Twitch or Cruise

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May 25, 2018 48 Comments

I am working at Amazon Seattle since last 3 years. Want to move to SF/Bay area to be closer to my GF working at FB, MPK..

I don't want to continue working for Amazon teams, so, I spoke to a manager at Twitch, just to have one offer in hand to speed up my move... Received an offer from them. No change in TC though.

I m interviewing with Cruise automation as well. Cleared phone interview.. Not sure it's worth while going through thier on-site..

What do you guys think about Cruise vs Twitch??

Both are in SF and I am looking to work/stay in SF.. my GF also likes to stay in SF.. she is willing to take FB shuttle to travel.. I don't want to join FB so not trying there.. we both think it's not a good idea to work in same company..

Just to give you guys a perspective, I rejected Salesforce offer for Lead MTS as I think their tech stack is too old.. (that's what I think, not trying to offend anyone)... During interviews I realized that they were trying to solve problems which were already resolved in the industry.. also their TC was bit lower.. after all negotiations they offered TC of $270k...

Note: For few curious mind, my current TC is $290+k with all stock price appreciation... Work experience: 5 years.
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  • Intel
    IntelAlum

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    Cruise, twitch isnt doing much these days and arent they having issues of their own with layoffs and losing money constantly for amazon?
    May 25, 201811
    • New / Eng
      Luffy, M.D

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      Luffy, M.Dmore
      Cruise is a long term bet inside GM.

      If TC is a concern, have you considered Google? Or Twitter?
      May 25, 2018
    • Intel
      IntelAlum

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      But to me, cruise’s tech is much more appealing than twitch. Much more room for growth. And you cant really compare the profit margin of cruise, since theyre working in AV. Theyre not actively doing any sales right now, just building the tech.
      May 25, 2018
    • New / Eng
      Luffy, M.D

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      Luffy, M.Dmore
      Look at the time horizon of the PSUs. There's no expectation of profitability in the next year or two, but 3-4 out...
      May 25, 2018
    • Amazon UUaT37cd
      OP
      @Intel: agree..

      @Luffy, cracking google/twitter requires few months of studies.. as of now I am trying to find easy way out.. it was easy for me to crack Twitch's interview without any preparations.. I am positive about Cruise as well based on what I have heard about thier interviews...
      May 25, 2018
    • Amazon UUaT37cd
      OP
      In my conversation with Cruise Recruiter, she mentioned PSUs will vest before 4 years.. 4 years target for PSUs vesting is too conservative.. still I will ask for higher TC considering there is a risk...
      May 25, 2018
    • Cruise Automation / Eng✉️
      Don't trust any timelines for PSUs
      May 25, 2018
    • New / Eng
      Luffy, M.D

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      Luffy, M.Dmore
      Yeah, I wouldn't have bet on the perfect 4 year cycle for the PSU. But they sure offered a lot of them...
      May 25, 2018
    • New / Eng
      Luffy, M.D

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      Luffy, M.Dmore
      My interviews with Cruise weren't too hard. Lot of pretty deep design discussions of my prior projects (in fairness a prior employer was also in the automotive related space, albeit nothing like AV}, one leetcode medium, one clean sheet design discussion, don't remenber what else.

      Yeah, Google/FB are a pain. I don't recall Twitter being anywhere near as hard an interview although that was SRE track and ended up not joining them.
      May 25, 2018
    • Amazon UUaT37cd
      OP
      @Cruise folks, did any of your PSUs vest since the time you joined?? Recruiter said PSUs have increment vesting based on many milestones..
      May 25, 2018
    • Cruise Automation / Eng✉️
      They vested earlier this year. They have definitely vested before
      May 25, 2018
  • Twitch / Mktg
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    You done fucked up rejecting Salesforce, most people to leave Twitch go there for 1.5 times the pay and zero times the headaches.
    May 25, 20189
    • Amazon UUaT37cd
      OP
      My TC is much higher considering Amzn stock appreciation... I still have lots of old stocks which will vest in a year..
      May 25, 2018
    • New / Eng
      Luffy, M.D

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      Luffy, M.Dmore
      Is Twitch considered a transfer where you keep your stock?
      May 25, 2018
    • Amazon UUaT37cd
      OP
      That's just an internal transfer.. I worked with few Twitch's team while working at Amazon.. don't want to share more details to not to disclose my identity to few..
      May 25, 2018
    • New / Eng
      Luffy, M.D

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      Luffy, M.Dmore
      If it counts as a transfer and your current equity is good, might be a good reason to move.
      May 25, 2018
    • Twitch / Mktg
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      You get to keep your stock, but it's back loaded, and you get a really shitty refresher, if at all (majority do not get a refresh of stock.)

      If you are a transfer from Amazon, employees know that you were probably abused, so you'll get treated well, OP.
      May 25, 2018
    • Twitch / Mktg
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      TwitchMktg

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      TC means little at Twitch, when you get reorg'd in a weird team and your spirits are low.
      May 25, 2018
    • Twitch
      xmaHGGhs

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      xmaHGGhsmore
      No. Transfer does not adjust your vesting... What are you talking about? Comp structure is same as Amazon but we get lots of soft benefits like free food massage etc.
      May 25, 2018
    • Twitch gachiBASS
      there’s a major re org every few months as well MKTG. i’ve been through 3 in 2 years
      Jun 24, 2018
    • Disney / Other
      Nipha

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      Are all these reorganization moving things in a good direction?
      Feb 27
  • New / Eng
    Luffy, M.D

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    Luffy, M.Dmore
    Would you rather change the future of transportation, or help people too lazy to play video games themselves watch showoffs play video games?

    I got a negative vibe when I interviewed at Twitch phone + online tech challenge (didn't come on site.) That said, the volume of livestreaming they do IS pretty cool from a tech challenge sense.

    Really liked Cruise. Got an offer, nearly took it. TC would have been slightly higher than where I eventually joined. Tech stack was a little disjointed but loved the problems they were trying to solve. Seemed like a fast place pace, but everyone there said WLB was decent.
    May 25, 20188
    • New / Eng
      Luffy, M.D

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      Luffy, M.Dmore
      Also if you're at Amazon already couldn't you just transfer to a Bay Area team and keep your current options?
      May 25, 2018
    • Google L3🤖
      Where are you at now if you don’t mind sharing? I’m also considering Cruise.
      May 25, 2018
    • Amazon UUaT37cd
      OP
      @Luffy, I want to move out of Amazon teams.. 3 years is more than what I initially thought.

      May 25, 2018
    • New / Eng
      Luffy, M.D

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      Luffy, M.Dmore
      @L3 not saying publicly on this alias, going to change aliases when I start. Will DM you.
      May 25, 2018
    • Amazon / Eng
      Hooliganss

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      “Would you rather change the future of transportation, or help people too lazy to play video games themselves watch showoffs play video games?”

      Like everything on TV today. Sports, movies, tv shows, etc. I suspect you seriously limit the places you’re willing to work if you don’t want to work on something people use for entertainment.
      May 25, 2018
    • New / Eng
      Luffy, M.D

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      Luffy, M.Dmore
      I've got nothing against entertainment services/media, although video game streaming is a form of entertainment I genuinely don't get. Nothing wrong with it, it makes money, and some people clearly enjoy it enough to pay for subscriptions.

      That said, while Cruise being the winner (or at least a surviving major player) a few years from now is a bet and not a guarantee, I really think autonomous vehicles have a real shot at social impact beyond tech in a few years. There aren't many tech jobs where you can say that.

      Now, mind, I'm not joining Cruise having taken an offer where I'm pretty sure I'll be personally more impactful within that company than I would be at Cruise, and where it's possible I'll be doing no more social good than at Twitch, and probably make fewer people happy. Nothing wrong with that... but it was something that bore some thought.
      May 25, 2018
    • Tinder / Eng
      meowimacat

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      Can I DM you about the cruise interview?
      May 26, 2018
    • New / Eng
      Luffy, M.D

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      Luffy, M.Dmore
      Yeah, absolutely. Don't know that my particular experience is representative but glad to discuss it.
      May 26, 2018
  • Twitch 🌲50TC
    Had the same option and went with Twitch. 0 regrets
    May 25, 20180
  • Twitch 3YmbE8qZ5P
    Cruise. No doubts.. it's difficult to get promo or salary hikes or good RSU refreshers at Twitch.... I received 0% base pay increase and 0 RSUs refresher back in April review cycle with exceeds expectation rating..... No additional RSU refresher was expected due to Amazon policy.... but 0% base pay increase?? Seriously Twitch?? I am not even worth a percentage more than last year...

    I am looking outside as well.. Cruise is in my targeted companies list..
    May 27, 20181
    • Cruise Automation Iamamar
      Oh... RSU refreshers aren’t really a thing at Cruise.
      May 31, 2018
  • Twitch JingYan
    Cruise
    May 25, 20181
    • Twitch / Mktg
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      TwitchMktg

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      Sup, Matt.
      May 25, 2018
  • Twitch LOG32
    Oh, god, you need to watch out for cruise. Cruise has an insane head of engineering from Uber that exemplified all the bad qualities of it.

    I believe he was even one of the people who was in the news and got fired from Uber because of it... And then cruise came along and put him in charge of their whole engineering department!
    Jun 14, 20182
    • Twitch / Ops
      BrianEno

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      There, there
      Jun 14, 2018
    • Cruise Automation / Engpr8717
      That guy is no longer with us.
      Jun 14, 2018
  • Twitch / Enggetitnow
    Cruise. If the Twitch org is Creator Experience or Commerce, then there’s a small chance you might enjoy your team and work. Otherwise 70% chance you’ll join a dumpster fire
    May 25, 20182
    • Twitch pepelefrog
      I’d say the live video teams seem generally happy. Maybe a few more other pockets.
      May 26, 2018
    • Twitch J Z
      Meh. There are enough teams that are pretty good. Most complaints are about comp, not work.
      May 28, 2018
  • Twitch ironman1
    Cruise, so much reorg and politics at Twitch now days, used to be a great place to work
    Jun 7, 20180
  • Twitch kappa10
    Wow. Amazon isn’t even offering a cost of living increase?! New low

    Your life will be 15-30% more expensive here, at a minimum.
    May 29, 20180
  • Amazon / Eng
    Hooliganss

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    Hooliganssmore
    Do you play games? Twitch
    Do you have an interest in transportation? Cruise

    Pretty simple
    May 25, 20180
  • Twitch J Z
    Twitch is not a bad option at all. There are some really challenging and interesting work. Not all teams are the same. That’d be the case even if you go to Google/FB. In fact, google has a lot more boring/crappy teams with proven employees take up most interesting problems. Twitch on the other hand still has a lot of opportunities. I can’t conmment about Cruise.

    Most people complain about Twitch is usually the Amazon comp structure. But if you’ve amazon stock and don’t mind the structure, you’ll have interesting problems for sure.
    May 25, 20180
  • Salesforce WillCode4$
    Why not go to twitch and get your last 40% stock? Once you are in sf a lot more options will open up to you
    May 25, 20180
  • Cruise Automation Pagespop
    Nov 11, 20180

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