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To the woman at Facebook who left because of her perceived lack of “diversity/inclusion”

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Jan 7

Thank you for leaving. I cannot express to you how glad I am that people like you are finally exiting this company.

You stated in your post that you wanted to work somewhere where you couldn’t say “white privilege doesn’t exist”. In other words, you wanted to work at a company where you could not express a different opinion. You are the antithesis to the values of free speech and I am glad that people like you who go against that choose to leave.

I believe that white privilege exists. I’m a brown guy who has seen this in real life many times. I have seen it more so in social situations although it probably also does exist somewhat in corporate and leadership. However, I do also think it’s not as powerful of an effect as in the past, and I do also think that in tech, being of African American or Latino origin actually gives you privileges as well (check out the recent lawsuit against Google by a recruiter). Nevertheless, I will never ever be such a weak coward that allows people to not express their opinion. I want to work for a company and interact with people who can freely express their opinion. For the people who want to say white privilege does or does not exist, please do so. Please express yourself and let’s not live in echo chambers. This is what Facebook, all companies, and all kinds of human interaction should be all about.

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  • Microsoft Decius Mus
    There are minorities (East Asians, Jews) in the US that do better than Whites. Weird that we never focus on that privilege.
    Jan 712
    • Microsoft hotsteppa
      Ditto
      Jan 7
    • Wells Fargo / ITaggie
      Well said Facebook. America has a very stupid view when it comes to privilege, inequality and immigration.
      But I know Indians who migrated to the US say that they're privileged. Cucks.
      Jan 7
    • Facebook sensitive
      ^ Indians who migrated to the US are privileged compared to the lot back home. If you’re going to compare someone who had to move to a different country to feel privileged and someone who has a lot of privileges just because they are white, and are not able to see what ‘white privilege’ is, idk what to say.
      Jan 7
    • Wells Fargo / ITaggie
      Not the majority. The majority of Indians have had no more privilege than the average non white American. Unless you count education, hard-work and a culture of frugality as 'privilige'.
      Jan 7
    • PTC / IT
      noogler19

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      I feel that the two major reasons for Indians being the richest minority are..
      1. A vast Majority are engineers or doctors. Esp the first generation Indians. They all arrived on h1 or L1 visas. The burger flippers and art history majors are rarely granted that visa ( unless they are internationally recognized burger flippers .. with articles published in journals. )
      If you compare Indians with avg American doctor / engineer, the Indian is not necessarily richer. The main reason for them being richer is that there's a H1B filter applied to the sample space.
      2. An Indian who saves 20% of his salary is considered a lavish spender by his Indian peers. Avg Indian thrives to save 25 to 40% of salary. That's a cultural thing. That saving rate over decades, definitely makes a difference.
      Jan 7
    • PTC / IT
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      And I don't think either of that is a privilege. However.. second and third generation Indian Americans are the most privileged bunch I have ever seen.. mostly stable families.. educated rich parents.. no lack of role models in family and around.. parents willing to sacrifice long commute time for better school districts.. typically parents paying for education.. and so on. ( Asian parents can be overbearing, but I m not sure if that outweighs all the benefits of having them :))
      Jan 7
    • New ktFx33
      The reason for the influx of foreign doctors is also that American trained physicians often don’t want the low pay specialties like primary care. Thus many residency spots are either unclaimed or filled only with foreign doctors (who passes the step exams) because these hospitals, often remote, literally have no other option. So we should be thankful for them
      Jan 7
    • Microsoft hotsteppa
      Damn, noogler19, did you farm all that through ThingWorx?
      Jan 7
    • LinkedIn 紅色貓咪
      Second and third generation Asian Americans are usually very privileged
      Jan 7
    • Facebook sensitive
      @noogler19 is on point.
      Jan 7
  • Microsoft / Eng
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    I can totally see why OP thinks white privilege exists. I have yet to meet anyone in professional environment who writes and reasons as incoherently as OP does. Not to mention the fact that the whole point of OP’s post is beyond moot and requires a certain.......... mindset as pointed out above by @mikedell.
    Jan 710
    • Facebook / Eng
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      OP
      Ironic given that your comment makes zero sense.
      Jan 7
    • Microsoft / Eng
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      It is an indirect diss at your intelligence and reasoning ability. Given that you failed to see that only confirms my suspicions.

      You start off your post with finding a reason to celebrate when someone who doesn’t share your opinion on social justice matters leaving your company. It is almost as if you seriously believe it’s gonna make any difference whatsoever.
      Jan 7
    • Facebook / Eng
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      K
      Jan 7
    • Microsoft / Eng
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      And he folds.
      Jan 7
    • Facebook / Eng
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      Nice comment edit.
      Jan 7
    • Microsoft / Eng
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      Thanks. I’m glad you appreciate the work I’m putting into this. Perhaps I judged you too harshly?
      Jan 7
    • Facebook / Eng
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      Anyways, now that I see your sneaky edit, it is clear from my post that I wasn’t happy with a person who doesn’t share my opinion leaving. I was happy with the fact that someone who doesn’t want others to freely express their opinions is leaving.
      Jan 7
    • Microsoft / Eng
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      Yup, you’re right about that. It appears I’m the one with comprehension problems.
      Jan 7
    • Microsoft / Engmycockhard
      Wait a minute, what’s the final call here? Should I get popcorn or too late??
      Jan 7
    • PayPal vdAR66
      OP can’t write at a 5th grade level. That is yet another privilege
      Jan 7
  • Amazon gemalto
    What is this post even saying
    Jan 79
    • Microsoft / Eng
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      1. OP is ecstatic a female social justice warrior who was anti-free speech (can’t say white privilege doesn’t exist) left Facebook.
      2. OP shares personal experience and his thoughts on white privilege being a thing that exists.
      3. Encourages others to express their opinion freely on white privilege.
      Jan 7
    • Amazon gemalto
      I'm sorry but I'm still confused. Is OP for or against free speech? Is OP for or against white privilege?
      Jan 7
    • Microsoft / Eng
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      Pro free speech. He is neither for nor against white privilege.
      Jan 7
    • Facebook sensitive
      If he is for free speech why is he fussing someone who is expressing their opinion on ‘White privilege does exist! Don’t try to gaslight me by saying it doesn’t.’
      Jan 7
    • Microsoft / Eng
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      Cognitive dissonance is a requirement for anyone who engages in social justice discussions.
      Jan 7
    • Facebook / Eng
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      She said that people shouldn’t allow certain opinions to be expressed. So, I am happy that someone who doesn’t support free speech left. This doesn’t mean that she doesn’t have the *right* to not support free speech as an opinion.
      Jan 7
    • New hpeu61
      Question: does this mean you support racist and anti-asian discussion too, in the name of free speech?
      Jan 7
    • Facebook / Eng
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      You’re comparing racism to an opinion of saying that white privilege doesn’t exist. Stop being so obtuse.

      But personally, I actually don’t mind racism as long as racism against everyone including my race is allowed. However, in a company context, I don’t think racism should be allowed.
      Jan 7
    • Amazon gemalto
      This is the weirdest thread
      Jan 7
  • Microsoft / EngDr. 13
    Cool story brah
    Jan 76
  • Fullscreen emerber
    Companies are for working and trading that work time for money. The end.
    Jan 70
  • Docker / OtherDocBenioff
    Lol k dude you're not a strong non-coward, just poorly informed.
    Jan 70
  • Facebook WqcO54
    "You stated in your post that you wanted to work somewhere where you couldn’t say “white privilege doesn’t exist”."

    I think you need to go back and re-read that post. You've clearly misunderstood it.

    The notion of Freedom of Speech comes with a certain amount responsibility. If I believed it, I could post something about Nazi-Germany and the atrocities that it committed as being acceptable (I don't believe this). They're not acceptable, and in no social environment should they ever be, but I am exercising Freedom of Speech, albeit disrespectfully.

    I'm white. White Privilege very much exists, and it's not ok to say that it doesn't. Speak to any African-American and I am sure they will agree.
    Jan 71
    • Oath / Otherbyebioath
      So at a certain point though, isn’t everyone oppressed?

      Like I’m a chick. So I’m oppressed.

      And my husband is a white male but he grew up super poor and a Jehovah’s Witness as the only white kid in an all black neighborhood so he’s oppressed.

      And my best friend is a white male but he’s gay, definitely oppressed.

      And my other friend is white but she’s a Jew soooooo. Oppressed.

      And the truth is none of us are really oppressed, we were all (except me) lower income who made it to middle income through our brains and hard work. And we were all had some hurdle or another. And I think a lot of times when people say white privilege doesn’t exist it’s not white privilege isn’t real, because it is, it’s just that there’s some other hurdle that cancels that shit out most of the time.

      And it’s especially a slap in the face for majority of poor people right now who guess what... happen to be white

      https://www.economist.com/democracy-in-america/2018/02/20/black-americans-are-over-represented-in-media-portrayals-of-poverty
      Jan 7
  • Facebook / Engehuhbsa
    Why are you so dumb to leak Internal post? You are putting your job on the line
    Jan 92
    • Microsoft / EngDr. 13
      How? Or do you believe blind is not anonymous?
      Jan 9
    • New AaBaA
      Why tf are you stopping her?? We need to know what's going on internally too. If you're more being transparent, then there's something horrendously wrong with your bs culture
      Jan 9
  • Facebook / Engtuscan
    Blind is not anonymous. Stop fucking posting company internal post
    Jan 72
    • Microsoft / Eng
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      Too late. I’ve already traded stock based on information OP provided and have made 6 figures.

      If only OP could keep your company’s secrets safe.
      Jan 7
    • New AaBaA
      Just curious, did OP post the same thing verbatim internally as well? So everyone at FB knows who OP is?
      Jan 9
  • New / Other
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    Sooo confused. So people are allowed to have their own opinion AND continue working in environments not conducive to their success in order for them NOT to be weak? This logic is stupid. We should want more people who push uncomfortable conversations not less. Free speech was never free in the US...its come close only by ppl fighting for social justice. But you want all of them to leave. Oh okay.
    Jan 71
    • Chase / EngMom22Many
      Correction, it comes by those who serve in the military who protect our freedoms everyday.

      Whatever happened to "I do not like what you are saying but I'll defend your right to say it"? I want people to speak up and say what they think. Then I know whether I want to associate with them.
      Jan 7
  • New TaaT11
    I think mental health is a serious issue and OP should take care about it
    Jan 70
  • New DvVM00
    sorry your understanding is so poor. you cannot personally see white privilege. it’s not an individual concept like the white person in line behind you getting served first. it’s a statistical and institutional thing, something that can be seen in (eg) over representation of white males on corporate boards.
    Jan 70
  • New TaaT11
    Jan 70
  • Intel holy_moly
    Need STAR approach here. :)
    Jan 71
    • Google oppgcp
      You’re a shoe in at google w that logic buccaroo!
      Jan 7

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