Too many wannabes entering our industry
Everyone and their mom (see the other post about a housewife wanting to get into coding) is trying to get into our industry cause they want that sweet TC and perks like free breakfast, lunch and dinner. These people are not your typically software engineers (i.e., interested in computers from a very young age, writes apps for fun, code on the weekend, etc). These people goto coding boot camps, leetcode, barely pass the hiring bar, end up being the weakest link on the team and in the end are just wannabes. Does anyone else think our industry is becoming saturated with too many “software engineers”?
If they can do the job why does it matter? Although working with people with no passion does suck.
Supply & demand
Oh so you feel insecured about your future TC
Nothing wrong with that? Everyone brings a different perspective based on their backgrounds, and will help push the industry forward
That is different that coding just so you can get into the industry and having no interest in computers or systems to begin with.
People don’t have to come from a certain path of life. If they want to try, they try. If they make it, they deserve their spot. Everyone else’s life decisions when it comes to sudden interest in a career path, be it developing, design, finance or whatever, If they’re trying and they have the skills and qualify, they aren’t fake. They’re real.
Who gives a shit. Good for them.
There is chronic shortage of skilled people in the industry. If people are working on building skills to get into a new job market, that is actually the best news for the economy.
I think we need more contractors (house remodeling type). Have you ever tried to get any work done on your house? It costs an arm and a leg. Those guys are making bank. Supply very low, no new grad wants to enter construction.
Or this is because housing exploded in the last few years and it takes several years for people to fill in the market? Also it's not for everyone. Very different lifestyle. Physical work and you will be very tired a lot. A lot of people aren't up for that and would rather sit at a desk and drink free red bulls
If you want to criticize others who come into our industry for not sharing your background, then you also shouldn't call yourself a "software engineer" without an actual engineering degree and license. Keep that in mind when trying to feel superior and evaluate your peers on capability, not background.
I have a real CS degree. Not like those wannabes with an MIS major or went to a 3 month boot camp. Or music major or Econ major.
CS is not engineering, it's science. So you're a software developer, like 99% of the industry, not a software engineer. So would you enjoy being shamed for being a wannabe software engineer? Get over yourself and appreciate that our industry is in high demand.
If they don't, companies will just find them from overseas
Very much so. Product engineering is full of people focused on shipping impact while ruining the codebase. Asking them to cut fewer corners and learn how to do things the right way (which means taking a little extra time now to save a lot of time down the road) is typically met with disinterest if not anger. They have no general interest in learning, why things should be done this way or that way, or discussion. They only think about the happy codepath and "well it works on my machine", or "I'll write tests for this later" (no, they never do) This isn't just at Facebook, but everywhere I've worked that wasn't very small and very selective in hiring. If you don't actually care about problem solving you shouldn't be an engineer. But big companies are so desperate they'll hire anyone... even though the reason they need so many people now is because of ignoring tech debt and trying to hire more people who are just less productive because of all the tech debt. Thus continuing the cycle of needing vastly more people and datacenters, very myopic and only pays off because of artificial monopoly status each big tech company enjoys in its little realm.
Well put! It’s hard for somebody to care about software excellence when they can’t change a setting on their computer. It’s just boring to most people
Isn't FB very selective tho.. if someone answers one of your questions with one single bug they get rejected so
You feel threatened, bro?
Coding bootcamp people are rarely good.
Being at Oath, do you feel threatened bro?