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Trump supporters trained in logic and science.

New hWhJ88
Dec 2

How do you deal with his total rejection of science and logic?

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  • Okta nfc
    How many genders are there again?
    Dec 220
    • Okta nfc
      The left sees a Russian bot or secret Nazi everywhere they look. Hopefully, you'll excuse me if I don't trust you to determine someone's intent.
      Dec 2
    • Microsoft 4655434b
      Not everywhere, just in places where they seem to be
      Dec 2
    • Credit Karma EllisDee25
      I’ve “misgendered” people. It goes like this:

      “oops, sorry. my mistake”

      The end.
      Dec 2
    • Oracle Kirby123
      No no, the point is that you will not get the right to demand others referring to you in a special way under threat of fine or prison. Understand that, it’s very important.
      Dec 2
    • Microsoft 4655434b
      Don’t know what that means... but i do know that ppl have learned to not refer to black ppl as n***** or ‘it’, so im sure the human race can manage to use a correct pronoun when needed...
      Dec 2
    • Credit Karma EllisDee25
      Kirby, You’re probably talking about the California law about misgendering seniors. The one that says: “Any employees who willfully or repeatedly violate SB 219 could be charged with a misdemeanor and subject to punishment of a $1000 fine, or even up to one year in jail.”

      So yeah... “willfully or repeatedly” - it’s not about an “oops, I didn’t know” situation... it’s about “I know, but choose not to respect your wishes or provide you with equal care or treatment” situation. The law isn’t even about pronouns, it’s meant to prevent old age homes from abusing LGBT people or rejecting them from care due to their sexuality.

      Again... you are scared of a straw-man, urban legends made up by people with an ideological ax to grind.

      https://www.politifact.com/california/article/2017/sep/26/claims-mislead-about-california-bill-forcing-jail-/
      Dec 2
    • Oracle Kirby123
      I ain’t scared of anything, especially not lunatics on the Left. Just as countless other silly initiatives, this too will be pushed to such an absurd level that you will be regretting it daily.

      How DeGrasse Tyson doing by the way? How many people do you estimate just had an epiphany that “this believe women crap is already getting out of hand?”
      Dec 2
    • Credit Karma EllisDee25
      You said you were scared of a law doing something that it doesn’t do. Now you say you are scared because something will “go to far” someday.

      It’s just ideological ghosts and goblins.
      Dec 2
    • Oracle Kirby123
      Oh dear, I’m trying to tell you that it’s people pushing these ideas that should be scared of a boomerang effect, but never mind. All good :)
      Dec 2
    • Microsoft 4655434b
      Kirby us just looking out for the left, thanks pal!
      Dec 2
  • Microsoft dimlefted!
    yea - im sure science says that there is a male, female, and (insert lunatic leftist scientific term here)
    Dec 232
    • Spotify KXAo87
      That's not a hypothesis. A hypothesis is something about the natural world, like "all people claiming to be transgender are lying". Is that your hypothesis? We could falsify that one
      Dec 3
    • OpenTable Meliodas
      Andy2653 can’t argue the merits so is trying to go off on measurement methodology tangent.

      His hypothesis seems to be that something doesn’t exist until we have a way to measure it.
      Dec 3
    • Spotify KXAo87
      @meliodas pretty much. My favorite so far is that differences are not real unless populations are completely separable by that one axis. Andy thinks that males and females are the same height on average since some women are taller than some men I guess. Its adorable. I love MAGA science
      Dec 3
    • OpenTable Meliodas
      Yeah, many conflate apologetics with the scientific method.
      Dec 3
    • Microsoft andy2653
      My hypothesis is called "null hypothesis" or "default position". It's the very basic fundamental step for scepticism. Until sufficient evidence/ falsifiable methodology exists to investigate a claim, I don't believe that claim just because someone claims it.

      https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Null_hypothesis

      Look up burden of proof. I am not making a claim. I am simply disbelieving your claim that scientific standard exists for transgenderism. And you have not given me any evidence or falsifiable methodology to differentiate an actual transgender person vs a person lying to be transgender.

      If a person comes to me and says he was abducted by alien, I don't believe even though he may have experienced it and could be real. Until I see objective evidence and falsifiable methodology I don't need to believe it. Or if they claim they saw an angel or some god.
      Dec 3
    • Microsoft andy2653
      By the way I am Indian, can't vote. I am neither democratic nor Republican. I just find it incredibly funny how both parties uses/rejects science to fit their propaganda.

      Not a trump fan, he literally made my life difficult with legal immigration roadblocks (Visa transfer hurdles and so on). I am probably more anti-trump than you are.
      Dec 3
    • Credit Karma EllisDee25
      Do Christians exist? What about goths?
      Dec 3
    • Microsoft andy2653
      Yes but there is no objective standard to identify one person as a Christian.

      That's why religion based screening that trump wanted to use was so laughable. He wanted to ban Muslims, how would he do that, if one enters claiming he is a Christian or any other religion. There is no test to identify who is Muslim or who is Christian.

      Goths, don't know a lot about them, sorry.
      Dec 3
    • OpenTable Meliodas
      So you hypothesis is the transgender people don’t exist, because you can’t measure them?
      Dec 4
    • Spotify KXAo87
      Andy I still think you need to learn more about what science is and how a null hypothesis works.

      As an example, say you claim that all transgender people are faking or lying, and are fundamentally their birth gender. This suggest a null hypothesis that there are no physiological differences between cis and trans people (before hrt). The earlier study actually used that exact null hypothesis and rejected it statistically with the MRI measurements.

      The best place to learn this imo is studying evolution. It's a tricky subject a lot of people have trouble with, specifically because it's not proven outright -- its defended by constantly knocking down null hypotheses that would disprove it. This is how hypothetico deductive reasoning, the fundamental mode of scientific progress, works.

      It's usually not taught to engineers, who in my experience end up less able to think critically (and instead appeal to authority or convention as "facts")
      Dec 4
  • Google TmplDoom
    We understand the science and logic of 2 party system.

    Trump supporter does not agree with him 100% of time, but thinks he will be better than Ted Cruz or Hillary.

    To the specific point of climate change, Elon musk solved it the right way. Which no govt could have.
    Dec 23
    • Spotify KXAo87
      Oh didnt realize it was solved now. Whew
      Dec 2
    • Uber p3
      What did Elon Musk solve?
      Dec 2
    • Google TmplDoom
      Just search how many car companies and how many countries have committed to go nearly electric in coming decades.
      Dec 2
  • Oracle fatalflaw
    Keep making such assumptions and keep getting surprised at the divide.
    Dec 25
    • Yes this. Stop assuming that there are any trump supporters who have a rational view of science.
      Dec 2
    • Oracle fatalflaw
      Yeah, learn how to deal with it in a democracy. Keep insulting them and they'll vote to spite you. Do you want them to turn? Try to understand them and find candidates who would take care of some of their issues.

      If you're curious, set up a blind poll asking educational background of Trump supporters.
      Dec 2
    • Or out organize and out vote them and let them go back to whining about birth certificates and immigrants instead
      Dec 2
    • Oracle fatalflaw
      You don't want to even attempt to get it? Nevermind.
      Dec 2
    • I’ve heard plenty
      Dec 2
  • Microsoft dimlefted!
    Meanwhile, you libs think having a country overrun by 3rd world Crats is a great way to increase living standards in the US. Where's the logic in that...
    Dec 23
    • Qualcomm / EngCurryGupta
      ^^^^^^^^
      demonstration of “strong” logic and reasoning from Tump supporter right here!!!
      Dec 2
    • Spotify KXAo87
      Yes clearly it's better to live in Somalia in the 90s or Chile in the 80s than it is to live in present day Sweden or Denmark or Finland.

      Socialism doesn't work and capitalism always works
      Dec 2
    • Microsoft / EngCapitalism
      ^^ thanks
      Dec 2
  • OpenTable Meliodas
    No need for hyperbole. Trump doesn’t reject all science and logic. He supports science and logic that agrees with his objectives.
    Dec 21
    • Spotify KXAo87
      Sounds pretty scientific
      Dec 2
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    chum leemore
    I think there are 2 kinds of trump supporters. Those that have as low an IQ as him and it doesn't really matter to them. And others who are ok with him rubber stamping the conservative agenda and taking all the liberal ire for himself.

    For example Mitch McAsshole is far more deterimental to everything but he can keep doing the damage behind the scenes while Trump clowns his way on the front stage. It's quite clever actually.
    Dec 20
  • Amazon / EngGHskann
    Yeah science and deferment of decision upon the faculties of an unnamed, unknown group of people we know nothing about! How wonderful. Please tell me what to believe and how to act, oh scientific overlords.

    What are we talking about a Chinese citizen in relation to the Chinese Communist Party? Or the Average American and their “scientists”? Who knows!

    Find out in our next chapter of “don’t think, just listen”.
    Dec 22
    • Salesforce underover
      It must be nice to be so simple minded as you.
      Dec 2
    • Amazon / EngGHskann
      Good one!
      Dec 2

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