fact that you used ! Instead of I means you saw the disclaimer and still close to be a childish little boy and write this comment.

      Let’s not go there. Not today. You better delete this before your account is suspended on here.
      Nov 8
    • Don't be a child. You can't handle a bad word?
      Nov 8
    • VMware Brett_K
      Maybe you should type lil Duval in YouTube, blast the volume and live your best life... Smile beach
      Nov 8
    • VMware Brett_K
      And if we want to get technical... What do you call a female 🐕? ;-)
      Nov 8
    • She’s not a dog so it doesn’t matter what you call a female dog. Your point is silly just like your post. You’re a child.
      Nov 8
    • VMware Brett_K
      You really need to listen that song... I thought you were trolling but I'm now convinced you just don't get it. Again type in "lil Duval" in your YouTube search box, blast the volume and....
      Nov 8
    • Microsoft ABACADABAC
      @brett smile b*tch?
      Nov 8
    • Veritas Whoknowsm
      I wouldn't be offended if I was called a dawg...he is asking you to smile with some friendly swearing...stop being so uptight and get your heads out of your arses and the positive side..
      Nov 9
  • Lol. This thread reads exactly like any body of professionals discussing any union both existing and non existing.

    I used to be part of a professional union when I started my tech career. I didn’t get the need for it. Now that I’m smarter and wiser than the n00b new hires I can see what my senior level folks were talking about when defending the importance of a union.

    It’s just hard as hell to form these things. Because it’s all about the money. And people like getting more money for being a top performer. A union tends to normalize the pay across your peers. So you have to be greedy but not selfish at the same time. Because everyone needs to be united with their greed to benefit all of their peers rather than only themselves.
    Nov 88
    • LinkedIn Ytr
      Almost. I don’t think it normalizes pay as much as it bargains for agreements to determine pay by experience or tenure vs performance (or as some would say - management discretion). I don’t think normalization is the issue - a better comparable for what a high impact tech workers union looks like is not public sector unions or the trades, but sports unions such as MLBPA where wages are incredible high and there’s disparity between highest and lowest paid members (60X) - but you have to have at least 2 yrs experience to qualify above minimum salary and work your way up for the next 4 years via arbitration.
      Nov 8
    • LinkedIn TVBw00
      Exactly, unions largely gain power/$$$ through barriers to entry. Members make more money by denying jobs to others willing to do it for less. Whether that is good or bad is subjective and probably depends on the scenario. But it is effectively a cartel (not a bad word).

      Professional organizations like medical doctors are also a de facto union - keep entry low in the name of quality.
      Nov 8
    • LinkedIn Ytr
      Bingo. Nice examples. Definitely labor cartels. Not a bad word in the economic sense.
      Nov 8
    • Agree it depends a lot on the contract. In my case, desk sleepers that barely worked would get a 1.5% raise, and if I busted my butt I’d get a 3-4% raise. I felt the lower performers were protected far too much and the top performers weren’t fairly compensated.

      But one example doesn’t make it the norm.
      Nov 9
    • Is it so bad to get a raise to account for inflation?
      Nov 9
    • No.
      Nov 9
    • Undisclosed JVev04
      If you’re a top performer (which everyone is convinced they are of course), you could lose out on the high end of salary. But you stand to gain in the things that actually have a far greater impact on your happiness and satisfaction in life: reduced hours, increased security, and dare I say a sense of solidarity with your coworkers, rather than a vicious cycle of competition against any and everyone. I’ll take potentially lower pay for a happier life every day of the week and Sunday.
      Nov 9
    • LinkedIn TVBw00
      As a former GM employee, I can tell you that all sounds good, and it is while it lasts. However, it decouples what you make from the market and can make for some really absurd scenarios over time. So much so that your company can go bankrupt, pensions go bankrupt, etc. All that security you thought you had ... poof.

      I watched half my engineering org get laid off. Most of the rest were asked if they wanted to stay at a demotion or two, or receive severance. Plenty of inversions too - low paid junior folks stayed back and later rehired the experience folks back under them. Most who lost jobs had zero transferrable skills because they were so comfortable and'safe'.

      It's never black and white.
      Nov 10
  • Microsoft Tier 1
    I would go on strike if enough other people did too, for the right cause.

    Eg bathroom equality. We have 1 female bathroom for every 1 male bathroom, but many more male engineers than female engineers.

    I’d strike for that.
    Nov 85
    • Prosper Dadahound
      That one is actually quite serious
      Nov 9
    • Microsoft Tier 1
      It really is.

      We actually have more than enough bathrooms but the inequality of who is allowed to use them is a serious problem.

      People often have to go up or down 2+ floors to find an open stall.
      Nov 9
    • LinkedIn Ytr
      Amazing. The problem is not that we have too many male engineers vs female engineers.
      Nov 9
    • Amazon Gr8ful
      Just WOW. I can’t tell if you’re being funny or serious. Since bathroom stalls became a ‘thing’ buildings of all sorts have been built equal. Regardless physiological differences between the sexes that make lines for women’s stalls in theaters, airports, amusement parks, not to mention EVERY single other workplace that isn’t grossly male dominated.

      For the first time, in your entire life, your God given right as a man to never wait for a bathroom stall is violated and you want to organize? Obviously the number of men at your office dwarf that of women so much that the ‘speed factor’ of use that normally runs vastly in your favor due to physiology, runs the other direction a great deal...but I assume some women are allowed to work there, No? Will the few female developers who I’m sure very much enjoy sharing the space with you be allowed to join this ‘union’?

      I suppose architects should add a new category of office type, tech office. Like Medical/dental office space has additional plumbing, ‘tech offices’ would have two multi stall bathrooms on every floor but one much larger than the other one. Obviously the physiological differences between men and women’s ability to hold technical jobs need to be accounted for, right?
      Nov 9
    • Microsoft Tier 1
      You said it yourself.

      My rights are being violated.
      Nov 10
  • Ericsson bwd65
    In the Bay Area I would think that no high tech employees have a union and therefore no strike protection. If you tell your boss you’re on strike they’ll fire you on the spot and hire someone else. So the survey is irrelevant
    Nov 83
    • If one person goes on strike anywhere they will get fired. That is stupid. If a group goes on strike, are they going to fire everyone? Who are they going to hire?
      Nov 9
    • Microsoft Tier 1
      Just don’t tell your manager you’re going on strike. Just say you’re “wfh”.

      The Union can tell management that there’s a strike on.

      Management won’t know who really is wfh and who is striking.
      Nov 9
    • Undisclosed JVev04
      Yeah tech workers are not easily replaced, which gives us enormous leverage - IF we can work through the Silicon Valley mindset where we’re all just temporarily embarrassed VCs and organize tech unions. I work for a pretty great company but I’d help organize one in a heartbeat if I thought we could pull it off. The company and all of the workers would be better off for it.
      Nov 9
  • Enjoy PpWl16
    Not a tech related comment but I have friends working as biotech postdoc researchers for UC Berkley with 5 degrees that make $40,000-50,000. Adds a very special kind of irony when they walk past striking hotel employees that nearly make the same without any degrees. I say we should do it.
    Nov 83
    • Microsoft Brazuka
      Lol, bullshit. They might make less than us but definitely not 40k. Send me the glassdoor link to that.
      Nov 9
    • ViaSat okeb30
      There are plenty of researchers with PhDs at Berkeley making well over six figs. Even a teacher there with minimal research is making way more than $40k. And there are plenty of private industry jobs for phds in science.
      Nov 9
    • Undisclosed JVev04
      Collective action gets the goods.
      Nov 9

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