Thrown off my Uber offer

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Nov 9, 2018 35 Comments

Hello, Need help on what to do with horrible Uber offer as Operation Manager.
Base: 139k
RSU: 151k (valued at 40.80$/share)

I have 10YOE in the field, managed people for 8 years and domain expert on the role offered.

I was expecting at least double this.
Recruiter said I would be coming in at Level 5a. And was trying to sell me the fact that the position is on a PM ladder and not Eng ladder.

She is going to check with comp team and get back to me, but wanted to know what other @uber employees think about this, and if any advice can be given...
Should I just drop it and forget about it?

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TOP 35 Comments
  • Google Frankie99
    Not sure why you’re so surprised. The difference between Eng and non-Eng roles at tech companies is usually significant, and can be massive. For example, I’m L5 at Google, but in People Ops. My base is comparable to an L4 PgM, or an L3 SWE with a couple years’ experience. My equity refreshers each year are comparable to an L3 SWE who’s on their second PIP.

    If you want to make the big money in tech, you need to be an engineer or a Product Manager. That said, those of us in non-Eng roles still usually do better financially in tech than we’d do in other industries, and way better in terms of work life balance.
    Nov 9, 2018 0
  • Microsoft Qqcx31
    Youve been reading blind too much
    Nov 9, 2018 1
    • Apple / Product
      HotCookie

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      OP
      Can you elaborate?
      Nov 9, 2018
  • Uber
    doubtinTom

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    doubtinTommore
    Offer seems at par with Ops positions. Would you rather be in Engg? The qualifications for Engg positions are different from Ops
    Nov 9, 2018 2
    • Apple / Product
      HotCookie

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      HotCookiemore
      OP
      Not arguing that (yet). But how come the discrepancy between PM and eng ladder are so different. I know of SWE getting in as 5a. With less YOEs and has an offer that is waaaaaaaaay higher.

      Also, the role itself is to drive building tools and a roadmap for some strategic Uber initiatives. I’m shocked by the numbers. And adding it’s a management position. Not IC.
      Nov 9, 2018
    • Uber
      doubtinTom

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      doubtinTommore
      Not sure why you mentioned PM. If you meant program manager then there is nothing strategic about that position.

      You got carried away by the marketing - “drive building tools and roadmap for strategic initiatives” is commonly used within Uber
      Nov 9, 2018
  • Mist Systems Juju jj
    Leave 1 star and call another?
    Nov 9, 2018 0
  • Uber neo.
    Operations is not Product ladder FYI. Not sure what the recruiter meant but you should clarify.
    Nov 11, 2018 1
    • Apple / Product
      HotCookie

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      OP
      That’s why I’m so confused. But hiring manager stepped in and told me he never approved the numbers I was given. So they are escalating. Let’s wait and see!
      Nov 11, 2018
  • Google / Eng l+#&
    What do you mean by RSU 151k ? Is it dollar amount ? Is it over 4 yr or per year ?
    Nov 10, 2018 1
    • Uber rdn
      Pretty sure it's over 4 years
      Nov 10, 2018
  • Apple / Product
    HotCookie

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    OP
    So are you saying there is no room for negotiations? And if I don’t like it I should just leave it?
    Honest question. Trying to figure it out
    Nov 9, 2018 0
  • Alibaba
    spexial

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    Why should anyone put a bio on blind? Who is your product guy?
    spexialmore
    151k *40 = 6M, why are you so upset?
    Nov 11, 2018 3
    • Apple / Product
      HotCookie

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      HotCookiemore
      OP
      It’s 151k$ not number of stocks! I wish! Hehe
      Nov 11, 2018
    • Google / Eng l+#&
      Per year or 4yr grant ?
      Nov 11, 2018
    • Apple / Product
      HotCookie

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      HotCookiemore
      OP
      Per 4yr grant. Sorry for the confusions
      Nov 11, 2018
  • LinkedIn TgBz00
    The engg ladder is entirely different than ops.. your pay is determined by supply-demand
    Nov 9, 2018 3
    • Apple / Product
      HotCookie

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      HotCookiemore
      OP
      I know that. But recruiter mentioned PM ladder. Never said ops. The title has ops in it tho yes.
      Nov 9, 2018
    • Apple / Product
      HotCookie

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      OP
      Also, I understand it’s different. But is it THAT different?
      Nov 9, 2018
    • Uber IIlII
      Yes
      Nov 9, 2018
  • New YKYb32
    I’m not in tech but lemme understand this. In tech, do people who can code make more than people who manage people, marketing, etc.? What are salaries for talented, intelligent, sociable entry-level coders?
    Nov 10, 2018 2
    • This is blind. Use search
      Nov 10, 2018
    • Google fil
      It depends. Eng usually make more in the form of stock and bonuses. Management of Eng and executive team still make the most tho.
      Nov 10, 2018
  • Oracle BjGO24
    Did you tell them how much you are currently making? The fact that you are even considering it makes me wonder that this isn’t a huge pay cut.
    Nov 11, 2018 1
    • Apple / Product
      HotCookie

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      OP
      It’s pretty huge pay cut. Given HM reached out now, I am waiting to see what they have to offer now. Otherwise yeah no thanks but no thanks.
      I created the post here right after I heard the numbers which threw me off.
      Nov 12, 2018
  • Uber IkxV84
    You're currently at Apple. I would think equivalent level at Apple pays higher than at Uber if comp is what you're primarily after?
    Nov 10, 2018 1
    • Uber IkxV84
      But the offer is on par with the average for ops tbh...we're not well paid
      Nov 10, 2018
  • LinkedIn RNkP74
    Why do you think an operation manager should be on Engg career ladder?
    Nov 9, 2018 1
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      HotCookie

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      OP
      Didn’t say that.
      Nov 9, 2018
  • Amazon bezzozz
    Were you able to get your comp increased?
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  • Uber / Other ShadoWing
    This is on par with l5a ops
    Nov 11, 2018 0
  • Apple / Product
    HotCookie

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    OP
    I am an engineer and have been engineer manager at apple.
    I looked at this opportunity in a very different angle. As the actual work is definitely related to engineering and work I am expert on.
    I did not expect the ladders to be so different and probably didn’t pay attention that ops in the case is not the way it it perceived in my org.

    Seems like my only option is to ask for 5b or 6. If I really want to take that job.

    Not driven by money. But getting a huge cut is not necessarily something I’m willing to do in order to get my next career move.
    Nov 10, 2018 0
  • Uber
    doubtinTom

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    doubtinTommore
    Your option is to get at the next higher level for higher comp (+20%).

    You seem to have more experience than the role demands. If you can manage to get a Director role in Ops comp will be at the level that you are expecting.
    Nov 10, 2018 0
  • New khEu77
    From my experience, non engg is just about 20-25% less.
    Nov 9, 2018 0
  • Dropbox / Data Gbo
    Operations man. Not eng. different pay structure. All that stuff about role and responsibility is fluff
    Nov 9, 2018 0