For people who have worked in both, is their a material difference? Is gaming way more bro culture? ...I've mostly only worked in Riot Games since starting and I'm curious to see what others think
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- Wells Fargo bramageIf you’re a straight (white mostly) bro and can hold your liquor (and other chemicals) while working 18 hour work days for lesser pay with no guarantee of a job from month to month go for it. After 10 years working in that space I bailed.
- Facebook Lni0HbI would definitely say companies like Riot Games are a lot more bro culture-y due to Leage culture compared to tech companies. I wouldn't say Riot is conservative, but i'd just say a lot of tech companies are a lot more liberal and open.
- I love how people in this thread making comments without actually working in both places. Unless Facebook person actually has worked in both places it's just whacky to somehow believe it. Did you read it in an article on Kotaku? Is that the basis of your knowledge?
Aura, that sounds like a pretty serious allegation. I mean... If it's true you've got to believe that the external law firm Seyfarth Shaw who investigated the claim and are purely incented to protect Riot from illegal action are so incompetent or self-destructive that they would for some completely implausible reasob take the side of this manager who they have no connection with and don't even know. Why would that law firm be so desperate to ruin their own reputations for this individual?Jul 13 4
- Totally. We work ‘hard’ as in ‘a lot’ but that doesn’t mean we work smart of efficiently.
Some of the things people get away with here would have gotten them in trouble at FAANG.
- WB Games spvI have worked in both. Broish cultures can be part of either type of company. The main differences I find between the two have to do with the type of professionalism and social groups. At game studios, there's a more laid back type of professionalism. More people tend to be social, with more social events. Outside of the game industry, I find a less social company culture that does not usually have as close knit social circles. Since people in gaming tend to have common hobbies, there's more for them to naturally talk about.
- Riot Games / Eng ARioterThe main difference I've seen isn't the "broish" culture others are citing. That exists in both realms depending on the company. However at companies like Riot, there is much more of a tendency to hire people who are fresh out of college or have never worked outside of games. The result is a huge contingent of people who are overly entitled and don't have a grasp on the realities of working in a professional environment, for a for-profit corporation.
- Microsoft blinkd182I worked hard to become a game dev and then went to work in tech instead 😂. Tech culture is amazing. Now I’m an ar engineer. You can basically just bring your game dev knowledge to tech and have the better culture where you aren’t underpaid and working in shitty conditions.
Just be sure you join the right team. Ads, storage infra, etc, are no place for a game dev. It’s a good thing tech companies are going all in on ar/vr now and need people like us.
- I've worked in both and apart from the bro culture which I think was more prevelant at Riot 5 years ago than it is now, there is also a lot more misalignment at tech companies about what the actual culture is. Bro-ness aside, at least people at Riot come at things from a player standpoint. In tech they don't really strongly interview for or have a good idea what their culture is, so you get people who are there for all kinds of reasons - to solve hard problems, to get free food, because the name is prestigious, to solve problems they care about, etc. Most people who take the sacrifices to be in games do so because they love games and there's no single unifier like that in the broader tech industry. You also can't assume your coworkers have played Destiny or whatever, because most of them probably don't even play video games
- If really depends on the company. Riot isn’t really ‘bro’. I don’t see displays of juvenile masculinity, disrespect of women, etc. it’s also less cult of personality than some o the other game cos, meaning it doesn’t have that. We also don’t have a broad drinking culture, and senior leaders aren’t really friends with each other outside of work. So, not bro.
- Do you think those 2 people would rather none of it came out so they didn't have to have those moments of discomfort? How do you think they'd feel knowing you were using their experiences to somehow argue against something something women coming forward with sexual harassment and mistreatment complaints?
Like, what even are you trying to prove here?
- I think those people have been made to feel really bad about their situation by concerned people outside the company, and I don’t think they deserve to feel bad.
Are you saying they should suffer for something that has nothing to do with them and that dealing with this is a necessary cost? That’s a bold moral stance to take.
Why aren’t you upset that some guys are paternalistically making women feel bad if you are in fact the ally of women you are positioning yourself as? Why are you jumping to assuming I am lying and then to attacking my ethics? If you care about women you should be open to seeing all related sides of the story. You aren’t.
- Sure, it's a bad thing. But, on a thread about the actions of riot the company, what point are you trying to make? That the harassment and mishandling by the company has had far reaching effects, including the ones that you're talking about? Yes, I agree. It's shitty. If only riot hr had handled this, so your women colleagues didn't have to deal with this shit.4d 1
- Try working at Twitch, both gaming and tech and literally the worst of both combined.
- Twitch is a tech/gaming hybrid so they don’t require employees to be into gaming (they said this in interviews and in welcome orientation) and a lot outside low-mid engineering levels aren’t. Tough to make the best product for gamers when a lot of employees aren’t as passionate about gaming. I really do believe this has hurt Twitch product and growth but they are pretty much unrivaled in the area so they have no real incentive to fix.
Racism there definitely goes unchecked in a lot of passive aggressive ways. Had a coworker openly talk in the cafeteria with coworkers how she could “never take a non white guy home”. Another coworker was introduced specifically BY HR to other black people because “there isn’t many of you here”.
Sexism as a woman I didn’t see too much of to your face although bro culture is alive. Most negativity actually was from other women who weren’t into gaming and felt threatened by the fact I was. Upper management would come to me about projects, etc first because I actually play games.
The majority of sexism comes if you have the misfortune of ever dealing with influencers. Female event/partnerships team has been groped, harassed and had disgusting comments made to them that is ultimately just brushed under the rug because Twitch’s bread and butter is influencer partnerships with brands. Getting an influencer suspended by reporting their actions toward you or even bad behavior on stream could cost the company thousands and effect future branding opportunities as non endemic companies are already skeptical of brand image when they associate with gaming.
Additionally from my talks with the people in sales/biz dev who had charge accounts. The reckless borderline stealing use of them. Senior managers would literally tell you to lie about expenses and what you were getting reimbursed for.
There is also the Amazon culture of backstabbing and random firings for no reason but someone didn’t like you is definitely a thing. My first week a senior employee who was super nice, diligent and helpful trained me and then was fired out of the blue due to politics.
That said it’s not all a bad time, perks are crazy you just need to make sure you get on a good team and kiss ass to the right people and can stomach the sexism/racism you do encounter.Jul 13 1
- A lot of folks here in tech looking down on games when their companies have been caught paying women $200/hour to attend their Christmas parties, are Photoshopping women into company photos and many other things.
Folks are so quick to forget about Andy Rubin or their own scandals... The hypocracy sucks.
I want Riot to be better and I'm actually pretty excited by a lot of the changes we are making to the company. But imagine thinking it's materially worse than tech 😂. And imagine thinking that tech is worse than banking!
- Reddit y3cg9aGames industry is was more culturally tight (most everyone tries to look out for each other; support each other). It doesn’t evolve as quickly or often, so your skills can get a bite stale. Lifestyle is hard; I have so many friends who move from state-to-state 2, 3 times a year. The hours are insane.
Comp is probably better in Tech. Faster pace. A little more secure and more career flexibility given the greater volume of jobs.
I like Tech better personally.
- What kind of comp is there at gaming companies for Senior Eng? ( L5 at G/F, 10 yoe, usual TC at F is around 300-400k)
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A lot of times one team at a company is not going to be the same culture as another team at that same company.
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- MZ NoctisI came to MZ after working at another start up tech company, and before that worked for a different game company.
Bro culture is definitely more prevalent at game companies. But, in my experience, not the toxic bro culture.
- I couldn’t figure what went wrong in my interview with MZ earlier. I see mostly European bros. Looks like they have already selected candidate but just done the interview as a process. Ya one guy asked me if I came there with any reference while doing the interview. After interview he gave me best of luck and left.
Maybe I am wrong but that’s what my impression was