The Democratic Party is the main barrier against the political Left in the US.

Credit Karma EllisDee25
Feb 9 14 Comments

Popular views in this country have been shifting left for the past generation even as the government and party politics has generally stayed or gone more to the right.

Republicans should thank the DNC for constantly undermining the Left while helping the Right.

https://theintercept.com/2019/02/05/nancy-pelosi-medicare-for-all/

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  • New / Eng sparked
    That’s because the DNC wants to actually be effective in national politics where the current vocal members of the democrats seem fine with the far left echo chamber that doesn’t extend more then 30 miles from the coasts
    Feb 9 8
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      OP
      Your argument is confusing me - maybe I misunderstood your first post.

      I thought you were saying that the DNC wants to be effective by not being too Left... but then you’re also saying they were ineffective because they sabotaged the left wing candidate in favor of the centrist one?
      Feb 9
    • New / Eng sparked
      I’m not sure why you’re claiming only 1% of voters are swing voters; according to the cooperative congressional election survey 11% of Trump voters said they supported Obama in 2012 and 4% of Clinton voters supported Romney.

      My point is that their goal is appropriate, there strategy was not (mainly cause the got caught)

      Ultimately winning elections comes down to two things; voter turnout and being moderate enough to swing independents (which is much easier for the non-incumbent party thanks to humans general ability to always think times suck and it is the current admins. Fault regardless of party). A far left candidate will have a much more difficult time persuading any independents, especially when a moderate is an alternative; most likely what will happen is lower voter turnout.
      Feb 9
    • Amazon wario
      Yes clearly America is craving another milquetoast center-right neoliberal candidate, and not radical ideas that make their lives easier. This is why voters showed up in droves for Hillary and why she won the election by a landslide.
      Feb 9
    • Amazon wario
      Sparked: I don’t believe that independents are mostly centerist status-quo-loving moderates, so I don’t entirely buy the idea that the best way to appeal to them is by running as an Obama-Bush hybrid.
      Feb 9
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      OP
      Sparked, I looked it up and you are correct that 1% is too low it’s more like 6%. 40-50% of eligible voters actually vote in the recent elections, 11% those who did vote said they voted the other party last time...so yeah my guess was off.

      But the point is that in 2008 just the perception of a progressive candidate (though he was always clear that his politics were centrist) brought out more people who don’t usually vote than the swing voters. Since 08, those voters have dropped off again.

      Clinton’s strategy was to win swing voters and moderate conservatives but the suburban soft-Republicans she thought were her’s voted Trump. It’s not that the DNC is stupid, it’s ideology. They assume a certain constant of low turn-out and so they take their base for granted (usually - but right now they are trying to keep hold of their base and prevent a kind of Democrat version of the tea party) and win over moderates instead. The ideological part of this is by focusing on moderates, the DNC won’t alienate Wall Street or have to secretly reassure business that reforms are “just talk”. The Republicans don’t have this problem because they cater to their base and there are few conflicts between what R voters support and what Wall Street supports.
      Feb 9
  • Microsoft / Eng FreshPrinc
    As a moderate democrat...thank god for that.
    Feb 9 2
    • Amazon wario
      “As a republican who likes abortion and weed...”
      Feb 9
    • Microsoft / Eng FreshPrinc
      Try again sport
      Feb 9
  • Apple RbmK68
    We need Kamala the freebie giver as our president! Hail Presidente!!
    Feb 9 0
  • Amazon wario
    Pelosi setting up Trump 2020.
    Feb 9 0