Two Sigma or Google

Microsoft geek_girl
Jun 20, 2018 41 Comments

I am New Grad and got offers from these 2 companies. In terms on compensation I think there is much more room at Two Sigma (I heard they can have crazy bonuses even 100% base, actually any insight on that is welcomed, and much feaster raises, promotions).

My opinion:
Although it is something totally different I would like to try them both. I know Google from internship and loved it there, on the other hand loved interviews and people at Two Sigma, their generous offer in contrary to Google low ball initial offer. Heard a lot of good opinions that it is smaller, has top talents and less politics and boredom than big corporation as Google. I am even tempted to try it but the minuses are: very poor choice of locations - I could try NYC for e.g. a year but I feel that it is not best place for me for long term. I also heard that Google would most probably downlevel in case if coming back after a couple of years. Any advice?

Offers:
Two sigma 145 base, 50 guaranteed bonus 25 sign on
Google: 120 base, 230 stock, 25 sign on

Do you think I can still negotiate with Google? I feel that even if they match currently, Two Sigma bonus might be much better after a year. Can I use it as leverage?

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TOP 41 Comments
  • Facebook / Eng FuqBoi
    I would go to Two Sigma if they have a good team/project matching system.
    Jun 20, 2018 0
  • Google / Eng oFpw53
    Didn’t you already negotiate with Google? That’s higher end of L3 already. You won’t be able to push much higher based on comp speculation, maybe a bit more sign on if you push it.

    Curious what was the Google “low ball” offer, the standard 150-160k? :)

    On which to go to, personally I didn’t like Two Sigma and I wouldn’t like to work as a SWE in Finance. Most of their stack is in Java iirc. Possibility of much better work here but a lot of work here is shit so choose carefully.
    Jun 20, 2018 9
    • Microsoft geek_girl
      OP
      There was 100 stock package. I did internships there, was a good performer, but initial offer would be minimum if I wouldn't have competing. Even Microsoft gave me better offer after internship.
      Jun 21, 2018
    • Google / Eng oFpw53
      Yeah, same initial stock package I had in 2017 (110k stock). Though base was higher than Facebooks such that the two standard offers came out the same. Good that you got a 2S counter!
      Jun 21, 2018
    • Microsoft geek_girl
      OP
      3 years ago 3 of my university friends had competing offers from fb with high sign on bonus. To beat it Google gavw them 300 stock and 50 sign on. Seems impossible to get such generous offers now. Haven't seen anything like this on blind.
      Jun 21, 2018
    • Google / Eng oFpw53
      I’ve heard of some high offers from Snapchat being matched a year or so ago, but that’s stopped now. Google also has a sense of competitiveness of the market and the last few years have been deflationary for some unicorns which I’m sure have driven offers down a bit.

      I had a high sign on from Facebook and my offer wasn’t that high but it was 200k stock and 75k sign on. But there have definitely been better L3 offers. That said you still have a superb L3 offer don’t feel bad about it...
      Jun 21, 2018
    • New / Eng
      Atrous

      New Eng

      PRE
      Google, Facebook
      Atrousmore
      @oFpw53, how’s your experience been at Google? Do you enjoy your project? Have you gotten a promo or refresher yet or too soon?
      Jun 21, 2018
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    • Microsoft geek_girl
      OP
      Well I am female, so dating is actually more a problems here :P I am also more into outdoors and feel that I would prefer something more peaceful, closer to mountains etc.
      Jun 20, 2018
    • Microsoft geek_girl
      OP
      Thanks for answer. It is quite funny: I see so many posts on blind saying that tech people would love to work in NYC where dating scene is better but it is hard to find a great job in there. While I found the tech job I am really excited about which is available only in NYC but as a girl would prefer west coast dating scene :P
      Jun 21, 2018
    • Microsoft geek_girl
      OP
      Yes, I see what you mean. Yes definitely it sucks for guys in tech.
      Jun 21, 2018
  • Two Sigma DoddsPod
    Congrats on getting great offers. Really depends on what team at TS. There are certain teams you'd better stay away from.
    Jun 21, 2018 3
    • Microsoft geek_girl
      OP
      It's in modelling engineering org: portfolio and analytics. Any insight?
      Jun 21, 2018
    • New MrHello
      What teams to stay away from?
      Feb 19
    • Axtria Ktz329
      OP how was the interview process?
      Mar 26
  • Salesforce Amadeus
    Two Sigma may be a better choice between the two since they are known to be even more selective than Google. However, both are very reputed and one needs to be lucky to have such wonderful choices. You must be very good.
    Jun 20, 2018 1
  • Tesla LEETCODER
    Since you are a new grad you will learn a lot at 2sigma, more ownership & impact. At google it might take you a while to work on something impactful.

    You will have no problem moving to Bay Area after a few years if you want to since you have two sigma on your resume.
    Jun 20, 2018 0
  • Facebook / Eng
    throwaway0

    Facebook Eng

    PRE
    Google, Twitter
    throwaway0more
    TwoSigma. You summarized it in your post.

    You did get a high end T3 offer. I wish I knew about TwoSigma when I was new grad. I chose FB over Google. I would have chosen TwoSigma over FB.

    However, if you are outdoor-sy you may prefer SF/SEATTLE.
    Jun 21, 2018 1
    • Oscar / Eng bigday
      Curious, why would you take Two Sigma over FB?
      Jul 4, 2018
  • New / Eng
    Atrous

    New Eng

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    Google, Facebook
    Atrousmore
    Personally I felt like aside from the quirks of finance, there’s quite a bit in common (talent, lifestyle, job prospects and comp). I didn’t like the finance parts though (some secrecy, no exposure to consumer tech, earlier hours) and felt like G had more outgoing folks and better guaranteed comp. I wanted to do more work on modeling, and TS has harder requirements to be in a quant role than G does to work in ML.
    Jun 20, 2018 0
  • Google / Eng oFpw53
    Offers please?
    Jun 20, 2018 2
    • Microsoft geek_girl
      OP
      Updated post
      Jun 20, 2018
    • New / Eng
      Atrous

      New Eng

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      Google, Facebook
      Atrousmore
      Great offers! Don’t forget Google annual target bonus at 15%, which makes your offers pretty much the same in comp. 😛

      Hopefully someone from TS can chime in whether a majority of folks exceed their target bonus each year. I’ve heard you won’t get more than the guaranteed the first year.
      Jun 20, 2018
  • VMware / Eng andor
    Congrats .. could you please share your google offer numbers thanks
    Jun 20, 2018 0
  • New Aon
    congrats. is this with master's? or just ba/bs?
    Jun 21, 2018 2
    • Microsoft geek_girl
      OP
      I am finishing my Master this year
      Jun 21, 2018
    • New / Eng
      Atrous

      New Eng

      PRE
      Google, Facebook
      Atrousmore
      Combined program? Top 5 school?
      Jun 21, 2018
  • Two Sigma / Eng
    GsvD78

    Two Sigma Eng

    PRE
    Amazon
    BIO
    No stalking
    GsvD78more
    You won’t get more than guaranteed first year. TS has more ownership on projects and you’ll move up faster. TS basically matches G’s comp level by level, but moving up is easier.
    Jun 21, 2018 2
    • Microsoft geek_girl
      OP
      Thanks for the information. So I guess financially Two Sigma might be better than Google if you stay there longer?
      Jun 21, 2018
    • New / Eng
      Atrous

      New Eng

      PRE
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      Atrousmore
      How fast is promo from L3 and L4?
      Jun 21, 2018
  • New / Eng
    Atrous

    New Eng

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    Google, Facebook
    Atrousmore
    Did you get matched to a team at TS? Do you like the projects? Where do you want to be in 2-5 years in terms of industry, what technologies you’re working with, and career?
    Jun 20, 2018 1
    • Microsoft geek_girl
      OP
      I like both teams at Two Sigma and Google. Currently I am interested in some backendish, infrastructure stuff, this the idea I had after my internships. The projects at Google have incomparable scale this is definitely the pros in here. In case of my career I feel that I wouldn't like to spend just 20 years in one company. I would be very interested to try both: Google and some smaller company with top engineers and good reputation (finances also sound interesting in here). I am just not sure which one to start with and how hard it can be to go to the other one after some time. Also Google seems to be at its peak, TS grows probably faster...
      Jun 21, 2018
  • Two Sigma coMi35
    I would go with TS. It’s much easier to get an offer from Google than TS as they are selective and needs based.. google just hires to hire
    Oct 13, 2018 0
  • Two Sigma / Eng bart
    Grats
    Jun 21, 2018 0
  • Two Sigma computer23
    One great thing in TS is that it grows very fast so there are opportunities
    Jun 21, 2018 0
  • Oscar / Eng
    tc/gtfo

    Oscar Eng

    BIO
    Hi. I am real and I am pretty friendly. Just here for some happiness.
    tc/gtfomore
    2 sigma and nyc is not good for outdoor and peaceful activity. You have to leave the city. But I welcome you to nyc lol. Dw about down level right now.
    Jun 20, 2018 0
  • Microsoft mba
    Two sigma
    Jun 20, 2018 0

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