The U.S. Is Crazy to Scare Skilled Immigrants Away

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May 13 76 Comments

https://www.bloombergquint.com/view/the-u-s-is-crazy-to-scare-skilled-immigrants-away?ch=99&share=a183ba68

President Donald Trump has done a lot to scare high-skilled immigrants away from the U.S. He has made it harder for them to get green cards. He has blocked some foreign students from entering and discouraged others from working during school. He is considering banning the spouses of H-1b visa holders from working in the country at all. The harassment campaign appears to be working. H-1b applications are down, as is the number of visas being issued to overseas students:

It’s hard to see what this accomplishes other than whipping up enthusiasm from Trump’s anti-immigrant base. It stifles the flow of foreign students to the research universities that are the best hope for an economic revival in declining regions

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  • F5 Networks buzz-word
    Why do you care? It’s America and it’s supposed to be for Americans. Isn’t it?
    May 1339
    • Twitch / Cust. Srv.
      Im_dumb_af

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      Im_dumb_afmore
      I have lived in China, Saudi, and Australia. They paid me 2.5x TC offered in America, and also didn't charge me taxes... So effectively 4xing my tc :/. Work visa was relatively straight forward to secure, and was by far easier than securing a US work visa.

      Am getting tired of the US, considering relocating to Singapore. Significantly less tax dollars there, or perhaps going back to China as the tech companies now pay just as high if not higher, at lower tax rates and better benefits.

      Long run, not sure why top talent would keep coming to the US. Chase would prob get his wish. But by then, if would be like China during the 1500, slowly losing power as top talent all bleed out and go elsewhere

      Admittedly, tech jobs are still mostly concentrated in the US. But fuck it, tech is overhyped as shit right now. Prob go back to the finance industry and work somewhere else
      May 16
    • Chase onlypjay
      Not sure why you are living in US, if they are giving you 4x money?
      May 16
    • Chase onlypjay
      Why it's hard to understand, we don't have equal opportunities rights to the whole world? It's an extreme sense of foolish entitlement, that you can never attain.
      May 16
    • Uber domin8
      That's absolutely false statement.
      All people are crated equal and have equal rights. American government enforce this Saudi Arabia does not. You really need to learn what America is about.
      May 16
    • Uber domin8
      Oh wait... I think you are like Bernie, who does not understand the difference between rights and entitlements. Entitlements are for the entitled. Rights are for all.
      May 16
    • Chase onlypjay
      @Im_dumb_af not sure what you are smoking these days? But China and Australia have progressive income tax system as in USA, not sure if you feel entitled enough not to pay taxes as well. Only in Middle East they don't have income taxes in oil rich countries
      May 16
    • Chase onlypjay
      @domin8 yes let's tell Americans after coming here that you should have all the equal opportunities, while you can't allow that in your own country! Because you have better vision for America to benefit yourself 😀
      May 16
    • Uber domin8
      Equal opportunities is what makes this country great and some other countries are not because there is no equality of opportunity. Why do you want to make America like the other country you came from?? You really don't get what America is about. BTW. I'm American.
      May 16
    • Chase onlypjay
      @domin8 people who are Americans already, have more rights to the opportunities and resources available period because it's their home. Fix your own country, don't have this foolish sense of entitlement from America.
      May 16
    • Uber domin8
      Dude, you really really need to grasp what rights and opportunities are vs. the resources and entitlements. Yes, if my daddy bought a building in Harvard it will be easier for me to get in. Yet if I study hard and show excellence I still can get in.
      May 16
  • Amazon EeVx56
    The people who came before you just want to make sure that they dont allow anyone else who is or can become better than them.
    May 1321
    • Oracle Izvhdn
      Where did he imply that you have to be born here ? You made that assumption. American = citizens(naturalized or otherwise) . You are the one bringing up race to a nationality argument .

      Why, only Americans have to compete with the rest of the world for American jobs ? This is only country in the world where putting citizens first is debated.
      May 14
    • Chase onlypjay
      Yes sir, I am naturalized citizen, and it's not even up for debate that Americans have every right to this country before outsiders, if an American is one bar lower, then give him/her opportunity to excel with training... It's common sense
      May 14
    • Chase onlypjay
      I am not sure, that Americans can even think to compete on equal footing in China, India, New Zealand or Saudi Arabia; but here we are debating the very right of an American to be considered first for the job.
      May 14
    • Oracle Izvhdn
      People on blind talk about skills like it is a binary, anybody who has interviewed knows that every candidate is different. You don’t only consider the candidate based on whether they get the answers right or not, you also look at their potential.

      I doubt the amazon guy is a citizen or at the least he is not true to his citizenship oath.
      May 14
    • Chase onlypjay
      It's easy to come to foreign country and ask for all the rights that their citizens should have at priority, but they will not going to give those equal opportunities to Americans in their countries
      May 14
    • Panasonic Avionics Tac0s
      How is "American" a race? 😂
      May 14
    • Amazon Qsqx82
      @oracle guy I am actually a born citizen could even run for president if I wanted to lol

      You guys are so far gone with nationalistic propaganda that you forget what this country was founded upon. Telling me that I am not true to my citizenship oath when you don't even know the values penned down in the constitution. America was created as the land of opportunities, founded by European migrants that didn't want to serve under the imperial rule. In another thread in this post someone mentioned that, this equates to equal opportunity for all. Again, US citizens are already given priority since so many companies can't even afford the legal burdens of sponsoring a work visa and the risks associated with it. But the best companies looking for the best talent from around the world won't just hire you over someone else only because you were born here. But again you guys probably haven't come across talent of that levels why you are stuck at oracle chase or Panasonic
      May 16
    • Chase onlypjay
      @Qsqx82 so you mean Chase, Oracle and Panasonic is not up to your mark? Not sure what that means? Isn't that just non sense
      May 16
    • Oracle Izvhdn
      Everyone is equal ...blah blah blah ...constitution blah blah ..values .. blah

      But YOU suck because you work for Oracle, chase and Panasonic

      That was the premise of his message. Ooh the irony!
      May 16
    • Chase onlypjay
      @Oracle, the irony is that I have lived in other parts of the world, I really appreciate what America has given me, but I have comparative knowledge, it seems like many young kids here are living in dream world! And extremely entitled for no reason! America should work for Americans first, period.
      May 16
  • Facebook / Engimt
    I am leaving America + ditching my green card. Not everyone is obsessed with America and high TC $$$. I am leaving US for Vancouver to be close to family, gf and friends. Taking a 50% paycut but no regrets.

    There are plenty of countries with amazing opportunities (Germany, Canada, GB) if you don't like US immigration
    May 136
    • Thermo Fisher / Saleszeussical
      That’s surprising Vancouver would be so low. I figured they would pay decent wages.
      May 13
    • Facebook / Engimt
      Very tough to match FB even at Bay Area. I am making $400k+ USD. My Vancouver offers around $250k CAD
      May 13
    • Thermo Fisher / Saleszeussical
      Got it. That’s still a solid salary even after converted to US dollars.
      May 13
    • Broadcom Ltd. / Eng
      headbanger

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      Canuck here too! I compromised by moving closer to the border so I can quickly drive up north to take care of my old parents in Ontario in case they need me. This way I can keep my GC. But if one of them passes away, I’ll have to also ditch my GC or get a re-entry permit to keep it alive.
      I was a happy man on TN. My former employer forced me into applying for GC. HR threatened that I was endangering my employability by staying on TN. They made my boss to talk me into it. At the time I didn’t know GC had this 1 year restriction of being outside the US.
      So you’re right. GC is not for everyone. On TN, I could’ve taken a break from the US for a few years and then come back again on TN.
      May 13
    • Thoughtworks nooop
      Congrats, that's good for Vancouver.
      Typical Vancouver TC tops out about $180k CAD, perhaps Microsoft and Amazon somewhat higher.
      May 13
    • Facebook / Engimt
      Thanks! My Salesforce offer is the highest ;). I also have offer from Amazon which is the lowest but only slightly lower than my Microsoft offer.
      May 13
  • A lot of h1b are not all that super skilled. At Uber we have recruiters, marketers, and account managers on h1b. It’s a system that is being abused in ways it wasn’t intended. It’s fair for American workers to have concerns about this.
    May 130
  • Panasonic Avionics Tac0s
    Again, just because someone is here on a working visa does not mean they are more capable than those here. That is the core issue.

    Am actually glad they are making it harder.
    May 133
    • Sizmek athV68
      Salty you’re not good enough ?
      May 13
    • Amazon Qsqx82
      Lol @athV68
      May 14
    • Panasonic Avionics Tac0s
      I think the only salty one's here are those griping about their visas. Boohoo.
      May 14
  • New VreM84
    Oh, ffs. It hasn't become much harder! I got my first h1b in 2007 and went through the same hurdles like lottery and such. Trump is a dumbass, but you can't blame him for everything.
    May 140
  • Tableau / Eng
    The Plague

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    Or maybe bringing high skilled immigrants and scaring away the low skill ones
    May 130

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