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They are not sending their best

Microsoft pantdas
Dec 3

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  • New neurips
    Interesting. How do we reconcile this with the observation that h1b, green card holder and naturalized citizens earn more than native citizens?

    If this data is true and the one I cited is accurate, it's almost as if there is a bimodal split in immigrants.
    Dec 312
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      Tried a couple of Google queries (eg. household income h1b green card citizen) before posting and couldn't find what you're talking about.
      Dec 3
    • New neurips
      Random search results. No breakdown into h1b or GC but has foreign citizens vs native citizens.

      https://qz.com/781527/immigrants-are-getting-more-out-of-americas-recovery-than-native-born-households-are/
      Dec 3
    • Google TYAPU
      Does this include illegal immigrants?
      Dec 3
    • New neurips
      Yes it does. Which makes the non-citizen results pretty useless since it included illegals, h1b and GC. Only useful results are foreign vs native citizens, but without controlling for age that could be another confounding factor.
      Dec 3
    • Intuit Uz1h6d
      Sounds like the bimodal split occurring within the middle class.
      Dec 3
    • Amazon Jеff Bezоs
      H-1Bs and GC holders are paying for the welfare of illegals.
      Dec 3
    • OpenTable Meliodas
      People here illegally can’t qualify for welfare.
      Dec 3
    • Apple / EngMarijuana
      Yeah - skilled workers vs others.
      Dec 3
    • Microsoft / Engyayssa
      The reality is that only a fraction of the immigrants are high wage earners. So there’s really nothing to reconcile. They are different populations entirely.
      Dec 3
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    • Microsoft pantdas
      OP
      No dude you’re a far right 😂
      Dec 3
    • Intel UGeJ58
      Lol, this guy at the end throws in the subtle grandparents-type racism - "my hardworking but poor black neighbors"

      "Every time I see a black person, I know that they are poor but at least hardworking. However, I have no patience for those Central Americans latin scum!"
      Dec 3
    • Intel UGeJ58
      This guy leans so hard, he has his daily standup meeting every morning at the chiropractor's office
      Dec 3
    • Intel UGeJ58
      Calling all defenders of white privilege!
      Dec 3
    • Intel UGeJ58
      "We didn't have a racism problem back when only land-owning white males could vote"
      Dec 3
    • Intel UGeJ58
      "My daddy told me America has an official language. It's called American"
      Dec 3
  • Microsoft Noli88
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_Examiner. Don't see any official government census in the article. Charts made from Excel
    Dec 31
    • OpenTable Meliodas
      The Examiner is a right leaning publication. The Center for Immigration Studies is an anti-immigrant organization.

      No surprise that one would publish a story about a report written by the other.
      Dec 3
  • Microsoft ImAwesome
    I think the key here is “non-citizens”. Many successful immigrants eventually get naturalized. Meaning, most likely immigrants on the lower social economical ladder end up as non-citizens. Hence skewing this analysis. An equivalent analysis would be only including rural America and claiming high percentage of Americans are on welfare. Without proper sampling all analyses can be skewed.
    Dec 33
    • New neurips
      But non citizens would include h1b and GC holders, and I'm quite surprised the welfare ratio is so high.... I would still like to see an extra breakdown by education level.
      Dec 3
    • Microsoft pantdas
      OP
      No doubt if we stick to merit based immigration non-citizens would have zero welfare. The problem is illegal immigration, anchor babies and chain migration. H1B is a tiny fraction of the overall immigration.
      Dec 3
    • New neurips
      I don't think any sane person would disagree with you MSFT. Since 2010, I have complained that US is an anomalous developed country where most immigrants are not skilled. But I won't support any change under Trump. While I support actions that promote skilled immigration, we know it will have the side effect of increasing xenophobic and facist tendencies in this country.

      Sometimes we need to keep shitty policies alive to prevent a greater evil from rising.
      Dec 3
  • OpenTable Meliodas
    It is a little more nuanced that the data points cherry picked by those with an anti-immigration agenda.

    https://www.politifact.com/california/statements/2018/jan/29/steve-cortes/are-55-percent-immigrants-california-welfare-s-exa/
    Dec 32
    • Microsoft / Engyayssa
      I read the article you linked and the only notable nuance is that of individual vs household because immigrants kids regardless of their parents immigration status are us citizens. However, the authors seem to agree with the CIS assertion that the metric needs to be “are immigrants able to care for the needs of their family without having to tap into welfare programs?”.

      I’m an immigrant myself and I don’t see anyone arguing against immigration. But there’s a difference between merit based immigration and diversity lottery.
      Dec 3
    • OpenTable Meliodas
      You missed the nuance where school lunch programs are overly inclusive.
      Dec 4
  • Procore / EngLol2018
    Seems fishy but what an appropriate topic for the Holliday season! Tis the season to pull away benefits from poor people who need them 🎅
    Dec 31
    • Microsoft pantdas
      OP
      The Republican congress still have a chance to fix the current immigration policy which basically amounts to looting Americans.
      Dec 3
  • New neurips
    Without breakdown and segmentation of data, this article is useless. I suspect both sides and of the narrative are true. Skilled immigrants will out-earn native pop because of selection bias, with largest diff peaking at naturalized citizens (just because how long it takes to naturalized and age correlate with earning power). Unskilled immigrants and illegals will tend to use more welfare because their jobs are lower paying and so they have no choice.
    Dec 32
    • Expedia Ski-asleep
      Illegal immigrants cannot apply for welfare. You need a pile of paperwork and all immigration paperwork provided get scrutinized.
      Dec 3
    • Wrong. Illegal aliens are eligible for welfare if their kids are born on U.S. soil. That's a major reason why they want to pop out babies here.
      Dec 3
  • Microsoft 4655434b
    Voter data, 48% of US citizens voted for an orange cheeto to become president, leads rest of the world to believe they are mentally deficient...
    Dec 31
    • Microsoft IcM_Alert
      Very strong argument! You are good at this! Buy a cheddar cheese puff for yourself later today 😃
      Dec 3
  • Google d86gd2
    No they're here for a reason. Certain industries benefit from a foreign underclass with no choice but to work for well below reasonable wages.

    The fact that the rest of the taxpayers have to pick up slack and subsidize them through welfare is incidental.
    Dec 30
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    4) Harvard economist showed that there was 20% wage cut as a result in Miami. " Miami wages for native-born men without high-school diplomas were much lower than for similar workers in other U.S. metropolitan areas during the 1980s and then again in the late 1990s, following the two spikes of Cubans migrating to Miami. During the 1980s Miami wages were 20 percent lower than elsewhere, a very substantial effect."
    Dec 30
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    1) Unemployment rose 5 to 7 % in 2 months in Miami.

    2) cubans already in Miami were hurt the most. "Wages for Cubans demonstrated a steady decline especially compared with other groups in Miami at the time. "

    3) $100million + $5 million/year spent on these refugees in 1980s "
    Dec 30
  • New RzFr15
    No shit they are not sending their best. Immigrants should need a college degree or better to enter.
    Dec 33
    • Apple KGHP41
      Did you read my comment? US has an idiotic policy of allocating 85% greencards to family based immigrants. Only 15% are for skill based.
      Dec 4
    • New RzFr15
      No I didn’t read your idiotic comment
      Dec 4
    • Apple KGHP41
      My comment is better than yours, idiot.
      Dec 4
  • Apple KGHP41
    What do you expect when 85% people come in through family based immigration?
    Dec 30
  • Salesforce / Other
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    Funny thing is democrats threw own their own under the bus by sticking these refugees in places led by democratic politicians junior in rank.
    Flames still flickered from a charred guardhouse. Whoops and fierce cries of defiance echoed across the camp. Shotgun-toting civilians in pickup trucks loomed a mile or so beyond the gate. The mood was tense and chaotic.”

    But this wasn’t Vietnam — or Iraq in the wake of an Islamic State attack. This was Fort Chaffee, a military installation in Arkansas, on June 1, 1980, when refugees from Fidel Castro’s Cuba rioted. The refugees had been sent there at the behest of President Jimmy Carter over the vociferous objections of an Arkansas governor with quite a political future: Bill Clinton....
    Dec 30
  • Salesforce / Other
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    "arrival of the refugees in the United States created political problems for President Jimmy Carter. His administration struggled to develop a consistent response to the immigrants, and it was discovered that a number of the refugees had been released from Cuban jails and mental health facilities. "

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mariel_boatlift
    Dec 30
  • Lighthouse chikndinr
    I don't think anyone on H1B gets any welfare. We fucking pay the FICA and other such shit but it's not really for our welfare.
    The minimum wage for h1b exceeds USA median income (60k+ I think) (need to check)
    Dec 33
    • New neurips
      Technically you can claim SS without being a citizen or GC holder. As long as you pay 10yrs into the system, you are entitled to get some out when you retire.
      Dec 3
    • Google aFvu87
      Technically how can you pay into the system without having a SS number?
      Dec 3
    • New neurips
      Any h1b or working f1 student has a SSN my dear google... Your h1b colleagues are paying exactly the same taxes as you are... Maybe a bit more because some tax benefits are citizens only
      Dec 3
  • LinkedIn Jedii
    Every year US issues 85k NEW H1Bs + 140k Employment based GC + about 850k Non Employment GCs (family based or refugee) + illegals made legal if one time stuff like DACA were to pass.

    Further, H1bs are not eligible for any immediate SSN benefits. They have to pay taxes for atleast 10yrs

    I don’t think the high numbers of availing SSN benefits if were true are due to H1bs or employment GCs
    Dec 30
  • Salesforce mnbjytec
    I prefer a report from a more neutral organization. There are x ways you can screw with data. Washington Examiner is a known conservative publication.
    Dec 30

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