Twitch or Cruise

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May 25, 2018 52 Comments

I am working at Amazon Seattle since last 3 years. Want to move to SF/Bay area to be closer to my GF working at FB, MPK..

I don't want to continue working for Amazon teams, so, I spoke to a manager at Twitch, just to have one offer in hand to speed up my move... Received an offer from them. No change in TC though.

I m interviewing with Cruise automation as well. Cleared phone interview.. Not sure it's worth while going through thier on-site..

What do you guys think about Cruise vs Twitch??

Both are in SF and I am looking to work/stay in SF.. my GF also likes to stay in SF.. she is willing to take FB shuttle to travel.. I don't want to join FB so not trying there.. we both think it's not a good idea to work in same company..

Just to give you guys a perspective, I rejected Salesforce offer for Lead MTS as I think their tech stack is too old.. (that's what I think, not trying to offend anyone)... During interviews I realized that they were trying to solve problems which were already resolved in the industry.. also their TC was bit lower.. after all negotiations they offered TC of $270k...

Note: For few curious mind, my current TC is $290+k with all stock price appreciation... Work experience: 5 years.
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  • Intel
    IntelAlum

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    IntelAlummore
    Cruise, twitch isnt doing much these days and arent they having issues of their own with layoffs and losing money constantly for amazon?
    May 25, 2018 11
    • Cruise Automation / Eng ✉️
      Don't trust any timelines for PSUs
      May 25, 2018
    • New / Eng
      Luffy, M.D

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      Luffy, M.Dmore
      Yeah, I wouldn't have bet on the perfect 4 year cycle for the PSU. But they sure offered a lot of them...
      May 25, 2018
    • New / Eng
      Luffy, M.D

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      Luffy, M.Dmore
      My interviews with Cruise weren't too hard. Lot of pretty deep design discussions of my prior projects (in fairness a prior employer was also in the automotive related space, albeit nothing like AV}, one leetcode medium, one clean sheet design discussion, don't remenber what else.

      Yeah, Google/FB are a pain. I don't recall Twitter being anywhere near as hard an interview although that was SRE track and ended up not joining them.
      May 25, 2018
    • Amazon UUaT37cd
      OP
      @Cruise folks, did any of your PSUs vest since the time you joined?? Recruiter said PSUs have increment vesting based on many milestones..
      May 25, 2018
    • Cruise Automation / Eng ✉️
      They vested earlier this year. They have definitely vested before
      May 25, 2018
  • Twitch / Mktg
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    Twitch Mktg

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    You done fucked up rejecting Salesforce, most people to leave Twitch go there for 1.5 times the pay and zero times the headaches.
    May 25, 2018 9
    • Twitch / Mktg
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      Twitch Mktg

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      You get to keep your stock, but it's back loaded, and you get a really shitty refresher, if at all (majority do not get a refresh of stock.)

      If you are a transfer from Amazon, employees know that you were probably abused, so you'll get treated well, OP.
      May 25, 2018
    • Twitch / Mktg
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      Twitch Mktg

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      TC means little at Twitch, when you get reorg'd in a weird team and your spirits are low.
      May 25, 2018
    • Twitch
      xmaHGGhs

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      xmaHGGhsmore
      No. Transfer does not adjust your vesting... What are you talking about? Comp structure is same as Amazon but we get lots of soft benefits like free food massage etc.
      May 25, 2018
    • Twitch gachiBASS
      there’s a major re org every few months as well MKTG. i’ve been through 3 in 2 years
      Jun 24, 2018
    • Disney / Other
      Nipha

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      Niphamore
      Are all these reorganization moving things in a good direction?
      Feb 27
  • New / Eng
    Luffy, M.D

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    Luffy, M.Dmore
    Would you rather change the future of transportation, or help people too lazy to play video games themselves watch showoffs play video games?

    I got a negative vibe when I interviewed at Twitch phone + online tech challenge (didn't come on site.) That said, the volume of livestreaming they do IS pretty cool from a tech challenge sense.

    Really liked Cruise. Got an offer, nearly took it. TC would have been slightly higher than where I eventually joined. Tech stack was a little disjointed but loved the problems they were trying to solve. Seemed like a fast place pace, but everyone there said WLB was decent.
    May 25, 2018 8
    • New / Eng
      Luffy, M.D

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      Luffy, M.Dmore
      @L3 not saying publicly on this alias, going to change aliases when I start. Will DM you.
      May 25, 2018
    • Amazon / Eng
      Hooliganss

      Amazon Eng

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      Hooliganssmore
      “Would you rather change the future of transportation, or help people too lazy to play video games themselves watch showoffs play video games?”

      Like everything on TV today. Sports, movies, tv shows, etc. I suspect you seriously limit the places you’re willing to work if you don’t want to work on something people use for entertainment.
      May 25, 2018
    • New / Eng
      Luffy, M.D

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      Luffy, M.Dmore
      I've got nothing against entertainment services/media, although video game streaming is a form of entertainment I genuinely don't get. Nothing wrong with it, it makes money, and some people clearly enjoy it enough to pay for subscriptions.

      That said, while Cruise being the winner (or at least a surviving major player) a few years from now is a bet and not a guarantee, I really think autonomous vehicles have a real shot at social impact beyond tech in a few years. There aren't many tech jobs where you can say that.

      Now, mind, I'm not joining Cruise having taken an offer where I'm pretty sure I'll be personally more impactful within that company than I would be at Cruise, and where it's possible I'll be doing no more social good than at Twitch, and probably make fewer people happy. Nothing wrong with that... but it was something that bore some thought.
      May 25, 2018
    • Tinder / Eng
      meowimacat

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      meowimacatmore
      Can I DM you about the cruise interview?
      May 26, 2018
    • New / Eng
      Luffy, M.D

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      Luffy, M.Dmore
      Yeah, absolutely. Don't know that my particular experience is representative but glad to discuss it.
      May 26, 2018
  • Twitch 🌲50TC
    Had the same option and went with Twitch. 0 regrets
    May 25, 2018 0
  • Twitch 3YmbE8qZ5P
    Cruise. No doubts.. it's difficult to get promo or salary hikes or good RSU refreshers at Twitch.... I received 0% base pay increase and 0 RSUs refresher back in April review cycle with exceeds expectation rating..... No additional RSU refresher was expected due to Amazon policy.... but 0% base pay increase?? Seriously Twitch?? I am not even worth a percentage more than last year...

    I am looking outside as well.. Cruise is in my targeted companies list..
    May 27, 2018 1
    • Cruise Automation Iamamar
      Oh... RSU refreshers aren’t really a thing at Cruise.
      May 31, 2018
  • Twitch JingYan
    Cruise
    May 25, 2018 1
    • Twitch / Mktg
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      Twitch Mktg

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      Sup, Matt.
      May 25, 2018
  • Twitch LOG32
    Oh, god, you need to watch out for cruise. Cruise has an insane head of engineering from Uber that exemplified all the bad qualities of it.

    I believe he was even one of the people who was in the news and got fired from Uber because of it... And then cruise came along and put him in charge of their whole engineering department!
    Jun 14, 2018 2
    • Twitch / Ops
      BrianEno

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      BrianEnomore
      There, there
      Jun 14, 2018
    • Cruise Automation / Eng pr8717
      That guy is no longer with us.
      Jun 14, 2018
  • Twitch / Eng getitnow
    Cruise. If the Twitch org is Creator Experience or Commerce, then there’s a small chance you might enjoy your team and work. Otherwise 70% chance you’ll join a dumpster fire
    May 25, 2018 2
    • Twitch pepelefrog
      I’d say the live video teams seem generally happy. Maybe a few more other pockets.
      May 26, 2018
    • Twitch J Z
      Meh. There are enough teams that are pretty good. Most complaints are about comp, not work.
      May 28, 2018
  • New / Eng
    aUToronto

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    aUTorontomore
    You must really love Kyle Vogt I see
    May 22 0
  • Twitch ironman1
    Cruise, so much reorg and politics at Twitch now days, used to be a great place to work
    Jun 7, 2018 0
  • Twitch kappa10
    Wow. Amazon isn’t even offering a cost of living increase?! New low

    Your life will be 15-30% more expensive here, at a minimum.
    May 29, 2018 0
  • Amazon / Eng
    Hooliganss

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    Hooliganssmore
    Do you play games? Twitch
    Do you have an interest in transportation? Cruise

    Pretty simple
    May 25, 2018 0
  • Twitch J Z
    Twitch is not a bad option at all. There are some really challenging and interesting work. Not all teams are the same. That’d be the case even if you go to Google/FB. In fact, google has a lot more boring/crappy teams with proven employees take up most interesting problems. Twitch on the other hand still has a lot of opportunities. I can’t conmment about Cruise.

    Most people complain about Twitch is usually the Amazon comp structure. But if you’ve amazon stock and don’t mind the structure, you’ll have interesting problems for sure.
    May 25, 2018 0
  • Salesforce WillCode4$
    Why not go to twitch and get your last 40% stock? Once you are in sf a lot more options will open up to you
    May 25, 2018 0
  • Twitch hahha
    Pick Twitch. No change in TC, no change in company (Amazon). Move to SF, see if you enjoy Twitch. If not, spend few months preparing for Google/Fb and switch. Cruise is garbage. Interviewed and decided to stay at Twitch. If you pick the right team, twitch tech can be very interesting and better than many at Google.
    May 23 2
    • New / Eng
      BOUND

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      BOUNDmore
      May I know why you think such way about Cruise? I always thought Cruise is top notch
      May 23
    • Twitch hahha
      I didn’t get that feeling when I interviewed. They’re behind Waymo, Tesla and possibly aurora. GM acquired and now doesn’t want to fund the tech. Got Honda and SoftBank on to fund. It’s about finding edge cases now, and that’s just crunching miles and scenarios.
      May 23
  • Cruise Automation Pagespop
    Nov 11, 2018 0