Twitter vs Google for WLB and career?

Facebook cowgirls
Apr 27 68 Comments

I have offers from Google and Twitter with similar TC (around 420k).

Both gave me senior SWE level (For Google it’s L5 to be precise.)

I heard that both have good WLB.

Google:
+ Great brand name
+ Future is stable
- promotions are much harder
- hard to get interesting project/scope
- heard more politics these days

Twitter
= Brand name is alright
- Future is uncertain (though should be okay for next few years)
+ Promotions much faster than Google
+ Smaller company so more room for impact
+ Got a brand new impactful team where I will be the second engineer, hence can grow quicker

I haven’t decided the Google team yet.

Which one should I go for ? Mind posting the reason as well

Both are in Seattle btw. Google in Kirkland and Twitter in Seattle downtown.

TC: 370k, E5@FB, 5 yoe

Leaving due to bad wlb and not learning much

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TOP 68 Comments
  • Amazon day1
    STOP bluffing around with TC numbers. Your TC number 420 says it all
    Apr 27 10
    • Amazon day1
      Wish you good luck. You need that for sure
      Apr 27
    • Facebook cowgirls
      OP
      Not sure if “good luck “ was sarcastic, but 370k@FB isn’t normal I was lucky to get good ratings and DE.

      Similarly, 420k for L5 isn’t the default offer. I had a few other good offers so that’s the number I got after multiple rounds of negotiation. Hope that clarifies.
      Apr 27
    • Facebook gd5wv9
      I don't think Google Kirkland pays that much for L5. Are you ML specialist?
      Apr 27
    • Facebook cowgirls
      OP
      No, but I have some special skills that I cannot disclose here
      Apr 27
    • Amazon day1
      Lol. Specialist skills which you can not disclose ? Are you an under cover agent who will make thousands of customers move from using FB to Twitter. Haha that was hilarious. Seriously.
      Apr 27
  • Twitter chutya
    That seems like a *very* high TC for Twitter. Your comp growth may be very limited after you join.
    Apr 27 16
    • Twitter 🙈🐰Tate
      Twitter has an equity target for you to vest every year, if you are above that target no new shares will be granted. If you are below, new shares will be granted. The target can be reassessed every year, but it is not guaranteed and I know a couple of people that did not get new shares because they were above the target. Share value is determined when you start at Twitter. If the stock tanks, your share value is still valued at the high price it was issued when you started (and hence your compensation will be decreased), on the other side if the stock doubles the price is also assessed as to when you started. The reason why the recruiter is elusive is because there really isn’t a concept of refreshers but instead of keeping the compensation at the equity target given to you, so the refreshers are VERY different than other companies.
      Apr 27
    • Twitter 🙈🐰Tate
      Let’s assume that your target is 100k per year, thus if you are above that target you will not be getting new shares if your previously given stocks are at 120k vesting per year (on the time of grant). We get a paper at compensation review time saying what is our target. Hope this helps! But the equity target business is a bit confusing.
      Apr 27
    • Facebook cowgirls
      OP
      Wow, that’s good to know . Can’t thank you enough man.

      It’s a mistake to think that recruiters have good intentions.

      Any idea what’s the typical equity target for Senior SWEs.

      I got an initial grant of 680k over 4 years.

      Google might be the clear winner then
      Apr 27
    • Twitter 🙈🐰Tate
      From my friends, I know that the target is between 90k and 155k, but it could go higher or lower. Mine is ~115k and I have 7 of work experience (not sure if that matters). I work in SF. Good luck with your choice and congrats on the great offers!
      Apr 27
    • Twitter chutya
      50% of bonus is manager discretion. 20% is not guaranteed. Managers are being encouraged to give higher performers more than their colleagues. In a very simplified case one person could get 15% and the other could get 25%.
      Apr 28
  • Square / Eng SQ
    Go with Google imo. Room for impact is such a (imo) useless phrase. Impact comes in many forms - what is more impactful? Writing an app that let's people notify the world when they're on the shitter? Or working on an app that actually helps people's lives daily. I would argue being the 50th dev on Maps is infinitely more "impactful" than the 3rd engineer on a Twitter service.

    I wouldn't worry about promos as much, you have a great TC and it'll only grow with refreshers. When your 4 years is up jump again for promo. Google will give you a better chance to learn from more talented engineers.
    Apr 27 3
    • Facebook cowgirls
      OP
      Thanks for the insight !
      Apr 27
    • Twitter FJHa24
      I guess that’s one way to look at impact, but from a career growth perspective, it’s definitely better to be the person who builds than the person who refines, which is why impact matters. You are unlikely to make meaningful change at Google, much more so at Twitter. I guess it just depends on what you value?
      May 22
    • Square / Eng SQ
      Not really. Often times the people that build do it to ship and it's in a state where it's better to refine. You also learn the most when refining. I've been in positions where I was the one building at a small startup.

      It's definitely better to have mentorship and refine than just building crap. You can get by with shitty software. But properly learning to be a great engineer is invaluable.
      May 23
  • Facebook cowgirls
    OP
    Please post some explanation guys, just choosing one isn’t much helpful 😂
    Apr 27 1
    • Intel babubhatt
      Ok: I voted no idea because I am not sure.
      Apr 27
  • DoorDash hiKu57
    Sounds like Twitter will be more exciting and full of more learning potential

    I think having a feeling that you matter and are making an impact is pretty important
    Apr 27 0
  • Google Awlj82
    G is political and promotions are difficult. But it pays the best over time with the first year TC being the floor - as long as you are CME or better you'll get good refreshes. I think if you want to have more ownership and more potential for promotion you go to Twitter. A smaller company has more potential to give you projects that 1) actually matter, 2) that you have fuller ownership of and 3) that can fast track your experience. I'm at G and the size of the company and politics are a drawback and not that unlike other less sought-after places.
    Apr 28 3
    • Facebook cowgirls
      OP
      Thanks for the response man.

      So will joining Google and staying there for 4ish years hurt my career growth ?

      I wanna chill out for a year or so (after the shitty wlb at FB), but at the same time don’t want to sacrifice my career growth.

      With that context, which one would you recommend ? G or T ?
      Apr 28
    • Google Awlj82
      I think G is the safe bet for WLB and comp growth. Promotion may be overrated. Larger scope is probably more likely at Twitter. One thing is these folks value interviews over experience so that may indicate that even though the experience may be better at Twitter, to the extent you want to stay in big tech companies or companies that prefer leetcode coding puzzles to experience as an engineer, Google is the better long term situation if you don’t mind being stuck at level 5 for a while (whilst being paid very very well). There will be more options to move teams and no reason to ever leave to do more leetcode puzzles at interviews at leas for the first 4 years. If, however you want to be more of a CTO or work for a place that values engineering experience for their hires instead of puzzles, or start your own company, Twitter is the better option.
      Apr 28
    • Twitter FJHa24
      This is the best assessment here - either could be great, but it depends on what you care about.
      May 22
  • Amazon / Eng idk_
    Since a lot of it may be stock based I would choose google because I’m more bullish on their prospects. Unless twitters vesting schedule is monthly or something then it wouldn’t really matter. In that case just choose based on which team you think you’d be a better fit. Being the second engineer on a team would be kind of nice. Also don’t worry about brand name. You can land a job anywhere obviously based on the offers you have so you don’t need googles name on your resume (you have Facebook and could have twitter or google)
    Apr 27 1
    • Twitter / Eng
      🔥🔥🔥/

      Twitter Eng

      PRE
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      Twitter RSUs vest quarterly
      Apr 28
  • Amazon lGFF16
    Google L5 offer at 5yoe looks impossible for a software engineer. Are you sure it's not L4?
    Apr 27 9
    • Google / Eng EIFY
      The OP of a recent congratulatory thread got L4 with 3 non-FAANG YOE. It’s about interview prep, competing offers, and being assertive.
      Apr 27
    • Amazon lGFF16
      Feeling not so happy with my L3 offer now 😐
      Apr 27
    • Google / Eng EIFY
      If possible, interview somewhere else for a better offer. Don’t let Google get away with it.
      Apr 27
    • Amazon lGFF16
      I don't know if rejecting the G offer now would be possible. I live in India and the G offer is for Europe. The work permit and visa process have already started. Also I just found out I'll be getting promoted in this quarter
      Apr 30
    • Google / Eng EIFY
      Good luck, hopefully you do get promoted soon!
      Apr 30
  • I would go to Google, with refreshers your compensation would be higher in 4 years. The projects might be more meaningful as well (but then again, I am not a fan of social media and its effect on people’s lives).
    Apr 27 2
    • Cisco / Eng lHMA75
      Not a fan of social media but still works in a social media company???
      Apr 28
    • Facebook cowgirls
      OP
      I see, also I feel G interview is harder (to be precise more random) than Twitter.

      So may be I should join G while I have the offer, I may not ever crack it again.
      Apr 28
  • Cisco / Eng lHMA75
    I voted for Google due to it having better stock appreciation potential than Twitter. IMO, Twitter has no potential. It will survive but not thrive.

    BTW, 420K from G, is it L6 offer? This seems out of band for L5.
    Apr 27 2
    • Facebook cowgirls
      OP
      No it’s L5 offer.

      By the time i got Google offer i had other great offers (after negotiation), Google just matched that.

      What’s the ‘normal’ TC for L5 ?
      Apr 27
    • Cisco / Eng lHMA75
      Mind sharing base and RSU breakdown. I heard typical L5 offer of 350K and can stretch upto 400K for exceptional candidates.
      Apr 28
  • New Duh1
    420 k at Seattle is maybe around worth 500K+ at Bay Area. Congratulations!
    Apr 27 1
  • Google cEMj22
    Are you not considering that one is on SF and other in South Bay with different cost of livings.
    Apr 27 4
    • Facebook cowgirls
      OP
      Both are in Seattle

      Google Kirkland Vs Twitter in Seattle downtown
      Apr 27
    • Google cEMj22
      In that case please check some threads here on Google Kirkland wlb.
      Apr 27
    • Facebook cowgirls
      OP
      Why did you bring up the WLB topic?

      Does Google Kirkland have bad WLB ?
      Apr 27
    • Amazon
      seattle'd

      Amazon

      PRE
      Amazon, Salesforce, Google, Microsoft, Apple
      seattle'dmore
      Yup
      Apr 28
  • Twitter / Eng
    🔥🔥🔥/

    Twitter Eng

    PRE
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    🔥🔥🔥/more
    I think you are joining privacy eng team. It is an awesome team with one of the best managers at Twitter. It will play an important role in our Privacy and Data Protection goals set company wide so you can expect highly impactful work. If you perform really well promotions will come naturally.
    Apr 28 0
  • Google ziki
    I agree that Twitter future is uncertain, but that could be a good thing: stock might grow faster than Google. I voted Google. There are some very good teams at Google in Kirkland.
    Apr 28 0
  • Twitter StonedBiz
    What team at Twitter?
    Apr 27 0
  • SpaceX EDPE70
    Since you already have FAANG, sounds like you might miss the prestige of being top tier tech company if you go to Twitter but you can have more impact.
    Apr 27 0