Twilio vs Amazon

Veritas / Eng
Leetchod

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Leetchodmore
Nov 2, 2018 86 Comments

Have offers from both of them.

From work, manager, and team perspective Twilio is exciting but Amazon TC is 25% higher than Twilio and no more negotiation with Twilio. Don't know more details about work, manager, the team at Alexa yet.

Being early in the career, care more about learning opportunities.

Which one would you choose and why?

Edit:
I have other competing offers (Msft, Didi, Salesforce, OCI) which are paying much higher than Twilio but considering factors shown above in the table, Twilio and Alexa are the top 2 picks. Others are in the next columns.

Edit 2:
TC:
Amazon Seattle TC = (1.25) * Twilio Bay Area TC

Base: Same

Equity: Same amount, different vesting schedule

Signon:
Twilio (0) vs Amazon (80k 1st year and 60k 2nd) paid monthly which is standard Amazon practice

Twilio vs Amazon
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TOP 86 Comments
  • Amazon / Product
    AmAlexa

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    AmAlexamore
    20% is big. And Amazon’s brand will get you a level upgrade in 1-2 years at Twilio and many mothers firms. I would have take twilio if it was pre-IPO. Alexa has great teams all over and so that shouldn’t be a problem.
    Nov 2, 2018 7
    • Veritas / Eng
      Leetchod

      Veritas Eng

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      Leetchodmore
      OP
      How true is this? What are your opinions @amAlexa
      Nov 2, 2018
    • Amazon / Product
      AmAlexa

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      AmAlexamore
      There is shit all over Amazon. But as an SDE, you should see what you get in career. The brand equity and money is massively better that twilio. I mean even if the money or brand equity was comparable we wouldn’t be talking - especially in Bay Area. That said, Alexa has 4x more adoption that its nearest competitor - the org must be doing something right. There are 5x more Echo launches compared to google and 20x more partners who have integrated Alexa in their devices. And many like Bose put Google and dropped it next year and got Alexa in it. 20k smart home integrations and list goes on. This cannot be achieved without massive pace and some inefficiency. Yes Amazon’s culture is shit compared to many Bay Area companies. But I consider this as military duty for 2-3 years after which you have upgraded itself professionally and have much better career success in store. It’s short term vs long term.
      Nov 3, 2018
    • Veritas / Eng
      Leetchod

      Veritas Eng

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      Leetchodmore
      OP
      I agree with you. These are very good points. Thanks for presenting these details.
      Nov 3, 2018
    • Google / Eng JNJ
      Lol. Typical SDM talk. This is what I have been hearing in amazon. SDMs in Amazon make it sound like only amazon is doing good work in the world. You won’t get any learning if you join any other company.

      OP. My suggestion would to be to find more info on your team and ignore this managerial bs. All these product launches etc doesn’t matter if you get a bad manager.
      Nov 3, 2018
    • Veritas / Eng
      Leetchod

      Veritas Eng

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      Leetchodmore
      OP
      @JNJ, yes I've scheduled a call to learn more about the team. Will decide after that.
      Nov 3, 2018
  • Facebook / Eng gywtb
    amazon is already not that great and alexa sounds even worse

    at twilio, you like the team, manager, and work. sounds like an easy choice

    I don’t think 20% matters THAT much early in your career when you should be optimizing for learning
    Nov 3, 2018 12
    • Google / Eng JNJ
      OP. Its not as easy as it sounds. If you leave team within 6 months, it looks really bad on manager resume to he/she will try to convince or block you from changing teams.

      If you get a nice manager then would convince otherwise may block you by putting you on PIP.
      Nov 3, 2018
    • Amazon Rod11
      Why is alexa even worse? I work in alexa and its the most exciting work i ever did
      Nov 3, 2018
    • Veritas / Eng
      Leetchod

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      Leetchodmore
      OP
      @Rod do you mind sharing the org or will that too much info? If not Herr, are you comfortable sharing in pm? I can pm you.
      Nov 3, 2018
    • Amazon Rod11
      Veritas, unfortunately that will be too much info, how about u tell me what org in alexa u have offer from and ill let u know if i know anything about it?. Also let me tell you this, go with amazon. Its worth the brand name. I was also hesitant in taking Amazon job coz of all the negativity around it. Its true there is a high turn over and still a day 1 culture so expect for lots of responsibility to ramp up pretty quickly, but that also means a lot of opportunities for progression, if u can stick it out and make it. Amazon has oncall so also u should be prepared to be paged at night. I got paged last noght at 3 am. But i will take my current job over any past job i have had without even thinking. I love amazon and plan to progress to PE someday.
      Nov 3, 2018
    • Veritas / Eng
      Leetchod

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      Leetchodmore
      OP
      That's good to know. I will pm you.
      Nov 3, 2018
  • Google / Eng JNJ
    Twilio. Alexa is a bad org to go to. There are hiring every second person on this planet as engineer. Lot of policies, tech debt, and bad software engineering overall. Came from there, please don’t go.
    Nov 2, 2018 7
    • Google / Eng JNJ
      There are some good teams. But difficult to find from outside.
      Nov 3, 2018
    • Amazon Rod11
      I work at amazon alexa and this is totally not true. Yes we are hiring and interviewing everyone in the planet who passes our phone screening but we give offers to very very few. Also this is true for any org within amazon. Attrition is high. This is amazonian culture.
      Nov 3, 2018
    • Netflix / Eng
      MoneyHeist

      Netflix Eng

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      MoneyHeistmore
      "Attrition is high. This is amazonian culture."

      This sends all sorts of red flags. Seriously.
      Nov 3, 2018
    • Amazon Rod11
      Its day 1 startup culture. People leave and new people join. New teams starting all the time. New businesses being developed. Lots of sdes move around as a result.
      Nov 3, 2018
    • Netflix / Eng
      MoneyHeist

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      MoneyHeistmore
      Oh, I thought you meant people leaving Amazon, not a specific team.
      Nov 4, 2018
  • Google zFsy57
    Normally I would always recommend starting with FANGG to get it on your resume and normally always take 25% salary bump. But man... Twillio is awesome. People there are great and the company is great
    Nov 3, 2018 8
    • Cisco Ummmmmmmm
      Yes
      Nov 3, 2018
    • Google / Eng JNJ
      OP. For compensation try also looking at different perks like 401k match, health insurance etc. amazon has really bad 401k match.

      Moreover, understand Amazon’s target compensation strategy. At the end of first year you won’t get any raise or bonus. So your compensation will remain same for next 2-3 years.
      Nov 3, 2018
    • Google zFsy57
      Lol I meant FAANG
      Nov 3, 2018
    • Veritas / Eng
      Leetchod

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      Leetchodmore
      OP
      @JNJ espp is the only component of compensation where Twilio wins rest all look same and Amazon wins.

      E.g. If I start at $125 at Amazon, TC remains constant for 3 years, I will earn $125 * 3 = $375 in 3 years.

      At Twilio if I get 100, 110, 125 respectively, I will earn $335 in 3 years.
      Nov 3, 2018
    • Apple / Eng nEwGr4d
      Plus ESPP which is guaranteed money, also free food and no BS vesting schedule like Amazon’s
      Nov 3, 2018
  • Veritas / Eng
    Leetchod

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    Leetchodmore
    OP
    Thank you everyone for all the suggestions. I've decided to join Twilio 🙂.
    Wish me luck.
    Dec 2, 2018 2
    • Microsoft / Eng
      Baezoss

      Microsoft Eng

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      Amazon
      Baezossmore
      change your username
      Dec 2, 2018
    • Veritas / Eng
      Leetchod

      Veritas Eng

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      Leetchodmore
      OP
      Sure, Mrs. Baezoss 😜
      Dec 3, 2018
  • Amazon Rod11
    Wtf is twilio
    Nov 3, 2018 1
    • Twilio yVPz86
      Good. We love to be underdogs
      Nov 7, 2018
  • Amazon Gjdyveycc4
    Twlllo anytime. With Amzn u are stuck with that comp for rest of ur life. Twillo has tons of growth and u will be getting refreshers and promotions.
    Nov 2, 2018 9
    • Veritas / Eng
      Leetchod

      Veritas Eng

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      Leetchodmore
      OP
      Is there any certain % growth of the stock price above which you are not considered for refresher?

      I've read this on Blind, not so sure. If the stock doesn't grow above 15% since you joined, then you'll be considered for RSU refresher otherwise no.
      Nov 3, 2018
    • Amazon / Eng
      onMyWay

      Amazon Eng

      BIO
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      onMyWaymore
      Generally, you’ll have a target comp that you’re paid yearly. If the stock growth doesn’t hit that target, they give you stock to hit that point. If it meets or exceeds, you don’t get any new stock
      Nov 3, 2018
    • Veritas / Eng
      Leetchod

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      Leetchodmore
      OP
      Is that target comp fixed for initial 4 years or is revised each year based on the performance?
      Nov 3, 2018
    • Amazon Gjdyveycc4
      It’s constant for 4 years and for life unless you are promoted.
      Nov 4, 2018
    • Veritas / Eng
      Leetchod

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      Leetchodmore
      OP
      Got it, thanks!
      Nov 4, 2018
  • Google zFsy57
    FYI the free food at Twillio is pretty bad
    Nov 3, 2018 4
    • Veritas / Eng
      Leetchod

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      Leetchodmore
      OP
      Good to know. Which office did you visit bdw?
      Nov 3, 2018
    • Twilio Lvmv42
      Not true anymore. Switched food vendors a couple months ago and the new food is pretty good actually.
      Nov 3, 2018
    • Veritas / Eng
      Leetchod

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      Leetchodmore
      OP
      Which office @Lvmv42?
      Nov 3, 2018
    • Google zFsy57
      I was speaking of the SF office
      Nov 3, 2018
  • Wish / Eng
    kagamoto

    Wish Eng

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    kagamotomore
    In terms of equity, TWLO will outperform AMZN as the rate of growth decreases for AMZN and stays constant or increases for TWLO. TWLO’s Flex will be a killer growth multiplier. AMZN cannot grow any faster. You might as well see what happens on Nov 6th before you make up your mind. Hope you have the number of shares locked in.
    Nov 4, 2018 3
    • Veritas / Eng
      Leetchod

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      Leetchodmore
      OP
      Number of shares are not locked in unfortunately. Depends on the running average of the last 30 days.
      Nov 4, 2018
    • Wish / Eng
      kagamoto

      Wish Eng

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      Amazon, Facebook, Google
      kagamotomore
      68% YoY wowzers
      Nov 6, 2018
    • Veritas / Eng
      Leetchod

      Veritas Eng

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      Leetchodmore
      OP
      Yes that was huge
      Nov 6, 2018
  • Amazon Arrow
    What's your comp at Twilio and Amazon? Yoe? Level offered at both companies? (I work for AWS and my brother works for Twilio)
    Nov 3, 2018 3
    • Veritas / Eng
      Leetchod

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      Leetchodmore
      OP
      Wow this is a very good scenario. Can I pm you? Bdw, I've updated TC details.
      Nov 3, 2018
    • Amazon Arrow
      Yeah you can PM me
      Nov 3, 2018
    • Veritas / Eng
      Leetchod

      Veritas Eng

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      Leetchodmore
      OP
      Thnx.
      Nov 3, 2018
  • Microsoft / Eng
    Baezoss

    Microsoft Eng

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    Amazon
    Baezossmore
    How jobless are you OP. Get a life.
    Nov 3, 2018 2
    • Veritas / Eng
      Leetchod

      Veritas Eng

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      Leetchodmore
      OP
      Sure. Any suggestions?
      And why do you think so?
      Nov 3, 2018
    • Netflix / Eng
      MoneyHeist

      Netflix Eng

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      Apple
      MoneyHeistmore
      @baezoss be helpful or be silent
      Nov 3, 2018
  • Twilio GJLl61
    What’s ur compensation at Twilio. Twilio equity might be very valuable in the next few years and Twilio does not keep ur salary flat because stock has grown. Evaluate the Twilio stock growth for next few years and make a decision. Twilio as a company is very good and really nice culture and people. Understanding the break up in compensation between base and equity will help folks here offer better suggestion
    Nov 3, 2018 2
    • Veritas / Eng
      Leetchod

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      Leetchodmore
      OP
      Updated the post. If we compare both the stocks, both have grown significantly. Both the companies are doing really great in what they do, they are way ahead of the competitors and growing fast.

      Plus both of them are very close to all time high. Given that both are offering same amount if equity, will it be wise to consider stock growth, which is very unpredictable in making the decision?
      Nov 3, 2018
    • Veritas / Eng
      Leetchod

      Veritas Eng

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      Leetchodmore
      OP
      I totally agree with you on culture and people part.
      Nov 3, 2018
  • Facebook / Eng gywtb
    is Twilio not willing to negotiate anymore? you should tell them that you find the team very compelling and the only sticking point is Amazon is offering substantially more and your [wife/husband/SO/family] thinks that’s important (always have a 3rd party to fall back on), so if they can come close you’d be ready to sign right away
    Nov 3, 2018 1
    • Veritas / Eng
      Leetchod

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      Leetchodmore
      OP
      Exactly this. Tried all the possible reasons and also told about other offers. They said this is final. They said decide quickly as they've other candidates in pipeline, plus my interview was not at par. Maybe that's the reason they're not budging.
      Nov 3, 2018
  • Cisco Ummmmmmmm
    Alexa
    Nov 2, 2018 3
    • Veritas / Eng
      Leetchod

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      Leetchodmore
      OP
      Can you please share more info? Thnx.
      Nov 3, 2018
    • Cisco Ummmmmmmm
      Basically agree with AmAlexa. Go to amazon and you will be valued much more later. Brand matters. Plus you will learn at amazon.
      Nov 3, 2018
    • Veritas / Eng
      Leetchod

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      Leetchodmore
      OP
      Yes, agree!
      Nov 3, 2018
  • Amazon / Eng your dad
    I'd suggest Amazon in general. I think you can tell the recruiter that you like Amazon but after doing some soul searching and learning more about it during the interview that you're not sure you'll enjoy Alexa. Tell the recruiter you want to accept an Amazon offer but would prefer AWS or Retail. The sourcer who found you will still get the credit for the hire if you accept even if it's not Alexa.
    Nov 3, 2018 2
    • Amazon Rod11
      Whats wrong with alexa? I work at alexa and extremely happy
      Nov 3, 2018
    • Veritas / Eng
      Leetchod

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      Leetchodmore
      OP
      @dad I checked the recruiter team. He belongs to Alexa and he had mentioned I've been hired for my manager's team specifically. Not sure if I will have option to change the team or not. Didn't want that conversation to affect my offer numbers.
      Nov 3, 2018
  • Google zFsy57
    Woot! Good luck! You'll have tons of fun.

    I know so many people there and they're all awesome
    Dec 2, 2018 1
    • Veritas / Eng
      Leetchod

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      Leetchodmore
      OP
      Thnx 🙂
      Dec 3, 2018
  • Microsoft / Product :🐧
    Free food though...
    Nov 2, 2018 0
  • VMware iceiceice
    you did not count Twilio espp and bonus, amz does not have bonus
    Nov 6, 2018 1
    • Veritas / Eng
      Leetchod

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      Leetchodmore
      OP
      espp I agree. Twilio doesnt have bonuses, which one are you talking about?
      Nov 6, 2018