Trump's Wall

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Jan 8 217 Comments

I am left leaning. But I see no problem with Trump's idea of wall. What the hell is Dems problem if he only wants to stop "illegal immigration". Am I missing something?

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  • Google / Eng ligma🐔
    It costs >5billion you moron
    Jan 8 31
    • Facebook / Other
      XKLa50

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      Btw, the Modi government in India is equally despicable, and would like to rid India of Muslims if given a chance
      Jan 10
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      Finally, to clarify my position: I support legal immigration to the US, at a reasonable pace, and with pressure to assimilate. Legal immigrants should also be picked using a points system that is based on skills, not by optimizing for overall human good (I mean, it's pretty reasonable to want a country to optimize for the welfare of its citizenry primarily).
      Jan 10
    • Skilled migration is different to humanitarian migration. If you shut down the latter, you'd only get people in the former category who are terrible enough to not care about humanitarianism.
      Jan 10
    • New / Mgmt rs39
      Only reason dems don’t want wall is because trump is pushing for it!!!
      Jan 12
  • It won't work, and it's a symbol of his xenophobia and incitement of hatred.
    Jan 8 22
    • Google / Eng
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      There are so many people going through the border illegally. The whole South America. My friend works in Macy's and she has 2 people that did it. A lot of illegal immigrants come through Mexico border.
      Jan 9
    • Also, I was reading up on it, and the claim that the Democrats supported the wall is a lie anyway.
      Jan 9
    • Oracle ypoint
      Yeah, the Secure Fence Act of 2006 was Bush's blind poll and senators Obama and Schumer and 78 others were trolling.
      Jan 9
    • That's for a fence, right? Like, the current fence, which the Democrats are even currently willing to repair. That's hardly an impregnable barrier running the whole border. What's your point?
      Jan 9
    • Oracle ypoint
      So, what exactly is the objection to the barrier? Do you think they wanted to fool people with a barrier that can be penetrated? I suppose, not. That's the point.
      Jan 9
  • eBay / Eng
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    A. Why not just resolve it like adults? Instead of taking Govt. hostages?
    B. If you say yes to his tantrum now, he wins and Dems loose.
    C. We have million other things to solve.
    D. Why not a comprehensive immigration reform, let people come in legally, even for small jobs and make sure they go back.
    E. Why the fuck H1b never go back and we do not say anything! A foreign worker should be here just temporarily, and than go the fuck back from where they came from.
    F. If we want only highly skilled and educated people, we should have comprehensive immigration reform.
    G. Only South Americans are the issue here??!!
    Jan 8 20
    • Expedia Expdian
      India won't allow Sri Lankans or anyone else to immigrate. In fact almost no country outside the West allows any meaningful amount of immigration. Some countries grant a lot of work visas and treat those workers like absolute $hit (see the middle East). But hypocrites from all these countries will come here and complain of "racism".
      Jan 8
    • eBay / Eng
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      Tons of people from Bangladesh working in India in worst working conditions possible on earth.

      And Indians are racists as hell, even against their own kind.
      Jan 8
    • Oracle doznuts
      I have not once complained about racism. India does allow people to immigrate. There is anti immigrant sentiment in India just like the US, I do not deny that. I myself don't support illegal immigration because it adversely impacts legal immigrants too besides the natives. But I don't understand why people are hating those who come to the US legally. What is your solution-Don't allow any immigrants to come to the US? Rather than hating immigrants who come legally, change your immigration laws so that your immigration policies are not abused.
      Jan 8
    • Oracle doznuts
      @max99 if you're going to make blanket statements about 1.3 billion people based on the few you've had the opportunity to meet, then I don't see any point in continuing this debate.
      Jan 8
    • Oracle ypoint
      max99 is all over the place...sounds like an adult who hates tantrums, but also sounds like a democrat, yet doesn't like immigrants, wants comprehensive immigration reform, but doesn't want legal immigrants, seems to like skilled migration but hates H1Bs who are vetted for skills, and ignores that many go back at the end of their visa terms too... 😵
      Jan 8
  • Splunk wmpz
    Why are you so defensive OP? Why do you have to say that you are left leaning?

    You lost your credibility the moment you put that.
    Jan 8 13
    • Facebook &GdvK#
      if you mean a child, it's most likely going to fall under child endangerment which you can look up, if it's an adult "kid" i'd imagine similar to if they drink and drive with your car?
      Jan 8
    • Apple / Ops ^H^H^H
      Depends on age of kid, but the legal owner of the gun should share some blame if it was improperly stored.
      Jan 8
    • @Apple, but isn't penalising people for being reckless with guns a form of gun control?
      Jan 9
    • Google memer
      What is a harsher sentence for gun crimes going to accomplish? Someone walking in guns blazing into a school is prepared to die anyway. Punishment is hardly a deterrent at that point
      Jan 9
    • Apple / Ops ^H^H^H
      Guns should have mechanisms that ask targets for consent.
      Jan 9
  • Microsoft / Eng bebK16
    Assuming the wall works, it stops more that just illegal immigration. It stops asylum seekers as well, since they need to get into the country first to ask for asylum (despite what trumpers want you to believe, that is not illegal).

    More likely, though, the wall will be ineffective, as people will just go over, under, around, or through it. And it's a gigantic waste of money that we could be spending elsewhere to shore up our crumbling infrastructure.
    Jan 8 8
    • @tucd, supporting the human right to seek asylum at the expense of some illegal immigration is analogous to ensuring that innocent people don't go to prison, even if it means some criminals go free. Are you a fan of human rights?
      Jan 8
    • Facebook &GdvK#
      why would you have to illegally cross to seek asylum? why can't they apply at an embassy or at an immigration checkpoint? if it's a legal process what's the problem with pursuing it legally?
      Jan 8
    • You don't just go wander into your local embassy when you're fleeing persecution. And how many checkpoints will there be on the border? If you have to walk an extra hundred miles to find one, you might die, and if they're scattered across the whole border and adequately staffed, then why does there need to be a wall?
      Jan 8
    • Facebook &GdvK#
      what's safer and more reasonable: take a bus to the border or cross the desert? the reality is the people crossing the desert wouldn't qualify for asylum. they're just poor and colocated. there are billions of poor people in the world and we are not going to let them all in
      Jan 8
    • Luckily, everyone from the major parties agrees on strong border protection.
      Jan 8
  • Dropbox drl/food
    Okay liberals, question for you.

    If this wall is so terrible and won't work, why are you fighting against it? Wouldn't you want this total and utter failure on Trump's watch? If it fails you've got 2020 in the bag. Why so complain?
    Jan 8 9
    • @drl/food, you need to decide "we" because you don't have to look hard to find people complaining about h1b visas.
      Jan 8
    • Microsoft tingtang
      Uber is right. If people are so pro legal immigration I should see a lot of pro H1B comments right?
      Jan 8
    • Target BalRog
      If Trump wanted to spend $5 billion to dig a hole in the ocean that would also be a spectacular failure, and A SPECTACULAR WASTE OF MY TAX DOLLARS. NO thank you.

      This is not some juvenile political football game to me. This is MY TAX DOLLARS being wasted on some useless boondoggle. I'm against it because it's BAD POLICY.
      Jan 8
    • Dropbox drl/food
      We've got issue with companies that abuse the H1 program, not the people themselves. America, and American's, first. That's not racist, or xenophobic, or anything besides American's looking out for their country folk.
      Jan 8
    • Maybe you're not xenophobic, but the President is presenting himself that way. MS-13, bad hombres, etc. is not talking about ensuring that infrastructure can keep pace with immigration. It's a bogieman to scare the fearful.
      Jan 9
  • Collective Health makeMeKing
    What you’re missing is the fact that illegal immigrants overwhelmingly vote democrat. Democrats know hat demographics is destiny so if they get enough illegals here (who then have legalized children), they will have a permanent majority forever. The only way they will lose is if republicans basically become democrats.

    If hispanics voted republican there would have been a wall long before trump.
    Jan 8 4
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      OMG dude. "Illegal " can't vote.
      Jan 8
    • eBay / Eng
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      This is also a valid point. This "fight" over wall has nothing to do with immigration. It is just the nasty politics they always plan in DC. Whatever happened to drain the swamp?!
      Jan 8
    • Collective Health fallenFor
      Tucd they’re children can vote
      Jan 10
    • Google COm451
      Their children aren't illegal immigrants.
      Jan 12
  • Target BalRog
    Walls don't stop boats. Walls don't stop airplanes. Walls don't stop tunnels. If people want to get here, they'll find a way.
    Jan 8 4
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      But you don't start doing nothing
      Jan 8
    • Target BalRog
      Then do something constructive.

      The "Great Wall" didn't save China from the Mongols. The Maginot Line didn't save France from the Germans. The "Iron Curtain" didn't keep the Eastern Bloc *IN*. And Trump's "Concrete Curtain" won't keep Mexicans out.

      Let's try something that might have a ghost of a hope of working instead.
      Jan 8
    • LinkedIn / Eng
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      Trump is too self absorbed to think through this. But my point is, a wall is not bad
      Jan 8
    • Target BalRog
      Digging a hole in the ocean is "not bad" either, but it doesn't accomplish anything and it's a MONUMENTAL waste of time and money.
      Jan 8
  • T-Mobile ilililil
    I like what you said and tend to hold the same viewpoint. Too many people fall into the generic belief of everything Trump does or tries to do is terrible because "it is Trump", instead of actually trying to discuss it like normal people.
    Jan 8 1
    • Wells Fargo / IT aggie
      True.
      Jan 8
  • Microsoft TrumpWins
    Reminder for those complaining about the cost of the wall:

    California is building a $98 billion light rail that no one wants
    Jan 8 2
    • Target BalRog
      Then fight against it. Feel free. Personally I love the little bit of light rail we have here in the Twin Cities, and would love to see it expanded. But I don't live in California, so if you don't want it there it's no skin off my back.
      Jan 8
    • Glooko / Other drditto
      The only people who don't want the light rail are the people who have to compromise their land in order to build it. That damn bullet train should have happened decades ago but Americans are too in love with our suburbs and cars and highways.
      Jan 9
  • New $0¢k
    There is too much politics in politics...

    Illegal immigration is a serious problem. But even based on the comments in this thread, most people seem to be concerned more about shitting on Trump, republicans, democrats, liberals, and arguing with each other meaninglessly.

    Some parts of the border have had actual walls for ages, so it's not something new suggested. Whether to continue building the wall might be a controversial thing, but at least it's some idea, and it would definitely help (though, hard to measure how much). If some government folks have any better ideas/plans, instead of fighting the "wall" they should suggest another solution and be able to prove that it's going to work better. I fail to see anyone doing that.
    Jan 8 7
    • Microsoft Big Pun
      How is illegal immigration a serious problem?

      By what metric? You got any data on this shit? It’s a minor issue at best.

      They’re taking shitty jobs no one wants to do and their crime rate is actually less than avg Americans.

      We got way worse problems than immigration. Trump just made it a problem by focusing on it because he’s failing at everything else he’s doing. Well he got a problem now. 🤣 He aint getting that wall and this shutdown is #trumpshutdown
      Jan 8
    • Microsoft tingtang
      Sure it was. Your premise was “illegal immigration is a serious problem” and your conclusion is that it is better to do something about it, even if it doesn’t help, than to do nothing.
      Jan 8
    • New $0¢k
      @Big Pun, @tingtang

      Your comments, guys, just prove exactly the points that I raised. It's very sad that you don't even seem to notice or understand that...
      Jan 9
    • Microsoft leet_away
      @Big Pun, how is illegal immigration *not* a serious problem? In 2017 and 2018 266k illegals with criminal records were arrested. Many people’s lives were destroyed because of some of these individuals. Can you honestly tell those people that it’s all the same and probably their life would have been eventually ruined by some legal resident anyway? If someone wants to come to this country and be a contributing member of society they can do it legally. I’m a *legal* immigrant myself.
      Jan 9
    • New $0¢k
      Yeah... +1 to what @leet_away wrote.

      Also, I actually wonder why people don't understand the meaning of the word "illegal". Which means "against the law". And that every person, who enters the US illegally, by doing that already commits a crime.

      Whether the migration law is good or not - that's a separate topic. But, as long as those laws exist, the authorities shall enforce them - just the same way as with handling murders, theft and everything else.

      Whether the wall helps or not - well, any obstacle would prevent some activities, as it gets more difficult to perform those. If there are people at those walls who monitor crossing the borders, capture or shoot people, that will prevent those activities even more. It's also unclear to me how some folks may doubt the potential efficiency. What that exact efficiency would be and how to measure it in advance is unclear, though (this is what I wrote in my original comment).

      The fun fact is that I wasn't arguing (and I actually never expressed my personal point of view with regard to the matter of "building the wall"), but just described my observations of people missing the real point and starting to argue and trying to prove some irrelevant things, and here we go - the first two people responding to my message did exactly that.
      Jan 9
  • Reduxio / Mktg
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    Hi, I sold security systems at the Mexico border at a previous job. I'm not a citizen, so I can't comment on the Trump vs Democrats. But here's a few "facts":
    1) There's less illegal immigration now than 10 years ago. In the case of illegal Mexicans, there's a reverse migration effect (Mexicans going back) that has been going on for a while.
    2) More people enter the U.S. illegally by over-staying their visas than through the border.
    3) Fully stopping people + drugs from entering through the border is nearly impossible. Cartels have highly sophisticated systems, engineers building tunnels, and infrastructure to continue moving merchandise to and from the U.S.
    (Cartels have paved highways, built cell phone networks and developed ton of infrastructure).

    So, the wall is not really a solution to stopping illegal immigration and drugs.
    Jan 8 3
    • Microsoft leet_away
      Do you have any data for #2 or are you just shooting from the hip?

      Regarding #1 it doesn’t matter that levels are lover than in the 2000s. What matters is that 50k+ have been caught trying to cross illegally in November and who knows how many made it through. That’s 0.5M-0.6M people per year. Something needs to be done. And so far physical barrier have worked very well for Hungary’s 500km+ southern border. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_border_barrier
      Jan 9
    • New $0¢k
      I believe it's not about completely stopping illegal immigration and drugs or people trafficking, but trying to reduce and minimize those things, to control those illegal activities and enforce the law.
      Jan 9
    • Amazon / Eng FakePprBoy
      Damn narcos are gonna blow the wall out in a second.
      Jan 9
  • Microsoft Big Pun
    I love when people say “I’m a democrat but...”. Then go on to say they support something that no Democrat supports.

    How desperate are these Trumptards that go around claiming to be Democrat or liberal and bs? Taking a page out of their Russian friends playbook?
    Jan 8 2
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      I never thought I could find a person as bull**** as trump in Democrats. Congratulations
      Jan 8
    • @Big Pun, there's no need to be counterproductive.

      OP has not said they're a Democrat. Even if they had, it is possible to have legitimate, rational disagreements on policy.

      Trying to "other" people who don't toe the party line perfectly is the hyper-partisanship that's gotten the country into this mess.
      Jan 8
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    D. He is POTUS not POTWW ( president of the whole world) he has to lookout for his people
    Jan 8 0
  • Glooko / Other drditto
    Immigration policy is one thing that we can have an intelligent debate about, the wall is just an absurd idea that we shouldn't waste our thought or our money on.
    Jan 8 3
    • Apple sidhgffe
      Why do you think a wall will not prevent illegal immigration?
      Jan 8
    • Microsoft jrex
      Cuz there are tunnels
      Jan 8
    • @sidhgffe, because heaps of illegal immigration is done by overstaying legal visas. And the border is thousands of miles of mixed terrain.
      Jan 8
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      Yeah, I see your point So even the Dems are politicizing a crisis.
      Jan 8
    • Microsoft / Eng Tier 1
      This.

      Democrats always wanted a wall until Trump mentioned it. But now the wall has become a symbol for Trump, so it must be opposed. They dig themselves into a hole by opposing it earlier when Trump brought it up.
      Jan 8
  • Airbnb
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    It should be built. This country’s system stopped working. China’s system is looking pretty good right now.
    Jan 8 1
    • Glooko / Other drditto
      What's China's system?
      Jan 9
    • Target BalRog
      What, OP? Got nothing to say to this?
      Jan 8
  • Uber @_@_
    I’m very very right leaning but this buffoon has made a mockery of the most serious office in the country.
    Jan 8 1
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      Abstract words mean sh**
      Jan 8
  • Amazon / Eng FakePprBoy
    This is a political standoff. There’s good and bad arguments on both sides, but nobody wants to give space due to the election coming. We should have a mediator unblock the situation.

    I propose Vladimir Putin.
    Jan 8 0