Thoughts on Apple SWE ICT 4 offer (Bay Area)?

Microsoft hououin
Jun 10, 2018 32 Comments

Initial offer. Don't have competing offers ...yet. interviewing at G,F and others. Hopefully will get one or two.

Base: 200K
Stock:160K
Sign in bonus:60k

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TOP 32 Comments
  • Honeywell / Eng that1guy
    240 for senior level? Seems super low
    Jun 10, 2018 13
    • Microsoft hououin
      OP
      I was also assuming it would go to around 300k. 70-120k stock refresh and around 25k bonus every year. Of course assuming I do well enough.
      Jun 10, 2018
    • Apple Gg56fh
      If you do well, 70-120 / 25 are very reasonable expectations for ICT4 refresh / bonus grants.

      That said, we’ve seen recent Apple comp eval blind threads with $270k initial RSUs but lower base ($170k) and sign on.
      Jun 10, 2018
    • Apple quest4tx
      It’s June. You’ll be “too new to evaluate” and likely not get any refreshers for this year.
      Jun 11, 2018
    • Microsoft hououin
      OP
      I assume that was the case. When are reviews done and refreshers/bonus assigned?
      Jun 11, 2018
    • Apple Gg56fh
      The determination happens June-August. You get the review + money by October
      Jun 12, 2018
  • Apple Gg56fh
    Which org at Apple?

    Low RSU for 2018 though 160K was the norm 2 years ago. Very high base. ICT 4 salary band caps at $220k. Apple will give you similar yearly grants (160k) for exceeding expectations. It’ll take a few years to add up. How experienced or specialized are you in your field? Any leadership experience?

    How much is this better over your current comp?
    Jun 10, 2018 6
    • Apple / Eng cho Chang
      Yes, u should be able to push RSUs to 200k+. Competing offers from fb/G are what u need
      Jun 11, 2018
    • Microsoft hououin
      OP
      How long is it reasonable for them to wait while I get those offers. I am interviewing with F this week. G is unsurprisingly slow.
      Dropbox and amazon are also on the table
      Jun 11, 2018
    • Apple Gg56fh
      In another blind apple offer eval thread, I saw that the initial grants was $270k. That’s very encouraging but haven’t seen that in my org yet.
      Jun 12, 2018
    • Microsoft kyouma
      I have competing F and G. Any chance I could bump it to 300K?
      Jun 23, 2018
    • Microsoft kyouma
      (I'm OP)
      Jun 23, 2018
  • Apple John!
    Insane base. How many years exp?
    Jun 10, 2018 1
    • Microsoft hououin
      OP
      6 + PhD
      Jun 10, 2018
  • AMD Ryzen
    Very good ict4 offer. How many yoe?
    Jun 10, 2018 1
    • Microsoft hououin
      OP
      6 + PhD
      Jun 10, 2018
  • Apple / Eng NexTime
    I am ICT5 and my base is lower so the base look great for ICT4. You can probably try for more RSUs
    Jun 10, 2018 0
  • Apple / Eng gwhzmstr
    That seems about right for ICT4, if not high. I’d push for more RSU’s tho — at least equal to your base.
    Jun 13, 2018 1
    • Microsoft kyouma
      I got them to raise it but it is still lower than FBs. I wonder, getting an offer high in the range means that I could get to ICT 5 sooner? Does it make any difference?
      Jun 23, 2018
  • Microsoft Sct909
    160k over 4 years or every year?
    Jun 10, 2018 1
    • Microsoft hououin
      OP
      Over 4 years. If it was every year I would be throwing a party.
      Jun 10, 2018
  • Apple eLCc16
    Very good base. ICT4 bases in my org under hardware don't go over 200k and you start at 200k. Take a few years to build up your RSU.
    Jun 10, 2018 0
  • Amazon fOKM65
    Experience? Current level at msft pls?
    Jun 10, 2018 0