Trouble getting interviews anywhere in Seattle

Microsoft yukkuri
Jul 25 18 Comments

Dropped out of my cs degree, got a job with a mom and pop shop in bumfuck nowhere @ 40k TC, stayed for a year and got a job with an msft contractor in seattle (dash trash mode) @ 90k TC, and I've been here 9 months, trying to look around and get interviews because while 90k is baller coming from 40k, I'm still making a lot less than market rate. But I'm having trouble even getting into any interview loops, only thing I get is more contract recruiter spam. I thought degree wouldn't really matter after I got real work experience but maybe that wasn't entirely true?

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  • Oath Atinlay2
    With zero experience and zero degree, you’re making over market rate.
    Jul 25 4
    • Microsoft yukkuri
      OP
      1 yr 9 mo exp == 0 exp? I know I don't have a degree but my coworkers all do (and did) and I am doing the same work.
      Jul 25
    • Oath Atinlay2
      It’s not relevant yoe. Your co-workers degrees are not your degrees
      Jul 25
    • Microsoft yukkuri
      OP
      Relevant to what? The point was that I am doing the same work as people who have the degrees, so how is the experience irrelevant? Unless you mean the work my org is doing is irrelevant or something?
      Jul 25
    • Oath Atinlay2
      Contracting isn’t the same as an FTE
      Jul 25
  • Amazon / Eng AMZNBucks
    You have no degree and you're a contractor. That's your market rate right now
    Jul 25 1
    • SAP / Eng
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      +1
      Jul 25
  • Microsoft / Eng laketake
    OP you are being paid market rate for a contract position. You have 2 paths in front of you:

    1. Work really hard, distinguish yourself from your peers. Get to the point where you are the go-to guy for a certain area. Now discuss with your group's engineering manager about moving to a FTE position. From this point you are set.

    Option 2:
    Either do part time or save enough money to quit and go get your degree. Apply back to MSFT or other companies for a full time role.

    I would think that #1 is easier route since u already have a foot in the door.
    Jul 25 0
  • Amazon prague
    Is it easy to covert to FTE at Microsoft ?
    Get out of the contract trap right away.Otherwise you’ll be stuck contracting forever .
    Moving to the Bay Area would t be a bad idea
    Jul 25 0
  • Microsoft hworld
    Build credibility, convert into a full time then try to optimize TC
    Jul 25 0
  • SAP / Eng
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    What school did u drop out from ?
    Jul 25 1
    • Microsoft yukkuri
      OP
      Uni of south florida, I ran out of money while paying my own way and read that degree doesn't matter if you get your foot in the door with a real job (which might not actually be true I guess)
      Jul 25
  • PwC rofld
    Skillset ?
    Jul 25 1
    • Microsoft yukkuri
      OP
      First job was ASP.NET MVC with lots of SQL work, current is typescript frontend + C# backend working on Azure
      Jul 25
  • Microsoft meanwhile
    Try Cruise automation and UIPath. They are expanding and don’t seem care much about degree. The founder of Cruise didn’t go to 4 year college it seems. UIpath is Czech based in Bellevue and Eastern Europeans don’t respect US college degree anyway :) you gotta hit the companies in hiring spree.
    Jul 25 0
  • Microsoft meanwhile
    Ping recruiters in LinkedIn. Some people don’t mention they are contractors though some recruiters will check whether u are fte or not. Perhaps you were too honest unlike many people. I have seen many venders not mentioning them as contractors. Also try ping Amazon recruiters.

    I think the degree is not the main issue. Contractor plus too few years of experience. Many offices in Seattle have already closed on hiring low levels such as SDE 2. Unlike Microsoft, most start hiring in the beginning of year. You can find lots of Blind posts about not hiring non seniors any more.
    Jul 25 0
  • Bloomberg Stan Ford
    Stick with it for a while. Is another company getting a cut from your contractor money? If so don’t be upset with Microsoft and stick with it until they make you full time. You don’t want to be a job hopper on top of being self taught.
    Jul 25 0
  • New SpRJ26
    Move to Bay Area. Tons of startups here. They don’t give an shieet if you have a degree, only if you are a good programmer.
    Jul 25 0

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