To the person complaining Asians don’t get into harvard

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Jul 19, 2018 41 Comments

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To the person complaining Asians don’t get into harvard

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  • Google notmetoo2
    What does these graphs tell us? Nothing. Just that the proportion of races were mostly maintained. Asians might have deserved 100% of the seats and yet, are kept within proportion. They might have deserved no seats and yet kept within the proportion. There is no really useful info there.
    Jul 19, 2018 0
  • Facebook Mixitup
    This guy...clearly not a data person. This is hilarious.
    Jul 19, 2018 3
    • Amazon dNVK67
      OP
      Woops
      Jul 19, 2018
    • Cisco bkwS20
      I know right.. how he came up with that conclusion statistic is ridiculous
      Jul 19, 2018
    • Google / Eng
      chicke

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      chickemore
      "woops". Yeah typical case of when you have an answer already then look for data to back it up.
      Jul 19, 2018
  • Microsoft Down
    I can whip up a nice infographic that says otherwise and share it everywhere ya know.
    Jul 19, 2018 1
    • Facebook Eirne
      OP is wrong. Asians need to study twice as hard to make the cut - just look at the score cutoffs
      Jul 23, 2018
  • Uber HvHe08
    I’m not advocating against affirmative action but you are missing the point and actually proving their case.

    The point is that Asians, on average, consistently score higher on SAT and GPA as compared to other races, but admission rates do NOT reflect that.
    Jul 19, 2018 4
    • Microsoft / Eng Tier 1
      This is due to a culture of studying for the test rather than studying to understand the material. Creativity and intuitive understanding > raw test scores
      Jul 19, 2018
    • Amazon / Eng 91mm
      lmao if you think harvard admissions tests your fucking creativity and intuition.

      legacy > all
      Jul 19, 2018
    • eBay ottoman
      College admission is not based entirely on your SAT scores and GPA. Environment is also a consideration as well as what you say in your essay
      Jul 19, 2018
    • New / Mktg
      Mojoman

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      Mojomanmore
      Harvard admits a ton of legacy students. And the vast majority of legacy students are white folks. Rich protestant white folks, not even poor Catholics
      Jul 26, 2018
  • Apple Google L7
    Then there should be no reason to keep affirmative action right?
    Jul 19, 2018 0
  • Facebook Julio
    Of course it’s proportional, it’s been tailored by raising the bar for Asians and lowering it for others.
    Equality of outcome instead of equality of opportunity.
    Jul 19, 2018 1
    • Facebook Eirne
      This. OP needs educating
      Jul 23, 2018
  • Amazon dNVK67
    OP
    Ahh I only understood now that people who advocate against this believe that purely meritocratic decisions should be made for college admissions rather than decisions that account for individuals’ inequitable access to resources. Multiple studies show that stuff like SATs are deeply related to wealth as well as other resources. My personal belief is that college should attempt to balance out this inequitable distribution of academic and financial resources through affirmative action (both in terms of wealth and race/ethnicity) but I can see how others may hold alternative opinions.
    Jul 19, 2018 5
    • Microsoft Down
      That's such a horrible correlation honestly. Sure wealth does bring better resources and access to quality training for SAT prep. It stills fall on that student to do well in the SATs at the end of the day. Discrediting a high SAT score and attributing it to privilege is a very vile thing to say. Regardless of what resources you may have had, you will always have to work hard. Just because you prefix sentences with "few studies" does not mean it adds merit to your claims. I am for equity. I am against racism. But I will not be for fighting racism with reverse racism.
      Jul 19, 2018
    • Facebook Julio
      This can be extended indefinitely. Should we have AA based on IQ as well? If someone was born stupid it ain’t their fault
      Jul 19, 2018
    • Amazon dNVK67
      OP
      Equity means equitable opportunity, which is not, in my opinion, a reality as of now. Students from different backgrounds attend and have access to vastly different schools, academic opportunities etc. I guess I should have clarified that it isn’t just a few studies but probably almost every recent study within the field of neuroscience/psychology related to race/education/ class that demonstrates the impact of environmental and resource inequities across individuals from different groups. Everything from studies on stereotype threat to studies that demonstrate how American culture disallow individuals of color who have faced historic racism from demonstrating their merit — suggest the very real necessity of affirmative action. It’s always interesting to hear the reasons people oppose affirmative action — whether it be an unwillingness to acknowledge their own privileges, an ignorance to the disparate experiences of individuals face in the world or because individuals simplistically believe it is about “working hard.” Take for instance multiple studies done that demonstrate the highest performing students at the poorest schools perform similarly to the worst performing students at the most wealthy schools — and the primary factor for this difference being wealth...that is far from equity. Equity and true meritocracy is about individuals’ performance under equitable conditions. Unfortunately our world doesn’t allow for that as of now so t is the role of educational institutions to attempt to correct these inequities.
      Jul 19, 2018
    • Microsoft Down
      I don't disagree that social reform is required. I completely agree with your notion of equitable opportunities. But the current trends of affirmative action and anti whiteness is the not the way to go. It is just plain racism manifesting differently. We need social reform, we need to stop looking at race. It's just a level of pigmentation. I am neither black nor white mind you. But I am a follower of MLK. What's happening goes everything against what he wanted. Please understand what I am trying to say. I am often labeled an alt righter/nazi when I express these opinions.
      Jul 19, 2018
    • Facebook Eirne
      OP go learn the distinction between equality of opportunity and equality of outcome. Until then your arguments are incoherent and wrong.
      Jul 23, 2018
  • Microsoft / Eng Tier 1
    This is a classic example of lying through statistics.

    The distribution of the probability of applying to Harvard given your GPA, for example, likely varies by race.
    Jul 19, 2018 0
  • LinkedIn Zbahejr
    What a dumbass argument! Tomorrow if all 2.5 billion ppl from Asia apply will Harvard give admits to them in those proportions?

    The case against Harvard was it was not being meritocratic in its decision. They were capping the Asian student admit rate based on their race and not on their merit.
    Jul 19, 2018 0
  • Microsoft / Eng
    abshx

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    abshxmore
    OP, were you the one who screwed up the Amazon site on prime day?
    Jul 19, 2018 0
  • Airbnb Lfnfbebd
    Look at top colleges that actually don’t practice affirmative action (that are required to ignore race entirely by law). University of Washington is one example:

    https://www.washington.edu/omad/files/2011/11/Demographics-State-of-Washington-Population-vs-UW-Seattle-Undergraduate-Enrollment.pdf

    The proportion of Asians in WA is 7% and the number at the school is 27%. That effect should be larger as you get to higher level schools too.
    Jul 19, 2018 0
  • Google / Eng
    chicke

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    chickemore
    The person who created this infographic and OP do not have common sense. So sad that they hold strong opinions and are so outward about it.

    Even when they admit they finally understand the flawed logic behind this they still try to talk feelings.

    The fact that we penalize people who are unrelated to the hardships that another person is facing is not ethical. And to lump wealth inequity with race...hmm.
    Jul 19, 2018 0
  • Amazon dNVK67
    OP
    Link to check out research by Stanford dude on economic diversity at different Universities: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/projects/college-mobility/stanford-university
    Jul 19, 2018 1
    • Google fmllmf
      Honestly stfu OP, you're embarassing yourself
      Jul 19, 2018
  • New UHtz31
    just a quick nit, the chart makes a volume statement based on a ratio benchmark, it isn't apples to apples.

    Sans affirmative action, the final admitted ratio can be all or none asians given that the asian applicant pool is much larger than the total class size permissible.

    The correct inference that can be made from this chart is Harvard's affirmative action policy is aligned to applicant's ethnicity by weight from their total applicant pool
    Jul 19, 2018 0
  • Expedia hGsF86
    I'm worried about the engineer quality in Amazon now , apparently you don't know much basic statistics or logic. Hope ur just try to be a bad person or try to fool other ppl
    Jul 19, 2018 0
  • Citrix Systems XDOa40
    Not happy with how a school decides? Easy. Go to another one. If you are really that good then you can go to other top schools too.
    Jul 19, 2018 1
    • Google King Kai
      Accepting the status quo? Naw bro, we’re disrupters.
      Jul 19, 2018
  • Google fmllmf
    Nice painting and all but ur logic is wrong.
    Jul 19, 2018 0
  • Google King Kai
    Lmfao this cracked me up a little
    Jul 19, 2018 0
  • GE
    Listener7

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    Listener7more
    Details break down analysis is required. Breakup by streams. Data person knows how simpsons paradox can force us to make weired conclusion. OP need to have details report
    Jul 19, 2018 3
    • Facebook Mixitup
      This is not Simpson’s paradox
      Jul 19, 2018
    • GE
      Listener7

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      Listener7more
      I see this is Aggregate data. If we look at aggregate data then we could be concluding wrong. Thats the paradox
      Jul 19, 2018
    • Facebook Mixitup
      No, his error is not Simpson’s paradox. His error is one of seduction.
      Jul 19, 2018
  • Adobe qhjh63
    All I can see from this post is Harvard is smart and they did a good job in tailoring the admission rate
    Jul 19, 2018 0

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