The problem with AI research is almost all of them lack a definite goal

Cisco / Eng greedyengr
Nov 5 29 Comments

Might be a very opinionated statement to say, however there clearly seems to be a very clear objective mismatch in the AI community as to what it wants to achieve.

The primary goal of AI was to figure out how human mind works and that doesn't seem to be the case currently? I think the pioneers had a lot more clarity in what they wanted this field to achieve. And the present one doesn't have a clue on what it wants, and where it wants to go?

Sorry, about the rant. Here's my TC: 20L, INR

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  • Google / Eng muhnuchw🐵
    The short term goal at the moment is clear: use data to automate stuff to improve productivity.

    There are teams at deep mind etc that think about longer term goals.
    Nov 5 4
    • Apple Nick Fury
      Agreed
      Nov 5
    • Cisco / Eng greedyengr
      OP
      I don't think that in theory this would work, the primary goal of google as an organisation doesn't seem to match the goal of the AI field itself.
      Nov 5
    • Google / Eng muhnuchw🐵
      Whether it works or not is debatable. I did answer questions about your rant though.
      Nov 5
    • Cisco / Eng greedyengr
      OP
      @muhnuchw, that you did. Cheers!!
      Nov 5
  • Snapchat / Eng Romantico
    How do you define AI?
    Nov 5 3
    • Cisco / Eng greedyengr
      OP
      Already did, the primary goal was to figure out how human mind works.
      Nov 5
    • Zillow Group gentle
      This is more like neuroscience
      Nov 5
    • Snapchat / Eng Romantico
      I second @gentle. You need to think about what AI is. The problem with AI is the definition. Try to define intelligence first.
      Nov 5
  • Cisco / Eng
    gosharks

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    People who do real AI work are currently heads down making things happen. The field is very new and some very smart minds are on it. Some dumb minds are also on it but they are really not passionate about it. The smart ones are focused on making things happen rather than making the news. The ones who make the news are the ones who want some fame in the name of AI.
    Real innovation is always low profile.
    Nov 6 3
    • Roku cruella
      The smart people u refer to are engineers and such.

      I don't think they have enough philosophers on board. And that's who we need to make it happen the "right" way.
      Otherwise our tech will race ahead while the heart stays behind.
      Nov 6
    • Cisco / Eng
      gosharks

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      Perhaps engineers only need to take on the role of a philosopher in this case. We won't magically get one suited for this role otherwise ;)
      Nov 7
    • Cisco / Data ┬┴┤ಠ_ಠ)
      One of our sr MLEs is a philosophy phd
      Nov 7
  • Google IjTG62
    Who are the present ML godfathers according to you?

    All the pioneers like Hinton, Norvig and Godfellow, LaCunn has already accepted that the current Deep Learning methods are insufficient for AGI and strongly suggest moving to or at least utilise symbolic processing. There is a vast academic interest in this area and they are all publishing papers demonstrating innovative ways to do AI.

    Don’t follow wannabes and form an opinion of. Industry is very different from academics.
    Nov 5 3
    • Cisco / Eng greedyengr
      OP
      That's a very great point. Industry is very different from academics!

      And here is where the problem is, the industry doesn't care about the goal of AI as a field. The industry only cares about short-term returns. And figuring out how the mind works (won't yield returns atleast immediately)
      Nov 5
    • Cisco / Eng greedyengr
      OP
      Might be very crude to say, but calling Hinton, Norvig and Godfellow, LaCunn as pioneers is just too early. I understand they did have good amount of contribution to the subject, but their contribution to the vision of the field is not significant enough.
      Nov 5
    • Google IjTG62
      Wow! So who are the pioneers of the field according to you?
      Nov 5
  • Salesforce swe02
    The short term goal is just to use it as a marketing tactic.
    Every company is like just because everyone is doing, let us also do it, without bothering whether it actually adds value
    Nov 5 1
  • Snapchat / Eng Romantico
    I recommend watching Hamming's lectures on AI on YouTube. The first: https://youtu.be/aq_PLEQ9YzI
    Nov 5 0
  • Roku cruella
    That’s the whole point of AI. So they can figure out their own goals. U fool!
    Nov 5 0
  • Cisco / Data YUOh41
    Another issue is not many people even after formal training actually know what artificial intelligence and just like bluffing around and using terms like ai , deep learning, data science , chatbot in their slide decks . The situation worsens in companies like cisco where certain people have a great amount of difficulty in writing SQL queries and using easy tools like Tableau , DOMO . but even these people will be so called ai driven data scientist
    Nov 6 6
    • Cisco / Data YUOh41
      Sincere apologies . I was trying to give a comparison. Sorry
      Nov 6
    • Cisco / Data ┬┴┤ಠ_ಠ)
      No worries! I yam wut I yam
      Nov 6
    • Cisco / Data YUOh41
      South indian?
      Nov 6
    • Cisco / Data ┬┴┤ಠ_ಠ)
      Nope. Someone else on Blind thought I was too though. Do I have South Indian vibes?
      Nov 6
    • Cisco / Data chuckyboy
      Quite strong
      Nov 7
  • Two Sigma XJhI36
    This is exactly what they want: all they can do is CV and NLP, but implies to VC they can create intelligence as long as you can imagine
    Nov 5 0

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