1. Only 6 public holidays per year.
2. Only 2 sick days.
3. Parking is subsidized ($160 per month), but not free, in a crowded downtown Seattle.
4. Zero paternity leave.
5. Sometimes you have to pay for your own food in team gatherings (feels silly when the business is making millions of dollars, and you wonder whether you have anything to do with it).
6. Promotion is soft-skill based, not engineering-based (actually most companies are the same way).
7. Zero cash bonus, only stock bonus which you receive zero after the first year of joining.
8. Benefits not comparable to top-tier companies (but still better than small companies).
9. Nature of work is largely operations-based with some new development.
10. Performance and long hours (and political skills) are strongly correlated.
11. Tight deadlines and stressful work environment (depends on team).
12. Mediocre computer hardware (maybe average, but at least usable).
13. Every service you deploy will contain a lot (hundreds to over a thousand) of rubbish packages.
14. Slow builds.
15. Painful deployment processes.
16. Grim long-term job prospects (maybe not specific to Amazon, but hard to move past the mid level).
17. I think they treat anyone as being replaceable, just a tool that comes and goes (depends on your manager).
18. Crowded offices (seems like most companies are the same now).
19. Crowded elevators.
20. You have to debate almost everything all the time (the American way).
21. Unsubsidized cafeterias (what the ???).
22. Crowded cafeterias (not all are crowded).
23. Poor support for IDEs (both eclipse and intellij).
24. Poor dev environment (redhat on virtualbox on ubuntu on your desktop, get it?).
25. Security hell (maybe overly-emphasized).
26. Almost zero room for creativity (you are a robot, remember?).
27. Did you think we get an employee discount shopping on Amazon? Think again. The 10% employee discount code could not be applied to virtually anything I buy on amazon.com.
28. Did you think that Amazon employees automatically get free Amazon Prime membership??
1. Only 6 public holidays per year.
- Everything is quite correct here except I am pretty sure that there is paternity leave now.
- Dangerous mix of truth and falsehood to craft a false narrative. 1,2,3 not in Bay Area. 4 outright false. 5 have never seen this. 6 half-truth. 7 true, other than signing bonus. 8 meh. 9 only the worst teams.10 this is a statement about life, not Amazon. 11 some teams. 12 don't see this. 13 ok but how is this Amazon specific? 14 this sounds related to your problem in 13. 15 not really. 16 if you mean L6+ promos are very hard, then true. 17 true unless you are a high performer. 18 like you said not just Amazon. 19 same. 20 true. 21 false. 22. false. 23. don't see this. 24. sounds a bit specific to you. 25. false. 26. false. maybe on your team but not on good teams. 27. true. 28. true.
- Amazon / Eng kwq7812A lot of this stuff is dated (like the computer hardware--once true, but they started issuing high end laptops and monitors three years ago) or inaccurate/exaggerated, but that doesn't matter because the worst things about working at Amazon (in corporate, at least) aren't even mentioned: namely, the clandestine compensation and performance review models. Simply put: you are paid based on a compensation "target" you won't be told, which is set according to a performance review score/rank that you also won't be told. There are various ways to try to deduce your rating/score/target (including getting your manager to tell you...if they will, and you trust or believe them), but the bottom line is that you won't (or technically shouldn't, according to policy) be fully aware of where you actually stand...and that's by design. This company motivates employees primarily through uncertainty and fear; the system is intended to make you feel uncomfortable even when you're doing well.
You should also pretty much ignore anybody who uses the "good teams aren't like this" bullshit to counter, because they almost certainly haven't been around long enough to see how quickly and easily that will disappear (just one re-org can do it--and there are 1-2 chances per year for that to happen).
- Comp model is definitely the worst thing about Amazon by a significant margin. And HRs obsession with secrecy over transparency is very problematic too as it goes entirely against our own Leadership Principles. But this dude's rant about parking in downtown Seattle, hard promos, crowded elevators and bad laptops is immature and whiny and riddled with falsehoods.
- Amazon / Eng y6aaw3I know my TCT and rating because I ask my manager. They are not forbidden from sharing. The system is broken though as it is overly complex, most people cannot understand it managers included so it favors people who can gamify it. Promos are even worse. I witnessed firsthand people who would easily pass L6 or L7 hire bar, struggling to get promoted because of the amount of red tape required to formalize a document. Also launching a new unmaintainable service is still a better way for recognition than deprecation of legacy, no matter how many policy emails HR sends about it.Feb 10 1
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- Wait what? 2 sick days? So what happens when you are sick for longer? Unpaid sick days I guess?
- Amazon / Ops PuffalopeThat quora response is almost 3 years old. A LOT has changed since then. I’ve been with the company since before 2016 and I don’t recall this “2 sick days” policy in my time.
Obviously we (now) have paternity leave.
RE Amazon discounts, while it would be awesome to have a discount on everything on the website, that would mean the company covers the difference for literally thousands of third party sellers who make up so much of the products on the site or those sellers volunteer to give special treatment to Amazon employees. Doesn’t sound like a sustainable thing to me given the size of the company and the problems with implementing such a thing for hundreds of thousands of workers.
Some of the other stuff I’m not gonna argue with because YMMV. This is a huge company, even within orgs or departments there are discrepancies. You have to find your “place” here.
- Google hlp2Too many half-truths to argue individually. I'll just say I miss the personal days I had at Amazon and which I don't have at G.
- Amazon / Mgmt DEPk35moreThere is paternity leave as of 2016/2017 I believe.
Doesn’t mean it can’t be better though. SurveyMonkey has something like 3M leave for new parents.
- Eg, we have paternity leave and lots of people take it, more sick days, bunch of personal days, I did have cash signing bonus,
Most of the list of just wrong and it seems tiresome to argue with that much wrong information
Some you could say are subjective but I don't really agree and OP seems to be angry and lying.
- What about once a month paycheck? That’s definitely a deviation from the norm in the US.
- New / Eng leet4jobIf an Amz claims that Amz is a "security hell". Why would any companies still trust AWS cloud services?
- Telsa is almost everything mentioned, but now we are in lay-off and cost cutting mode. Oh and shittier pay. 🙃
- There are worse things that he doesn't mention. Most of them, however, are wrong, true only in certain places, outdated, or exaggerations.
The thing is that at Amazon, except for range of pay, all workers, from warehouse (if blue badge) to director or even VP level have the same perks.
The kind of perks other tech giants give to their white collar employees would be very expensive for Amazon to give to everyone, blue and white collar alike.
And if you think Amazon builds are slow, you never worked at Google...
Just the most grievous: 6 is false. Sometimes I even think some L4s are promoted to L5 just because of code, which I think is not what's expected. 7 there is cash bonus on your first two years only, but you receive stock refreshers every time your current salary + vests are below your TC target.