Uber L4 ML vs Google Brain L3 SDE-ML

Bloomberg / IT mwbf58
May 7 20 Comments

Uber: Marketplace (SF and PA)
Google Brain: Tensorflow for Mobile/Embedded devices. (Mountain View)

Current TC: 165K
YOE: 2
Worked on ML projects and have a Master's in ML.

Base/RSU/Yearly Bonus/Sign-On
Uber: L4: 150K/330K/15-30%/25K
Google: L3: 130K/Don't know/15-30%/20K
Google will try matching.

Both seem like cool opportunities.

Uber Pros:
1. I know the team well and like the work they do (building productionizable ML models on cool datasets)
2. Fast paced, I'll have more ownership. It's like working in regular software role. (Agile and more organized workflows)
3. Good money, IPO coming up!
Uber Cons:
1. Not Google
2. SF (I prefer the boring South Bay)
3. IPO coming up!

Google Pros:
1. Google Brain
2. Experienced ppl in the team (Just 3 but staff or very experienced)
3. Will do ML work.
4. Team is 40 percent formed. (Joining in early stages)
Google Cons:
1. Not the typical kaggle/modelling. More focused on running TF and optimizing ML models to make them work on different smaller devices (infra + ML).
2. Intimidating.

I'm literally listing this out to clear my head. Tough choice to make.

@google and @google brain folks, your thoughts on SWE-ML work? ease of switching?
@uber folks, how is work at marketplace? How is it being an ML engineer at Uber?
@rest, your thoughts on salary and teams? Answer the poll too!

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  • Google anononly
    Brain is a highly recognized. L3 TC can go 250k+. Check comp fyi. Embedded/Mobile optimization for TF/TF Lite would help you gain specialized subject matter. Google optimizes not for just Pixel, but for Edge use cases. Depending on your preference, you may or may not enjoy it. But I’ve seen this type of expertise extremely valued at today’s hot ML Infra market; where expertise in Deep learning framework, compiler or accelerator (GPU, TPU, Apple Neural Engine, Qualcomm SNPE etc) are super scarce. Self-driving industry also looks for this expertise. I know folks with ~2 yoe post-PhD getting 400k+ offer.
    May 9 5
    • Bloomberg / IT mwbf58
      OP
      The problem is I'm used to the more data sciency role and worry that working on this might take me on another path. But it is Google brain, I'll be focussed on modelling ML algos so they run on these devices. So hopefully less of the actual infra work. Confused if I should take a leap of faith into this unexplored domain. Or stick to the usual data sciency role cause I want to know more of that as well.
      May 9
    • Google
      AIMLOK

      Google

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      I once served 5TB
      AIMLOKmore
      Like I mentioned separately, you will look better as a janitor, or whatever else, at Google Brain than you probably would at Uber.
      May 9
    • Bloomberg / IT mwbf58
      OP
      That janitor statement 😂 but for real... I have a deadline and a few stressful sleepless nights. 🤦‍♀️ Will decide something I guess 🤷‍♀️
      May 9
    • Google
      AIMLOK

      Google

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      I once served 5TB
      AIMLOKmore
      Don't stress. You already won either way. You're sacrificing some of your enjoyment in pursuit of maximizing. You're already ahead and doing well either way you go.

      You will probably have the best mentors and people to learn from in Brain and other people that sit in the main campus.
      May 9
    • Bloomberg / IT mwbf58
      OP
      Yes, the people around me would be ♥️. Whoever you are... Thank you 😊😅
      May 9
  • Google
    AIMLOK

    Google

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    I once served 5TB
    AIMLOKmore
    You won't be doing anything fancy as an L3, doesn't matter what they say.
    May 7 3
    • Bloomberg / IT mwbf58
      OP
      Are you in ML? What has your experience been so far? And what would you do 😅
      May 8
    • Google
      AIMLOK

      Google

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      I once served 5TB
      AIMLOKmore
      Yes
      May 8
    • Bloomberg / IT mwbf58
      OP
      DM'd you for more questions.
      May 8
  • Google / Eng catburglar
    Money speaks.. ask for enough stock.
    May 7 3
    • Bloomberg / IT mwbf58
      OP
      How much max can I ask for stocks?
      May 8
    • Google / Eng catburglar
      Depends on your competing offer. Maybe $200k given that Uber isn't public yet.
      May 8
    • Bloomberg / IT mwbf58
      OP
      All right. I'll definitely try. Thank you.
      May 8
  • Oracle huluis🎉
    What did you work on at Bloomberg?
    May 7 3
    • Bloomberg / IT mwbf58
      OP
      Structured data, traditional ML algos for personalization.
      May 7
    • Oracle huluis🎉
      Google sounds like infra development. I don’t think you’ll enjoy it if you’re into building models
      May 7
    • Bloomberg / IT mwbf58
      OP
      Yep. But I'm trying to talk to the team again for exact details.
      May 7
  • Bloomberg / IT mwbf58
    OP
    This poll didn't help at all..I'm still confused. 🤦‍♀️
    May 8 0
  • Apple llyfsg
    IPO is this week so google should ideally match your Uber offer..
    May 7 0

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