Trying to decide b/w these offers, any suggestions?

Amdocs gfghl
May 26, 2018 32 Comments

Google - TAM L5 in GTech (E ladder):
base - 185K
equity - 150K
bonus - 15%
did not try to negotiate sign-on yet since not sure will take it, mainly because it would be less technical that I want and I did not yet qualify for O ladder (need to grind Leetcode more)

VMWare - Staff Level 1
base - 225K
equity - 225K
bonus - 17%
sign-on - need to negotiate
I am trying to push this to Staff Level 2, since I bring some critical skills to the team

Instacart (not yet IPO) - they have 5 levels for SWE, I am coming in at 4
base - 186K, but can raise to 206K by trading in some equity
equity - 580K at current valuation, net stock option value, stock refresher every 2 yrs
bonus - none
sign-on - 20K

I am mainly trying to decide b/w VMWare and Instacart. I've seen Instacart does not get much love on Blind but I have researched them a lot and feel they have a fighting chance of success. The work at Instacart seems a tad more interesting but VMWare is also pretty good.

Total 13 YOE in my career.

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TOP 32 Comments
  • Microsoft Pediasure
    Instacart would be the way to go
    May 27, 2018 0
  • New me1st
    Does TAM stand for technical account manager? Isn't that a different role than software engineer?
    May 27, 2018 5
    • Amdocs gfghl
      OP
      Yes
      May 27, 2018
    • New me1st
      Were you in that role prior? How did you end up interview for it instead of eng
      May 27, 2018
    • Amdocs gfghl
      OP
      I have mba and some pre sales exp and G thought I have strong soft skills
      May 27, 2018
    • New me1st
      I doubt 225 base as an eng anywhere else besides netflix
      May 27, 2018
    • Splunk eGRt21
      Be careful about the E ladder.
      The goal of ever TAM seems to be either play with kids or become a PM in the sales org (PTM) as a way to get close to product or actually become a PM. But PTM and PM are o ladder (some PM are actually T ladder!)

      It is a sales role. East coast is pretty untechnical, sadly. Make sure you gel with the manager and maybe the sales lead. Unlike Google eng, which operates like a tenure system with increasing politicization but nominally eval by "your peers", gTech TAMs were really only evaled by manager. HR processes in Google haven't been properly adopted to gTech.

      The role exists because it took Google eng years to get stable feature parity to DoubleClick. High burnout as a result, but an org in turnaround now.
      Aug 8, 2018
  • New me1st
    225k base for eng? That is unheard of!
    May 26, 2018 0
  • Netflix Gghhjjkk
    What’s the 409a valuation of those instacart shares? That’s another data point you can use to value them. The instacart offer seems highest. Do they do refreshers? Bonuses? Which team has the most interesting work? What’s going to make you more valuable ? Good luck
    May 27, 2018 5
    • Amdocs gfghl
      OP
      Work is definitely most interesting at Instacart. The stock I have written is net value of options at current 409a valuation. Refresher every 2 yrs
      May 27, 2018
    • Netflix Gghhjjkk
      I’d be happy to buy some instacart shares at 409a as I’m sure many others would be too. You could almost consider those shares liquid. I’d go with instacart in a heartbeat. You don’t want to be working at a 20 year old company. Like Netflix. 😉😉
      May 27, 2018
    • Amdocs gfghl
      OP
      Thanks for the input, really appreciate it!
      May 27, 2018
    • AppDynamics Kgtpq
      That’s a boat load of cash. Go for it! How’d you manage half a mil in current valuation? What upside are you estimating?
      Aug 25, 2018
    • Google gPGg07
      How are those instacart shares now? What's the difference between the instacart 409a and preferred value?
      Mar 19
  • Salesforce stipforce
    is that equity is per year?
    May 26, 2018 3
    • Amdocs gfghl
      OP
      all equity over 4 yrs, pretty standard vesting
      May 26, 2018
    • SquareTrade / Eng
      Vjqw70

      SquareTrade Eng

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      SurveyMonkey
      Vjqw70more
      Equity seems low for 4 years. Refresher every year?
      May 26, 2018
    • Amdocs gfghl
      OP
      Yes there is a refresher but dont know how much
      May 26, 2018
  • Microsoft jojo-
    VMware is so lame, they have 0 interesting projects. And on top of that all the Dell bs hanging on it!
    May 26, 2018 0
  • Instacart / Eng hOPV64
    Nitpicking: we have 6 levels for SWE :)
    Aug 23, 2018 2
    • Amazon yunffdd
      Do you know how those levels map to levels at any other bigger company ?
      Aug 23, 2018
    • Instacart / Eng hOPV64
      Level 1 - 2.5 is software engineer
      Level 2.5 - 4 is senior software engineer
      Level 5 is roughly like principal at Amazon
      Level 6 is like staff at Amazon

      Our levels each have a half level, which comes with more salary and equity like a full level. We only have 2 titles currently (SWE and senior SWE). I don’t see this leveling system remaining this way for long, but that’s just a hunch.
      Aug 25, 2018
  • VMware sdQo51
    What team in VMware or which BU ?
    May 26, 2018 2
    • Amdocs gfghl
      OP
      Prefer not to say if you dont mind
      May 26, 2018
    • VMware sdQo51
      Many BU are struggling.. no good products in pipeline .. NSX seems to be doing good for now but after 1 year not so sure about that also .. I would suggest taking the company situation also into account .. if you have any friends in VMware talk to them before taking offer with VMware
      May 26, 2018
  • FedEx Viwb33
    Instacart has high turnover for a reason. Not a lot of Leadership or growth potential.
    Jun 11, 2018 1
    • Instacart / Eng hOPV64
      Not sure where this info is from, but our retention rate is much higher than the industry average. We’re very open to our employees about these numbers :)
      Aug 18, 2018
  • AppDynamics SYDR66
    VMware. Obviously
    May 27, 2018 1
    • Amdocs gfghl
      OP
      Would like to understand why its obvious
      May 27, 2018
  • Microsoft gym_rat
    VMware 😂😂😂 take a moment and think if they will even exist in 5 years
    Jun 12, 2018 0
  • VMware / Sales
    🤷🏽‍♂️🗣!

    VMware Sales

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    KPMG
    🤷🏽‍♂️🗣!more
    Lot of BUs having talent exodus and or no customer base at VMW so make sure you watch out
    May 27, 2018 0
  • Snapchat snaprotecc
    Show Google the other offers, regardless what they come with after that I'd go with the big G for resume alone
    May 27, 2018 0

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