Uber ATG SWE Offer

New LpSK75
Apr 14 34 Comments

SWE @9 yoe (1.5 year FAANG + data startups)
Offer from ATG in SF. L5 TC 192K / 750K 4 years / 28K Bonus
Current 200K & Monopoly money

Currently in the loop to interview with Cruise, Argo, and Amazon (Offer Stage). Getting some pressure from the recruiter to decide by next week so feels like they want to close before I finish all the interview loops.

My previous two startups flopped due to poor product market fit and sub-par founders who were both product background so a bit sensitive on the product counterpart. I heard the current Head of Product at ATG has a really bad reputation who isn't really respected by any eng that were on my interview loop. The eng folks seemed OK but not wow. Can anyone share some insights to how ATG really is these days? Also if folks at Argo and Cruise can share how the Product and Eng functions together would be great.

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  • Google / Eng
    GCoin

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    GCoinmore
    Argo 👎
    Cruise 👎👎
    Amazon 😶
    Uber 👍👍
    Apr 14 1
    • Facebook ghostwho
      Can you explain the rationale for the ratings
      Apr 14
  • Uber halalrun
    I know 2 folks who came from ATG to our team at HQ (prime). They tell us all the horror stories about ATG so if I were you I would avoid it. The general themes are IC’s are good but management under qualified to do the job. They say Eric Meyhofer the current Head of ATG is incompetent to run such a large org. If you are worried about product Eric Hanson was a low level designer who got to his spot by back stabbing a lot of people is what they shared. It is well known at Uber that Meyhofer promoted Hanson from L5a to L7 by doing some dirty laundry. Current attrition rate at ATG I heard is high as well.

    Why not consider other parts of Uber. We have a lot of spots open across the mothership solving real interesting problems. The core business will continue to grow.

    Best of luck with your decision! And Congrats
    Apr 14 3
    • Microsoft Cheech🔥
      Fantastic background thank you.

      Any intel on the manager Ted Dame? He joined as part of the bing maps acquisition.

      Do you think these cultural and management problems impact the Denver office also?
      Apr 14
    • Uber halalrun
      I don’t know the specifics of 1st level managers. Boulder team all used to be part of Uber Maps before getting onto the ATG side. That is as much as I know. But again I think the poor management will impact every aspect of people’s morale and culture don’t you think? I’m sure Theranos seattle office, Enron california office, Lehman Brothers London office would all have been impacted by poor top leadership. But maybe as an IC you might be shielded who knows ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ at the end it is your choice and your career.
      Apr 14
    • Microsoft Cheech🔥
      Ted is a M2 and I’d be joining as an M1.

      Satellite offices often are partially shielded from the problems at HQ.

      If ATG HQ has bad leadership problems then yeah this is a red flag. Thanks for sharing. I’ll have to research the people you mentioned.
      Apr 14
  • New LpSK75
    OP
    This is super helpful. After doing some simple Google search found this
    https://outline.com/eqv5VT seems like a complete mess over there at ATG. Do you happen to know if it is feasible to ask the recruiter to see if there is a different team inside of Uber they can match? Or does ATG & HQ have different recruiting team
    Apr 14 0
  • LinkedIn / Eng ganache
    5a or 5b?
    Apr 14 5
    • New LpSK75
      OP
      5b
      Apr 14
    • Apple ewlrnek
      750K dollar amount? What’s the number of stocks? 750k seems low for 5b. I know someone who got 1M last year (25k RSU)
      Apr 14
    • New LpSK75
      OP
      That is great to know, I haven't countered the offer yet. Thanks for the insight.
      Apr 14
    • Uber Wmfj76
      I think this is 5a. 5b base is >200k for new hires.
      Apr 14
    • Uber
      2muchblind

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      2muchblindmore
      OP has only 9 YOE so they possibly gave him a lower offer.

      Yeah, 1M is possible. But then again I haven’t heard of 1M being given at current stock price, so I don’t know.
      Apr 14
  • Facebook
    We Will

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    We Willmore
    I’ll go with Uber - as they going IPO soon that’s why recruiter might be pushing you, I heard they don’t give RSU by number of shares, instead they do $ value is that true ?

    What is 28K ? Yearly cash bonus ?
    Apr 14 4
    • New LpSK75
      OP
      No on the offer letter they provide the actual RSU number roughly around $48 per share. 28K is the annual bonus target.
      Apr 14
    • Facebook
      We Will

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      We Willmore
      What’s the number of RSU they offered you ?
      Because 409a value is not 48$

      Based on your previous comments it’s like 750/48 ~ 15,625 number of RSUs

      Actual 409a is now 51 something so RSU total would be around ~ 15,625 * 51 ~ 800K

      Which is good offer right before IPO
      Apr 14
    • New LpSK75
      OP
      The general range you calculated is correct in terms of number of shares. the FMV is around $48.
      Apr 14
    • Facebook
      We Will

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      They recently had a Careem deal that changed their 409a value .... but either way it’s a good offer right before IPO ... congrats .... I’ll take change with Uber, as Amazon and other companies you mentioned will be around .... if Uber IPO sinks by any chance then you can certainly move around ... good luck 👍
      Apr 14
  • New RsFd45
    Looks like there will be spin off
    Apr 18 1
    • Microsoft Hermès666
      Yes now future of ATG even more unclear
      Apr 19
  • Uber edm4sl
    Currently in ATG. Friends don’t let Friends join ATG is a motto that spreads amongst IC’s here. Post IPO not sure what the faith of ATG will be
    Apr 17 0
  • Uber
    2muchblind

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    2muchblindmore
    Don’t know much about the ATG org. Heard both plusses and minuses about them.

    The good thing is internal transfers are welcomed (even encouraged) at Uber, provided you’ve been there for ~6 months and are in “good standing” performance wise. I see people switching around all the time.

    Also — What’s your yearly refresher?
    Apr 14 3
    • Can one transfer internally to an ML engineer position at Uber?
      Apr 14
    • New LpSK75
      OP
      The recruiter mentioned it can be anywhere from 160 - 230 but nothing is guaranteed. Would you be able to elaborate what are some of the plus and minus?
      Apr 14
    • Uber
      2muchblind

      Uber

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      2muchblindmore
      That’s a good refresher. In terms of plusses, well the stuff you work on is interesting. Minuses — people say that the ATG leader has a big ego; he is generally not respected by the Uber Blind community.

      Also they have their own flavor of Linux which is really weird. 🤷‍♂️
      Apr 14
  • eBay bdhsib
    Is your offer having RSU in number of shares?
    Apr 16 1
    • New LpSK75
      OP
      The recruiter will provide both on a verbal offer. Before giving a written offer.
      Apr 17
  • New DhGj72
    I think self driving cars will take a while to mature honestly
    Apr 14 1
    • New / Eng |l|l||l|l|
      That's the whole point of joining ATG.
      Apr 14
  • New / R&D zipzap1
    Pittsburgh?
    Apr 14 1
  • BYTON poij
    I will be receiving my offer details later this week as well. The uncertainty makes my circumstance bitter sweet... Move all the way to PA to ride out the risks?
    Apr 22 0
  • Microsoft Cheech🔥
    Considering a move to Uber ATG Denver myself. Does anyone know if pay at the denver office will be on par with west coast?
    Apr 14 0
  • Cisco pista
    Congrats
    Apr 14 0

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