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Trump is making immigration worse

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Here are things impacted by the shutdown:

1. Border agents aren't being paid and are beginning to not show up to work

2. Immigration courts are closed and the governnent is starting to miss case deadlines and being forced to release people

3. e-Verify is offline so employers can't verify whether somebody is legal to work

4. TSA agents aren't being paid and are starting to not show up to work

6. Coast guard agents aren't being paid and were told to have a garage sale. They are going to start not showing up.

If the shutdown goes on much longer instead of a fake crisis with illegal immigrants Trump's going to have a real one resulting from no enforcement.

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  • New / Eng
    hYw82bsos

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    He doesn't care. He is a spoiled child that is throwing a tantrum because he isn't getting what he wants.

    He thus far has failed to provide the wall, the biggest thing that he promised and built his election on. He doesn't want to fail and have to live with it so he is doing whatever to get it done, obviously not what is best for the country
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  • Honeywell / Design
    jiz56g

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    Leetcoding is overrated
    jiz56gmore
    As if the Donald gives a fuck to these concerns
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    • Palo Alto Networks LWtE67
      Actions speak louder than tweets
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    • Oath / MgmtAtinlay
      They do, but actions start as ideas.
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    • Microsoft / Engleet_away
      What actions did the Democrats take for legal immigrants? If not actions, at least what ideas/proposals did they bring? I believe the only mention of legal immigrants was when Obama said he wouldn’t fix legal immigration as a stand-alone thing without also doing something for the illegals. So I guess his inaction does count as action in this case...
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  • Rubrik blindedog
    Yes
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  • Intel Jopdi(78
    It’s almost as if they should give him the $5B of funding given that represents .1% of government spending and defending the border is the most basic job of a government.
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    • Intel Jopdi(78
      Yeah, but that won’t happen, so Build the Wall
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    • Amazon t8g5r
      OP
      Why? Wall accomplished nothing if anyone can walk up to the border and say "open sesame" and the guards open the gate and step aside.

      The magic words are "I'm requesting asylum".
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    • Intel Appm$$/
      Asylum law requires you be persecuted in your home country due to your religion, race, nationality, political opinion, or societal group. Can’t just be, “My country is a real shithole.”

      Dan Crenshaw has a good Op-Ed in WSJ that articles why the wall will be effective.
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    • Amazon t8g5r
      OP
      Yeah but you can show up at the border with a totally fake claim and say "open sesame" and you will be let into the country. Then when your hearing is scheduled, where you will be denied, you just don't show up for it and disappear into the illegal worker economy.

      Border wall is useless until that is fixed.
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    • Oath / MgmtAtinlay
      Asylum also requires you to present yourself at a border checkpoint, not just come across the border as you please. It’s even illegal for citizens to cross the boarder at a non-checkpoint. The wall has nothing to do with asylum seekers. The wall is for people trying to cross illegally. Don’t conflate the two.
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    • Amazon t8g5r
      OP
      Asylum does NOT require you to present yourself at a check point. I suggested it SHOULD, but it doesn't. Which is why people hop over and then wave down border patrol to make their claim.

      And asylum is deeply linked to illegal immigration. You don't need to sneak across, you just make an asylum claim. Then when you are released into the country you disappear and work illegally, never showing up for hearing.

      It makes the border wall pointless.
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    • Amazon t8g5r
      OP
      Yup. So as your link says:

      "You may apply for asylum status regardless of how you arrived in the United States or your current immigration status."
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    • Oath / MgmtAtinlay
      Not everyone wants asylum and it does not make the wall pointless.
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    • Amazon t8g5r
      OP
      Of course they don't want it, they just say the magic words and open sesame. Then they walk into the US and disappear, never even show up to their hearing.
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  • Microsoft lalalond
    I don’t support Trump but a border sheriff of 30 years was speaking in The Daily pod cast interview that there had been humanitarian crisis in the border. So many people are dying and lots of rape and assault had been happening. I recommend listening to it and think about it.
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    • Amazon t8g5r
      OP
      Wall won't change that though, they are queued up to make their asylum claims and Trump has artificially slowed down the rate of applications.

      No matter how high the wall is they are going to hang out there until they get to make their claim.
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    • Microsoft lalalond
      That is only focussing on his words wall. He is not proposing to focus on building the wall throughout the border. Building a wall where it can be effective. People are coming because they can easily trespass and know their application will be accepted particularly if they accompany the child. Can you imagine what goes on? People are stealing other kids and bring them while kids go through misery while they travel on foot to the border. What the sheriff says is Trump had changed his dialogue about the wall. He used to oppose it when he interviewed two years ago but no longer. Wall is just a symbolic word but people are obsessed with the word itself for political reasons. Wall will deter many people where it is effective. The sheriff stresses there should be monitoring and management after setting it up.
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    • Amazon t8g5r
      OP
      Again, so long as the "open sesame" asylum law is in the books the wall doesn't matter. Also catch and release, etc.

      Also people are coming because there are jobs for them. Making e-Verify mandatory and arresting people who employ illegals will stop them coming.
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