Uber Must Treat Workers as Employees

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Sep 11 40 Comments

Interesting that Uber/Lyft stock price is going up for both!

If this is bad news, why is the stock going up?

Should employees jump ship or stay?

California legislators approved a landmark bill on Tuesday that requires companies like Uber and Lyft to treat contract workers as employees, a move that could reshape the gig economy and that adds fuel to a years long debate over whether the nature of work has become too insecure.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/11/technology/california-gig-economy-bill.html

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  • VMware vmya
    F’ing liberals that think this is a good idea.
    Sep 11 16
    • Google Mr. Glass
      The scum are the leftists, not liberals. Learn that first.
      Sep 12
    • SAP dwEC83
      yes the liberal are all perfect honest humans with the biggest hearts
      Sep 12
    • Google Mr. Glass
      No they are not, but this specific discussion is about not conflating leftism with liberalism. Think clearly before yapping
      Sep 12
    • LinkedIn / Eng CarpetCog
      Put simply, modern liberals and classical liberals are two very different creatures.
      Sep 20
    • Google Mr. Glass
      Those so called modern liberals are actually leftists masquerading as liberals, deceptively tainting that group.

      It is critical to remember that hysterias — such as Russian collusion with the Trump campaign, “endemic and systemic racism in America,” the climate“crisis” in America and the “rape culture” on American college campuses — are to the Left what oxygen is to biological life. No oxygen, no life; no hysteria, no Left.

      And especially children: If you can’t sell your hysteria to adults, try kids. And that is what the Left has done. After all, no one is as malleable or as easily indoctrinated as children. Consider this: If the Left didn’t tell them the world is going to end, they wouldn’t worry about it. They’d be enjoying their young lives, maybe even learning to appreciate that they live in the freest country at the most prosperous time in human history. Instead, thanks to leftists (who are children in adult bodies), they live in their grip of “existential eco-anxiety.”

      Just look at this latest despicable mockery done by Greta Thunberg. Just how inspiring or even persuasive you find Greta’s speeches and overall activism likely depends on where you stand on the political spectrum. There are plenty of politicians and regular voters claiming to be inspired by her words and passion. There are also lots of observers expressing general alarm at what they see as an indoctrinated child being coerced by adults to make their political arguments with her youth as a shield from any criticism.

      This is but one more way in which the Left abuses children (along with telling them they are neither boys nor girls but whatever they choose to be; teaching them contempt for their country; and depriving them of the greatest source of morality, meaning, community, and happiness).

      It’s depressing, and it’s frightening.
      Sep 25
  • Google Mr. Glass
    Stock is going up because regulation kills competition. It means Uber and Lyft will rule the ride sharing market without fear of any competition. They will raise your ride fare price and you will be forced to pay up, no competitor will come in to under price them and give you a better deal. Then you’ll realize the effects of the stupid policy enacted by the leftist scums.
    Sep 11 2
    • American Express D.BCooper
      Taxi cabs are competition now too.
      Sep 11
    • Google Mr. Glass
      ^ yes, but you already know that taxis are even bigger scams. They will never offer you better service at a cheaper price, never. The taxi mafia’s entire business model is predicated on erecting barriers to entry through regulation, and then forcing higher fares.
      Sep 11
  • Mozilla whimsybear
    So side gigs won’t be a thing anymore? Doesn’t that make people less financially stable because they have to rely on an employer alone?
    Sep 11 8
    • Google Mr. Glass
      Not only that, but professional services income has 0 tax. When you make them an employee they have to pay taxes on W2. Let’s see what after tax income they make then at the higher minimum wage. If anything, the CA government has begun looting money from your Uber and Lyft drivers, masking it under minimum wage protection and employment rights.

      CA government scum: “We need to loot money from you and your employer because you need our protection! (And I need to employ 10x more bureaucrats at high pay for it)”
      Sep 11
    • New QTdN03
      Basically, this is a tax scam enacted by the CA government.
      Sep 11
    • Google iSpj48
      A quick Google search suggests that Uber/Lyft drivers are required to pay taxes - do you have a source to the contrary, Mr. Glass?
      Sep 11
    • SAP dwEC83
      unless your last name is Trump, we all have to pay taxes on money earned
      Sep 11
    • Google Mr. Glass
      Everyone has to pay income taxes, but there’s no sales tax or any additional tax on professional services. This is different from any other kind of product or service sold in any state in the US.
      Sep 11
  • New QTdN03
    It won’t reshape it. Just relocate it. I’m more curious to see how this affects the large tech consulting landscape in Silicon Valley. Will it all move to Seattle and elsewhere?
    Sep 11 3
    • Cisco
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      aynrand1more
      Seattle here. Moved here from SV. Seattle will overtake SV in 10 years time. CA and SF continue to shoot themselves in the foot. Plus you make way more money here.
      Sep 11
    • Uber just12
      it might look like that at the moment. but majority of humans still don’t like the gloomy weather, continues rain and snow. it might drive out few 5-10% from SV to SEA for affordable property values till it is not. In 10 years SV will be more expensive and have more opportunity than what already is! but there will be remote offices not only in Seattle/Austin..distributed across the countries! Opportunity and TC will still be more in SV
      Sep 11
    • Cisco
      aynrand1

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      Seattle has just as much opportunity and get this... the startups here actually make money and aren’t some propped up YC ponzi
      Sep 11
  • Uber basket
    Great, see you tomorrow at 8am driver. No lunch breaks either — corporate policy
    Sep 11 0
  • Facebook public2
    Here come the robots!
    Sep 11 1
    • New QTdN03
      You’re probably right. Legislation like this will force it to happen sooner.
      Sep 11
  • Google LyLs67
    Buy the rumor sell the news.. in reverse
    Sep 11 0
  • Google
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    I think it’s going up for other reasons. The CEO is trying to streamline the company and people are getting fired unfortunately. W2 drivers will make it more expensive for Uber and there will probably be more layoffs to cut costs.
    Sep 11 0
  • SAP dwEC83
    this has been in the works for a while so it isnt really news for traders.
    Sep 11 0

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