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There are two types of people:

Googleusurper
Apr 24

Those who think Google has the best engineers and tech, and those who have actually worked at Google.

Seriously though where are the good teams? My team has no leadership, all the TLs are coasting, and it takes us half a year to ship simple features that I could write in weeks. Where do all these supposed smart engineers work at?

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  • This inevitably applies to all teams once they reach a certain age
    Apr 240
  • Microsoft / EngFbQJG6
    Try to change it
    Apr 240
  • Microsoft / EngVlCX25
    Facebook?
    Apr 248
    • GoogleusurperOP
      Lol have you ever used Facebook? Their mobile site has been broken for almost a year now. Notifications don't work at all: you have to refresh the entire page to get anything to show up.
      Apr 24
    • GoogleMickey
      Sounds like user error. FB works fine for me.
      Apr 24
    • HCL / Otherjstwrkhere
      Same, the mobile website is trach.
      Apr 24
    • Oracleof·Nada
      I'd wager the mobile site is intentionally bad. They very actively push their apps, I presume for improved data collection.
      Apr 24
    • HCL / Otherjstwrkhere
      That's the exact reason I don't touch that shit
      Apr 25
    • HCL / Otherjstwrkhere
      They forced messenger on me.
      Apr 25
    • HCL / Otherjstwrkhere
      If they force the app and get rid of the mobile site, I'm out. I'm halfway out anyway.
      Apr 25
    • FacebookYeahboy
      Yeah we don't really work on the mobile site. Pretty sure we focus on mobile apps instead.
      Apr 25
  • YahooItsTime
    is ur team hiring ? 😁
    Apr 240
  • Amazon / PMHayward
    They work at Amazon. We shipped over 1000 new features in AWS last year.
    Apr 240
  • GoogleMickey
    If it takes the team half a year to launch something you could put together in weeks maybe you should do that and be a superstar.

    Though given your attitude I'm guessing you're some new dude who won a few coding competitions and thinks he's amazing but doesn't have a clue how to build things at Google scale.
    Apr 248
    • Google / Eng
      J32dfQ

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      Yet, Google isn’t known to be the fastest company nowadays. There must be some truth to that and I’d give the benefit of the doubt to op.
      Apr 24
    • UberDheos
      Sometimes it is not about being fast... being scalable is more important.

      OP do sounds like a fresh grad or someone who hasn’t work for too long (probably less than 5 yrs?)
      Apr 24
    • GoogleMickey
      Google isn't the fastest company, agreed. If he just wants to push stuff out fast a startup is a way better choice. Take a look at the attitude in the original post though. There's a lot more than just criticism of the launch process. Sounds like we're all just in the way of his T7-T9 abilities.
      Apr 24
    • UberDheos
      It is the Uber 1.0 culture. He will do well back in Uber 1.0.

      Also the best way to incur tech debt.
      Apr 24
    • Microsoft / Eng
      1.1.1.1

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      Mchurch memes were the only part of working at google that I still miss
      Apr 24
    • Google / Eng
      J32dfQ

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      Google -> Microsoft? That’s an interesting move. Care to tell us why you think Microsoft is a better place?
      Apr 24
    • Microsoft / Eng
      1.1.1.1

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      I actually just left MS to move to PDX and try a non-tech sector job while I bootstrap a SaaS company.

      I went to UW. interned at google in MTV, then MS. Had a way more interesting team and preferred Seattle area so went there after grad (and yes, I interviewed at google and had an offer). Eng culture is much worse and pay was maybe 30% less. Stayed for four years to the day and don’t regret it. WLB was amazing and I learned a ton about enterprise sales, an opportunity that doesn’t really exist at google.

      All in all, if I only wanted to do engineering Google is a much better company, but MS had more to offer as a package.
      Apr 24
    • Sorry but while there are a *lot* of overconfident new engineers, tech giants like Google, Microsoft, Apple, etc. do develop new systems very slowly.

      This is due to numerous reasons, such as compliance, internal politics, boredom, incompetent project managers, open space, too many meetings, too little risk tolerance, and too many conflicting opinions.

      If it takes 1 engineer 3 months to complete a task, it could take a team of 3 engineers 6 months, a team of 10 engineers 12 months, a team of 10 engineers and 3 project managers will keep expanding the scope and introducing tech debt before reaching the first MVP, and never release anything.

      “Too many cooks spoil the stew.”
      Apr 25
  • Amazon / EngQQMO76
    If you want to ship things fast go work at a startup or Amazon. Half a year does seem pretty crazy though. I'd ask around to see if that's the norm wrt the scale of the project and the number of customers those features affect.
    Apr 240
  • Uberspidy8
    Like any other company Google has both good and bad people. Look at the messaging shit Google throws on us. First it’s gChat then hangouts and then allo and duo. Now they want to fix messages. Messages team must have the most useless product managers and engineers at Google.
    Apr 240
  • FacebookYeahboy
    Come to FB and you'll be shipping non stop
    Apr 253
    • UberDheos
      Shipping people’s data or shipping code?
      Apr 26
    • FacebookYeahboy
      We sell ads. We don't ship data
      Apr 26
    • UberDheos
      Ship data to sell ads?
      Apr 26

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