Tier rankings for tech companies in the Bay Area

Autodesk hoWs08
Jan 28 56 Comments

Tier = Pay, prestige, wlb, culture, benefits, talent pool, brand weight on resume, people have starry eyes when you tell them where you work at

Tier 0: Be your own boss
Tier 1: FNG
Tier 2: Apple, Uber, Airbnb, Lyft, Linkedin
Tier 3: Amazon, Microsoft, Stripe, Pinterest, Slack, Snap, Dropbox, Robinhood, Palantir
Tier 4: Salesforce, square, Twitter, nvidia, Opendoor, Box, Bloomberg
Tier 5: Zillow, Yelp, Oracle, Quora, Reddit, Houzz, purestorage, Expedia
Tier 💩: Cisco, Autodesk, IBM, HP, Vertivco, VMWare, Intel


If you don’t like tiers to happen then GTFO, you agree or not but tiers help you to grow and succeed in your career, it’s a milestone!

If you disagree, make your own list and comment.

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TOP 56 Comments
  • Amazon JSnowflake
    Yes, let's have another one of these tier threads, said nobody ever.
    Jan 28 0
  • Salesforce ohana33
    Microsoft, Salesforce, Amazon are Tier 2
    Jan 29 8
    • Airbnb 0x00000000
      Lol salesforce is definitely not. Unless you mean for sales, In which case it’s tier 1
      Jan 29
    • Salesforce ohana33
      Data don’t lie:
      Jan 29
    • Airbnb 0x00000000
      Yeah... that’s not what we’re talking about. Engineering quality is subpar, tech stack is way behind, comp is bad, refreshers are notoriously stingy.
      Jan 29
    • Salesforce ohana33
      I’ll take it over this:
      Jan 29
    • Airbnb 0x00000000
      You demonstrate the exact level of analytical rigor that I’ve come to expect from the sfdc cohort.
      Jan 30
    • Salesforce Melon123
      Why is Salesforce so low, bro?
      Jan 31
    • Oracle aink3
      @0x0000000... did you work at salesforce to comment on engineering quality subpar or you are assuming?
      Feb 3
    • Airbnb / Eng 0x00000000
      Yes, interned there.
      Feb 10
  • Microsoft BcrX06
    Microsoft > Amazon, Palantir, Dropbox
    Palantir > Dropbox, Snap
    Jan 28 7
    • New / Finance
      CivilLines

      New Finance

      PRE
      Goldman Sachs, TPG, Palantir
      CivilLinesmore
      Lmao
      Jan 28
    • Bloomberg / Eng iVX372
      You must be living in some kind of alternate reality to rank Amazon above Dropbox and Snap
      Jan 28
    • Microsoft BcrX06
      That's not what I said. There's a line break separating two different expressions.
      Jan 28
    • Bloomberg / Eng iVX372
      Even so, you must be living in an alternate universe to rank Amazon as equivalent to Dropbox. And Palantir above Dropbox, for that matter. I've heard everyone works 80 hour weeks at Palantir
      Jan 28
    • Microsoft BcrX06
      I've worked at both Palantir and Dropbox
      Jan 28
    • Bloomberg / Eng iVX372
      How would you compare Palantir and Dropbox, then? And have you worked at Amazon?
      Jan 29
    • Apple / Eng 🚲 seeker
      Lol, Dropbox >>> msft
      Jan 29
  • Airbnb 0x00000000
    Stripe is Tier 1 or 2, at least for eng
    Jan 28 1
    • Square / Eng Sraf58
      I'd put stripe at least at 1.5 for their eng talent and outlook.
      Jan 28
  • New / R&D zorkan
    In Seattle my perspective is,
    T1: Facebook, Google, Allen Institute for AI (AI2)
    T2: Microsoft, Vulcan, Tableau, Amazon, Expedia, 5% of unknown startups
    T3: Groupon, Nvidia, Intel, Tesla, Unity, Apple, Uber, Zillow, Redfin, Dropbox, DocuSign, Getty, Axon, Valve, Airbnb, 30% of unknown startups
    T4: Concur, F5, Boeing, Twitter, Dell, EA, IBM, Cisco, Oracle, Nintendo, Bungie, Nordstrom, Pop Cap, the banks, 35% of unknown startups
    T5: most other non-tech companies (eg; Starbucks), 20% of unknown startups
    T😥: consulting firms that compensate poorly (eg under 70k), 10% of unknown startups.

    Mostly based on local presence, how cool the offices are, and my observations of employee happiness.
    Edit: increased granularity between T2-T3
    Edit2: changed the mid tiers
    Jan 28 9
    • Autodesk hoWs08
      OP
      Where is Apple? I think they have good number of engineers out there
      Jan 28
    • New / R&D zorkan
      I guess they have an office downtown, but I think it's under 1k ppl and they don't feel like a major target for talent here. Every company above T3 holds massive influence within Seattle and it's tech scene - and their campuses have some of most interesting teams within their companies (eg; all the VR, AR, and ML stuff).

      I'm sure I missed a lot of other great companies, this is just knee jerk opinions off the top of my head. I'm pretty confident T1,2,3 are correct though. I grew up and went to college here; I know where people try to go and where they end up.
      Jan 28
    • Autodesk hoWs08
      OP
      Lol, Expedia before Apple, Uber? Evan Dara got an upgrade
      Jan 28
    • New / R&D zorkan
      Expedia is massive here. They've influenced local legislature and zoning more than anyone below T3 (sans Boeing). They have also been very successful at recruiting/marketing themselves as a top tier employer at universities accross the state.
      Jan 28
    • New / R&D zorkan
      This is a localized view. Not claiming it is globally or generally correct. This is just the landscape in Seattle. Uber and Apple, while very prestigious companies, are seen more as satellite campuses here.

      Eg; If you walk into a bar of SWEs and say you work at Uber (in Seattle) vs. AI2, Tablaue, or Expedia, they will probably think you are driving a car on the weekends. And even if you correct them, they may still think you are not working on anything as prestigious or important.
      Jan 28
    • Salesforce top kek
      Where is the other 10% of startups
      Jan 28
    • New / R&D zorkan
      @top I think I messed it up in my 1st edit. Fixed.
      Jan 28
    • Amazon Asfjfk
      Do you have any examples of T2 startups on the top of your head?
      Feb 3
    • New / R&D zorkan
      xnor.ai, maybe Rover (gets a tier bump because 🐶). From a technical POV it's hard to say, but there are many startups you've never heard of and then you look at their tech/code and it's like "damn". I'd guesstimate that a very small percentage of the unknowns in Seattle startup pool captures that.
      Feb 3
  • Zillow Group Sr. Troll
    Jan 29 0
  • Vertivco / Eng
    FastPapuan

    Vertivco Eng

    PRE
    Youtube, American Bureau of Shipping, Facebook
    FastPapuanmore
    Square should be Tear 1 or 2.
    Jan 28 2
    • Bloomberg / Eng iVX372
      Agreed. Tier 2.

      Definitely at least 1 tier higher than Amazon
      Jan 28
    • Square / Eng Sraf58
      Definitely better than a few in OP's tier 3.
      Jan 28
  • Apple / Eng 🚲 seeker
    Stop trying to make tiers happen. They’re not going to happen.
    Jan 29 1
  • Apple xUEdsjT
    Why would you say Apple > Microsoft? Especially say if Microsoft is offering more TC
    Jan 29 1
    • Apple / Eng 🚲 seeker
      Microsoft doesn’t offer more TC lol.. and definitely not once u factor in refreshers
      Jan 29
  • Microsoft lstunk
    Lol FB tier 1? Is it based on their stock return or based on loads of scandals.
    Jan 29 0
  • Bloomberg / Eng iVX372
    Looks about right, except that Amazon should be tier 4 or 5.

    Even if the tiers are 100% correct, I'd still prefer working at any of the tier 2 companies over FB and Netflix.
    Jan 28 5
    • Amazon JSnowflake
      LOL, no. Other than on WLB, Amazon is vastly superior to all the other Tier 3-5 companies on this list.
      Jan 28
    • Square / Eng Sraf58
      I guess other than TC, WLB, benefits, culture, etc, Amazon is superior than all rest of tier 3 in the list.
      Jan 28
    • Amazon JSnowflake
      Except that it is better on TC, benefits are actually pretty decent, and culture is far superior to through other tier 3s mentioned.
      Jan 28
    • Square / Eng Sraf58
      I believe you. Always trust someone with enough potassium intake.
      Jan 28
    • Bloomberg / Eng iVX372
      What benefits? Other than free bananas, coffee and 2 or 3 weeks of vacation? Other tech companies give 3 free meals per day, 4 weeks or unlimited PTO, an onsite gym, a 401(k) match and equally vested stock. And because of its high attrition, massive hiring demand and poor reputation as a workplace, Amazon's hiring bar is undoubtedly lower than those companies. And besides, it is one of the few companies on this list with forced attrition, in addition to FB and N.

      Your only argument might be that Amazon's software and infra is better than the other tier 3 companies, due to its massive scale and variety and depth in automation.
      Jan 29
  • Google / Eng
    prodaccess

    Google Eng

    BIO
    Top Contributor or GTFO
    prodaccessmore
    TC is king. I will move from Google to any of these companies if they can give me a 20% bump.
    Jan 28 2
  • New eQjn37
    Facebook is tier 1 ?? I can’t see them lasting long
    Jan 29 0
  • Intel / Media Becky Poop
    I agree Intel should be on the bottom. Company has fallen so far down it is amazing.
    Jan 29 0
  • VMware pOQO24
    Does Facebook have good WLB? I understand they are tier 1 because of TC but I heard horrible stories about WLB there
    Mar 14 1
    • Bloomberg / Eng iVX372
      No. You answered your own question
      Mar 14
  • New inmann
    Why would you put Autodesk that low?
    Feb 10 0
  • Oracle / Eng Zokerberg
    VMware is tier 2 dude.
    Feb 8 0
  • Bloomberg / Eng iVX372
    FB and Netflix should be tier 2. Both have forced attrition policies and terrible WLB, so they aren't in the same category as Google.

    Square and Twitter should both be tier 2 or 3.
    Jan 29 0
  • Facebook / Eng TCYOE
    Looks very similar to the list I always post... 👀
    Jan 28 0

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