Thanks Blind. My success story.

Apple bdvahsh
Oct 16 87 Comments

Had a horrible manager at my last team at Amazon, who put me on dev plan, to save his as$. Then I was attacked verbally and physically by one of the teammates simply because I "disagreed and committed" instead of "agreeing and committing". (Yea, physically too. A 5 years old kid is more mature than him). Reporting to the HR didn't do anything. So I started to LC. Solved 100 questions, in about 3 months (1.5 hours per day, excluding weekends). Took my remaining 1.5 weeks of PTO to do the onsites, one after the other:
Failed G onsite (the feedback was that I was extremely close and solved the questions optimally, but I needed to be faster.)
Fb: Recruiter said they didn't have open positions for E4.
Got offers from Lyft, MS, Oracle, Airbnb, Uber and Apple.
Chose Apple at the end because of their highest TC and good WLB.
Yoe: 4
Apple TC: 360k, ICT4
Amazon's TC: 160k

Thanks to everyone who provided great info on Blind.

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TOP 87 Comments
  • Facebook ⭕w⭕
    Physically? Like he slapped you or something?
    Oct 16 10
    • Facebook ⭕w⭕
      how can he slap?!
      Oct 16
    • Lyft VeUe76
      You can also tell HR at Amazon that you’re considering legal actions (talk to a lawyer before) if they don’t look at the case
      Oct 16
    • Apple bdvahsh
      OP
      Haha, I already did tell them (while I was there) and they laughed. Yes, my manager was L7, so he's pretty powerful.
      Oct 16
    • New MITftw
      Did they actually take any action against him? Did he get off easily?
      Oct 16
    • Apple bdvahsh
      OP
      No. They simply said the incident didn't happen. So not only they didn't do anything to him, but also they denied its existence.
      FYI the incident happened in the team area in front of 6 teammates.
      Oct 16
  • Cadence / Eng
    pretzle

    Cadence Eng

    PRE
    Intel Corporation
    pretzlemore
    160 to 360!!!! Congrats OP, genuinely happy for you.

    I feel so lame to be in HW.
    Oct 16 7
    • Apple bdvahsh
      OP
      Sorry, it's just a phrase I'm used to it.
      Thanks girl!
      Oct 16
    • Cadence / Eng
      pretzle

      Cadence Eng

      PRE
      Intel Corporation
      pretzlemore
      Yes I figured! But you assumed I am a dude. It's all cool. You did great again!
      Oct 16
    • Fannie Mae tibco
      I say man like dude... Which I don't really mean someone's gender.
      Oct 16
    • Cadence / Eng
      pretzle

      Cadence Eng

      PRE
      Intel Corporation
      pretzlemore
      It's all cool men of blind! I can handle that phrase :)
      Oct 16
    • Google gewg
      It's funny how people defend their position when they assume someone's gender in tech as male. The predominant gender in tech is male. That's just how it is, so probabilistically you would always tend to guess male and have more than 50% chance of being correct.
      Oct 30
  • Cisco / Eng
    busty

    Cisco Eng

    BIO
    Busty Latina
    bustymore
    Is the culture at Amazon really that bad where you have to blindly take orders from a superior *that could have no clue wtf they’re talking about* just because the culture says so?
    Oct 16 10
    • Apple bdvahsh
      OP
      He's Indian. I've had great Indian teammates (in other teams), but that horrible teammate and the manager were both Indian too.
      I honestly don't think it's a race thing.
      Oct 16
    • Amazon / Eng bujl03
      Can't say about Amazon in general. But I am new to Amazon (About 6 months) but as far as my experience goes I find it to be true. My Sr. SDE and manager just refuses to listen to anything I have to say. I just have to follow orders even when I know thats total BS.
      Oct 16
    • Apple bogle
      @OP, what is your race? he really slapped you just because you disagreed with them???
      Oct 16
    • Apple bdvahsh
      OP
      I didn't say he slapped me, I said slap was a close thing to what he did to me.
      And yes, simply because he couldn't take my very polite disagreement, he exploded! But I'm very positive that if he wasn't sure about the backup from the HR and the manager, he wouldn't have done it. He knew HR and the manager would stand for whatever he did. He's in general a very rude person (cut people off in the middle of their talk, assaults people verbally and then laughs trying to convert it to a joke, doesn't take any negative feedback, talks negatively about almost everyone, etc.)
      Oct 16
    • Amazon lznn61
      I think a lot of the bad breed in Tech is Indian. This is understandable because many of these people are insecure af and need to carry a huge ego with them. They get away with it because you say something against Indians and its immediately tagged as racist. Plus its also a cultural thing with Indian men typically that they cannot stand their ideas being questioned and have a need to somehow be the smartest person in the room.
      Oct 17
  • Google topCon
    Disagree and assault.

    Congrats!
    Oct 16 0
  • Amazon RirA15
    Congrats man I'm trying to leave amazon ass well! How were the interview difficulties for each companies? Also what was your LC breakdown? Easy, med and had?
    Oct 16 1
    • Apple bdvahsh
      OP
      Don't remember exactly but like 20/60/20.
      G, U, and Apple were not easy (DP, graph). MS, Lyft and Airbnb were so so (no DP, mostly LC medium).
      Oracle was laughably easy!
      Oct 16
  • Wells Fargo seeyeeyeo
    Can u comment on this "disagreed and committed" . R you saying you committed the code even though ur mgr and teammate disagreed?
    Oct 16 3
    • Apple bdvahsh
      OP
      No. Disagree and commit is one of Amazon leadership principles. It means if you're in a conflict with others and can't agree with what they say, to unblock the project, commit to what they say even if you still disagree with it. So for example if you say we need to do it in way X, and your teammate says no it has to be in way Y, and you can't convince each other to agree on X or Y or anything, it's ok to stay in disagreement but commit to X so the project gets unblocked.
      This is a very well known principle at Amazon. I followed it (disagreed with what he was proposing but still committed to it, i.e. implemented it), but he wasn't happy with my disagreement and wanted to force me to agree.
      Oct 16
    • Snapchat / Eng Romantico
      It means you run with whatever decision was made at the end, without secretly pushing back. You discuss openly first, but commit to whatever was decided.
      Oct 16
    • Google topCon
      At the end of the day, this called... collaboration
      Oct 17
  • Lyft VeUe76
    That’s amazing congrats! What are the levels and TC for the other offers you got (lyft, ms, Oracle, Airbnb, Uber)?
    Oct 16 6
    • Lyft VeUe76
      Nice! Are they L4 offers or L5 (senior)? Your Apple offer is pretty strong. You should interview as E5 at Facebook. I did earlier this year at 4 yoe too and got a ~500k offer
      Oct 16
    • Apple bdvahsh
      OP
      Yes, all were for senior, except U. Fb recruiter didn't accept me for E5 with 4 yoe. He kept saying they need at least 6 yoe. I even had a referral too.
      500k is great with 4 yoe. Congratulations! Why didn't you go?
      Oct 16
    • Lyft VeUe76
      Do you have equivalent title at amazon? What helped me was that I had senior title at Google as well. I ended up choosing Lyft because of the team (~420k TC) so didn’t have the chance to enjoy the 500k from FB haha
      Oct 16
    • Apple bdvahsh
      OP
      No at Amazon I was L5. I don't know ANYBODY who is L6 (senior) at Amazon with only 4 yoe.
      I know G/Fb do that, but not Amazon.
      Oct 16
    • Lyft VeUe76
      It’s rare at Google as well. Average for 3-5 promo is over 5 yrs. L6 at amazon is usually leveled at 5 at Google. Levels.fyi has a pretty good level mapping.

      At the end of the day it all comes down to the interview results though (how good are the projects you talk about, how well you do at coding/system design) so 4 yoe getting senior at Facebook/Google is not impossible.
      Oct 16
  • Amazon / Eng bujl03
    Thanks for the motivation friend. I have been at Amazon only for 6 months and I am already considering leaving.
    Oct 16 6
    • Google topCon
      Did you get assaulted too?
      Oct 16
    • Qualcomm / Eng dynasty001
      That bad within 6 months !???
      Nov 4
    • Amazon / Eng bujl03
      @TopCon no not that bad.
      Nov 4
    • Amazon / Eng bujl03
      @dynasty001. Yep
      Nov 4
    • Amazon / Eng bujl03
      @OP although I have been ta Amazon for only 6 months my transfer took way took long post the interview. So it's been like almost a year I opened leetcode. Having said that I have already started leetcode for the past 2 weeks. Hoping to get into other FANG. fingers crossed
      Nov 4
  • Fannie Mae tibco
    How did you get all those interviews and manage to schedule them close together? I assume you told your manager you were going on "vacation"?
    Oct 16 3
    • Apple bdvahsh
      OP
      It's PTO (my vacation time). Yes, I simply said I want to go on vacation. I didn't specify a location for my vacation, and told the team that I might be in and out of town (in case I ran into them in a grocery!).
      I worked with the recruiters to line up the onsites that way. Usually companies let YOU choose the onsite date, as long as you schedule it well ahead of time (like 3 weeks ahead).
      Oct 16
    • Fannie Mae tibco
      How did you get the interviews though? Referrals, hit up on LinkedIn, etc?
      Oct 16
    • Apple bdvahsh
      OP
      Referrals and LinkedIn. I had referral for Apple and Fb (didn't interview with Fb though, just got the recruiter call saying they didn't have open positions). For the rest recruiters contacted me on LinkedIn.
      Oct 16
  • Google parenti
    You have a good case to sue Amazon. I used to be at Amazon and had an ex colleague sue them after a similar toxic experience and earn a big settlement.
    Oct 16 1
    • Apple bdvahsh
      OP
      I might do so later on, when I establish my feet at Apple. I don't want to do it right now, because I'm still new and don't want my career to be sabotaged by that horrible teammate, as a defense mechanism. Especially that HR didn't do anything about it, it makes me believe that if I start a war, HR and Amazon in whole will try to defend HR's decision (i.e. not doing anything when I reported it) and my assumption is that their lawyers are stronger than whoever I hire.
      Oct 16
  • Goldman Sachs baburao1
    Can you share interview experience with Apple?
    Oct 16 3
    • Apple bdvahsh
      OP
      1 phone screen (obviously technical, easy-medium LC).
      1 phone screen with the manager (leadership and design questions).
      5 interviews during the onsite: 2 coding (1 DP), 2 design, 1 mixed coding and design.
      1 final phone call with the skip manager for team match.
      Oct 16
    • Capital One wEmd21
      How did u study for design?
      Oct 16
    • Apple bdvahsh
      OP
      I honestly didn't. My design was already shaped at Amazon. I knew my design was good and I needed to improve my LC, so I focused on that.
      Oct 16
  • New / Eng fqIz01
    Congrats on the change.

    I've heard some horror stories about select teams at AMZ, and have had a couple of onsite interview loops with them over the last 5 years. I've never had a positive experience in their interview loop, even when I know that I've performed well.

    Nevertheless, I'm an early 30's 6'4" 300lbs ex-college D1 football and rugby player.

    In the case that a manager maliciously argued/yelled/touched me and no one I reported it to took any action on it, then I would escalate that to not only my colleagues and other management /hr, but I would have taken it to their supervisor, supervisor's super, and just about everyone else in the org. Honestly, it's not even that I would feel necessarily all that offended or anything. It's the ethics of it. That person shouldn't be in their position if they want to act that way. Go start your own company and then you can run it the way you want.

    I don't eff around with that shit. I don't care what level you're at or who you know.

    You'd better come at me with guns blazing if you want to shut me up at that point.

    Note: if this is not the norm for that particular manager, then I wouldn't necessary escalate it. I would first open the conversation directly with them and try to resolve the issue. But if they were repeatedly doing that shit, then it's..on

    As someone that's been on the senior leadership side of a team, it's your job to protect the team(s) and develop them. If people are doing badly, then you try to help and get those individuals aid. Otherwise action needs to be taken, which can be PIP and/or Termination. You don't escalate things and emotionally yell, attack, berate people. That's childish shit.
    Oct 16 2
    • Apple bdvahsh
      OP
      Theoretically you're right, but practically it doesn't work when dealing with big companies. I escalated it HR and 2 managers above me and they didn't do anything. They simply denied the existence of the incident! My only proof was my teammates who were there witnessing the incident, but HR said we didn't find any evidence! So either HR is lying (which I'm pretty sure is the case) or the teammates are afraid of testifying.
      It's a small industry, they can sabotage my career pretty easily considering their power. I don't want to take that risk, while I'm still new at Apple. Once I establish my reputation here, I'll go back and chase that as$hole.
      Oct 16
    • New / Eng fqIz01
      I feel ya. I don't think you did anything wrong. I know it's difficult T the larger corps. I'm a any case, congrats on the move! Keep moving forward
      Oct 16
  • Farmers Insurance IMOj71
    Thanks for giving me my motivation for the day, and congratulations. Working for Apple is a dream for many, including myself.
    Oct 16 0
  • Red Hat T. C. Hoe
    I know someone at Red Hat who had pretty much the same story... but the bloke showed the middle finger and did it on H1-B grace period!
    Oct 16 0
  • Snapchat / Eng Romantico
    Congrats dude!
    Oct 16 0
  • Carvana sr verless
    Congrats! Hard work pays off.
    Oct 16 0
  • Apple / Eng uALk00
    @bdvahsh Are you sure about the 360K TC? I see people computing TC differently. TC should be the average earn per year. If you got RSU which vest over 4 years, then you should do "TC = Base + RSU/4 + Bonus". I doubt that still gets you to 360K.
    Oct 17 1
    • Lyft ahsvss
      Why is 360k so hard to believe
      Oct 18
  • Groupon / Eng sleepy
    Great job!
    Oct 16 0
  • Rackspace / Eng
    opsDude

    Rackspace Eng

    PRE
    Rackspace
    opsDudemore
    Congratulations and you deserved this. Thanks for sharing with us. Sometimes it’s not worth the fighting and you did right thing.
    Oct 16 0
  • Microsoft xdDW77
    Congrats. I love the way Blind actually helps!
    Oct 16 2
    • Microsoft ahdkvj
      More than helping, Blind actually motivates you!
      Oct 16
    • Apple bdvahsh
      OP
      Yea, motivation and emotional support was also a great help.
      Oct 16

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