Compensation

Uber most recent l5 comp

Facebook xxkw86
Mar 14

Got an offer from Uber last week as l5.

Base: 190k
Initial equity: 16k (~$42 per share?)
Cash bonus: 21k
Refresher: ~100k.
TC: ~315k if excludes initial equity

Current TC: ~380k (E5 with continuously exceed rating)
YOE: ml/ai PhD + 6 YOE

Excluding initial equity, the Uber offer comp is obviously lower than my current comp, with less base, less cash bonus and less refresher (e5 meet is 120k/year, exceed would be close to 150k/year).

Some questions:
1. Didn’t expect the base is even lower than my current base. Recruiter said it is impossible to increase due to equal pay policy (?). Is that true? Can I ask for more equity to compensate the base drop?

2. He also mentioned max signing is 35k and needs VP approval. However, I saw someone got >50k sign on so this is definitely false info. How much should I trust recruiters? Do they have the incentives to make more people accept the offer?

3. Is it possible to get 20k RSU? (Recruiter said no for any negotiating). I got offers from all companies (1st tier and preipo) I interviewed except Twitter. I don’t have the number yet, but I would expect at least google can have similar or even more stock. My friend recently got 800k from google.

4. I saw someone post 120k refresher for the Sam level. Is the refresher highly personalized even at the same level?

5. What is the general tactics of negotiating with recruiters? Actually I don’t want to waste time on negotiating. I will accept immediate if the offer is really good.

6. I like the team and the HM really like me to join. Should I contact HM for this?

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  • The “equal pay” policy is true sadly. Uber no longer negotiates. I think it means we lose out on a lot of great candidates. I’m lucky that I joined before this policy, I was able to get an increase in salary and RSU, but this is no longer possible.

    IMO stay at FB, mainly because the food is better.
    Mar 1415
    • Palantir gggggg2729
      Who cares about food
      5d
    • Tableau krxi15
      1 lunch a day costs 20$ at max, thats 100$ a week, 400$ a month and just 4800$ a year. Keep in mind, this allows you to eat whatever the fuck you feel like compared to what gets served to you.

      Do you still think that free lunch is worth that much when making a career decision?
      5d
    • Microsoft
      tech.ladki

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      tech.ladkimore
      What is equal pay policy?
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    • Microsoft / Product
      Brazuka

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      Brazukamore
      Free lunch is important to interns and recent college hires
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    • Microsoft
      tech.ladki

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      tech.ladkimore
      If you have Google or LinkedIn like lunch, I bet it will be important to everyone
      5d
    • New
      poly

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      polymore
      Equal pay just so they can retain more women engineers and pay everyone a standard salary regardless of however well you negotiate
      5d
    • Retain more women engineers by equal pay? Wow. They need to know ppl still DGAF about sexual harassment at Uber, according to at least two of my female friends, one intern and one FTE.
      5d
    • Amazon hsysysvsbh
      That would be very expensive food in long run!
      5d
    • Amazon DynamoDB
      Can confirm with @Brazuka. Recent college grad and I'd say aside from rent, all my money just goes to food. Amazon doesn't provide much 😕
      4d
    • Microsoft interesti
      Eating food is significant part of life. It is entertaining for many people. How frequently do you use Uber and much time do you spend on Facebook?
      4d
  • Don't take it. Did the same mistake. U will come in and see that every 5b is a 5 year old who has no idea what he/she is doing. Push for 5b. That's the only way to increase ur TC. Also promo process is impossible...
    Mar 149
    • Facebook xxkw86
      OP
      Really. How do they meet the expectations if they perform like that?
      Mar 14
    • In the past, promos were based on impact and not excellence. Also the people who promoted weren't very experienced either. So basically, u delivered feature A, u r promoted. No one cared if shit breaks.
      Mar 14
    • Even now the promo process is around the same lines. People run after new projects trying to show impact. No one gives a shit about what they build will scale or sustain tomorrow. Coz that is not encouraged. Don't expect any encouragement if u want to build things right. Conectrate on building something fast
      Mar 14
    • Apple skamwue
      ^this sounds like every company. Things are the same at google too. Hence you ended up with 5 different chat apps..
      Mar 14
    • Facebook xxkw86
      OP
      Pretty fb style or essentially the same for most companies. Basically the one who joined early got higher level.
      Mar 14
    • True. But given the size of Uber, u have to deal with this all the time. FB and Google probably part this as most of them are up high or left
      Mar 14
    • Uber nickki
      You won't get 5b with 6 YoE.
      5d
    • Lyft steampunk
      How do you guys prevent this sort of incentives at companies? Or is it inevitable? And from a personal pov, is this a case of having to play the game to change it?
      5d
    • Airbnb namytterp
      Nobody cares till 737 crashed and killed 300 ppl
      5d
  • Roku kkUA10
    How did you come up with 315k ?
    Mar 1412
    • Lyft / EngQjNg28
      Why do you completely discount the equity?
      5d
    • Snapchat BigCoin
      Wait. To clarify, do u mean $21k? Or 21k shares? Because that equity seems very low. To shed some light - most L5A will get at least 3,000+ shares vesting a year, which equivilates to about $120k at your stated 409A price. So unless they completely dropped the preIPO kind of equity packages, I think something is not adding up
      5d
    • Facebook xxkw86
      OP
      Bitcoin, $21k cash bonus per year and the initial equity is 16k shares. Refresher is $100k.
      5d
    • Yahoo JabS27
      What's a refresher? Every year they give you 100k worth of shares?
      5d
    • Facebook xxkw86
      OP
      Jabs27, yes, but it will take 3 years to fully vest.
      5d
    • eBay devindend
      Should refreshers vest with a 3 year schedule your TC may only include 34k of that. Actually you'll earn less of that in the first year.
      TC is the combined cash in your pocket and IRS pocket.
      5d
    • Uber ihnfhijj
      4 year vest
      4d
    • Lyft NLsf06
      ^ seconded. They changed to a four year vest this year
      4d
    • Spotify / Engqbeforeu
      i think this is misuse of the term “refresher”
      4d
    • Uber ihnfhijj
      Huh?
      4d
  • Amadeus Trick2g
    Give them an ultimatum that they need to give you at least 100k more tc than what you are currently making at fb or fuck off. You have top tier offers from other companies. Milk that like no tomorrow and profit. Life is too short man. Go get your money and enjoy life!
    Mar 146
    • Facebook xxkw86
      OP
      Will that make them revoke the offer? Aside from the comp, everything else is great.
      Mar 14
    • Amadeus Trick2g
      If they revoke, then they lose out on an awesome candidate like you. You have other offers paying big tc to go to anyways. You have insane leverage here.
      Mar 14
    • Facebook xxkw86
      OP
      I bet their equal pay policy already made them lose many talents much better than me. So probably they just don’t care.
      Mar 14
    • LinkedIn / Engsane17
      I crushed their interviews and they said the same thing to me. Didn't increase my offer and I will up accepting it. I had offers from Pinterest, coinbase, open door and Airbnb to negotiate.
      5d
    • Facebook xxkw86
      OP
      Sane17, why do you accept it given that they won’t increase the comp and you have better compete offers?
      5d
    • Uber / Eng
      AywB51

      UberEng

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      AywB51more
      The Uber offer (considering initial grant) is still like 100k+ more than what OP is making at Facebook.

      And that’s the current preferred stock price, $42/share. If the company does really well (entirely speculative), it could go up to $100/share. Of course I’m slightly biased.

      But regarding the offer, OP — you need to have competing offers and very, very politely tell them what these competing offers are and that you need a little more time to think about it. The recruiter WILL fight for you and try to get VP level approval to raise comp.

      Welcome to Uber :-)
      5d
  • Google aIfty25
    I don't understand what "equal pay" is (equal to what?) but it sounds like they simply don't want you enough. The offer of employment to you is only bound by law. If they wanted you bad enough they would simply offer more. Sorry to hear that because it's sounds like you like the team and manager but your BATNA here is just to walk away or take an offer at another company.
    Mar 143
    • Tinder rool
      "equal pay" meaning they won't make big offers that end up giving more comp than current employees. So equal to your peers (similar YoE, title, etc).
      5d
    • So much bullshit. Don't believe that, if they want you they will give more
      5d
    • Tinder rool
      It really depends. Tinder has an equal pay policy and I know we've let candidates that we wanted walk over it. The idea is to make sure pay is fair within the org. Has its pros and cons.
      5d
  • Groupon / Engsleepy
    4 I think you saw a L5b offer. If I were in your situation, I would probably have asked for L5b.
    Mar 148
    • Facebook xxkw86
      OP
      L5b refresher would be 140k, according to other posts in blind.

      My YOE is too short for them to consider me as l5b. Is l5b the same as e6 in fb? If so, it would be stressful.
      Mar 14
    • Amazon Cynimist
      Lol, coworker of mine had masters in ml plus 4 YOE and got around 420k TC as an L5a, coming from Amazon L5. PhD plus 6 YOE can definitely be L5b and the offered TC is very low.
      5d
    • Uber nickki
      420k TC (including equity) is the low end of 5a. Xxkw86's offer is on the higher end. You can definitely ask for more equity in the initial grant but base, bonus and refresher are quite strict. It is a 5a offer.
      5d
    • Facebook xxkw86
      OP
      nickki, thanks for your advice. Do you mean it is negotiable even under equal pay policy? My offer seems lower than 420k TC. What’s your formula of calculating TC?
      5d
    • Uber nickki
      If the team really likes you, I believe there is room for more equity given the current 16k. Base is quite strict so I don't think it is worth negotiating. 190k is definitely on the higher end. The Amazon's one definitely includes the equity grant in the calculation but your isn't. If you like to be extra conservative, I would value Uber stock at $33 ( Softbank's tender offer), which gives you 315k + 33×40 = 447k .

      Fyi, at $33 per share, Uber is at roughly 2x Lyft's IPO valuation.
      5d
    • Facebook xxkw86
      OP
      Nickki, thanks a lot for your calculation. It takes 3 years for refresher to accumulate to 100k/year, so probably this TC can be achieved on year 4.

      I heard several cases that the offer was revoked after negotiating. Seems very unprofessional but it happened.
      5d
    • Uber nickki
      I just took your 315k without recalculating it. If that is the case then, you should discount it depending on how long you plan to stay.

      If the negotiation is professional, Uber won't revoke it. There is nothing to gain by revoking an offer. They can just say no TC increase but try to sweet talk you into accepting it.
      5d
    • New / HR
      jesaisrien

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      There can be wiggle room (negotiations) in the offer process, but it depends on how well you interviewed. They might be willing to increase offer for someone they really want. If your interview was ‘good enough’ they might not be willing to offer more.
      2d
  • Equal pay is a effort to normalize TC within level bands. In the past offers could go way out of band after negotiating. Now they got rid of all negotiating to prevent that.
    Mar 147
    • Facebook xxkw86
      OP
      This also filter out those really talented people. At fb, we have Discretionary equity that can be as high as 1M in addition to the refresher for the top engineers.
      Mar 14
    • I agree. I would not be at Uber today if we had the equal pay policy when I joined. Sounds like I need to interview at FB.
      Mar 14
    • Facebook xxkw86
      OP
      Thanks for the explanation by the way. Do you know when did the equal pay policy come out?
      Mar 14
    • I don’t have an exact date, sometime in mid 2018 though.
      Mar 14
    • Indeed / Enggdgy57776g
      So everyone at same level gets same base, RSU, bonus, sign on now?
      7d
    • Microsoft / Product
      Brazuka

      MicrosoftProduct

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      Brazukamore
      Probably not the exact same, just within a narrow band
      5d
    • Facebook LavarBall1
      A year ago
      4d
  • Uber kvTo06
    I was making similar decision as you a couple of months back. Uber TC at 60b valuation was one of the lowest offers I had. Even though I had multiple significantly better offers, they refused to negotiate much. I still joined because I think Uber stock is undervalued at 60b. If you care about absolute TC numbers on illiquid stocks, Airbnb offers the highest. Lyft was a close second. You should consider joining Uber only if you believe the company and stock will do better or you liked the opportunity on the team so much that you couldn’t pass on it. I know it is very vague and subjective, but that’s the reality. No one can predict the ipo would go and most of your tc deltas would depend on it
    Mar 143
    • Facebook xxkw86
      OP
      I think now the equity is based on 65B. Do you mind share or pm me some numbers of your previous offers as a reference? Thanks a lot!
      Mar 14
    • Facebook xxkw86
      OP
      Yes, I like the team. That’s why I come to ask.
      Mar 14
    • Uber kvTo06
      My offer was for L5b. Feel free to DM me if you want details
      Mar 14
  • Uber cosmoo
    This offer is different depending on how you value Uber’s shares. If 60b valuation, then TC is $380k (~$42/share). If 72b, then TC is $410k (~$49/share). If 120b, then $$$. I have no idea why you excluded your new hire grant equity in your calculation. The Uber offer looks equal, if not a bit better than your current TC if you see upside in the company. If you don’t, stay at FB.

    You also have to discount stock appreciation. A decent E5 new higher offer today at FB is 190 base, 600k RSUs. Not sure what to tell you if you’re not doing an apples to apples comparison.
    Mar 141
    • Facebook xxkw86
      OP
      Thanks for your comments. I’m not counting the stock appreciation. Given my base is close to 200k, and my past 4 halves are exceeding so 125% bonus (with ~37k cash, 150k stock), my TC is ~380k. Actually my w2 this year is more than that due to stock appreciation.
      Mar 14
  • Uber GxRT17
    That's probably about as high L5a goes, youd need 5b to be significantly higher. Bonus and refresher numbers are targets, can be up to 2x (avg is supposedly 1.2x). At $50 preferred value, I count 190+200+21=411, plus whatever sign on you get. It's a very good 5a offer, but obvi not the big step up you were looking for.
    Mar 140
  • New WmjF76
    I am curious why are you not considering new hire grant into considerations? Otherwise, it seems that at 42$ a share the TC comes close to 360k.
    Mar 140
  • BlackRock becauseof
    Can someone explain what is equal pay
    Mar 142
    • Flagged by the community.

    • Uber / Eng
      AywB51

      UberEng

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      AywB51more
      Gender, not genital. Genitals are like, pen*s and vag*na. Genders are male and female.
      5d
  • Which team/role is this for?
    Mar 144
    • Facebook xxkw86
      OP
      A ML relevant team. Sorry for not be able to disclose more.
      Mar 14
    • Facebook _Ethereal_
      Michaelangelo
      Mar 14
    • Airbnb nGgM74
      Every team in uber claims to be "ml relevant". Do your homework before joining.
      4d
    • Facebook xxkw86
      OP
      nGgM74, thanks for the advice. I know the HM for years and know the team scope. I mentioned ml relevant in this thread because I don’t want to expose too much info to be identified :)
      4d
  • Uber / EngJoerg
    Keep in mind that RSU refreshers now are based on how much you already own and what's the target TC for someone with your level (performance factored in). You could receive very small refreshers if your initial RSU grant is larg. People in the same level with the same performance will in the end receive similar TC.
    These are the latest comp changes implemented by Joerg Heilig, our next in line CTO.
    5d7
    • Facebook kbtbes
      So, they're doing it like Amazon then? I thought Amazon was the only one screwing employees like that.
      5d
    • Facebook acurious
      So basically we get a TC cap
      5d
    • They're not screwing anyone. If you perform top of band, you still get paid top of band. Over the long term. But it's better to get high in band from the start because they won't decrease your pay even if you underperform.
      5d
    • Uber / EngJoerg
      You can still be screwed, if under perform, you will get a very small refresh.
      In practice, all FAANGs do it similar one way or another.
      This puts more emphasis on performance than leetcode skills.
      5d
    • Apple okbffvn
      So you will get below target refreshers even if you meet expectations? That sucks..
      btw Apple is also starting to do this..
      5d
    • Facebook kbtbes
      If two engineers getting different ratings are still getting the same refreshers (because both hit their Target TC ceiling due to stock appreciation), then the higher performer is getting screwed.
      4d
    • I'm not sure there is a target TC ceiling
      4d
  • Uber
    on3p

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    on3pmore
    you can definitely get a higher signing bonus

    I got $50k as L4 with 3 YoE. also initially received the VP line and am ex-FB
    5d3
    • Facebook xxkw86
      OP
      Was it ver recently? The equal pay policy was just out end of last year. How long it would take for VP approval?
      5d
    • Uber kettle
      Definitely push for the bonus. Yes requires VP approval but so what. Your RSUs technically require board approval :) Have seen signing bonus of 25k a few weeks ago for L5. He had to show forgone comp (if you are taking lower cash or are losing on an upcoming bonus). Turnaround is a few days. Don't let it scare you from asking.
      5d
    • Facebook xxkw86
      OP
      Thanks kettle, I was thinking push for more initial equity.
      5d
  • Flagged by the community.

    • Uber cosmoo
      Flagged for publicly calling out an IC. You also can’t really compare someone who has been at Uber for several years and got a promo vs a new hire. Plus, no one cares about your degree after your first job anyway.
      5d
    • Facebook xxkw86
      OP
      I saw multiple cases that LinkedIn l5 got l5 in other companies like Pinterest or Uber. Fb almost only gave e4 for LinkedIn l5 and fb E5s almost only go to LinkedIn for l6
      (My recent colleague did that last month).
      5d
  • Uber nzgF45
    Equal pay policy is what every stable company has join Uber, and grow to 5B in a couple of years and you’ll be happy. I had my review today, numbers differ based on perf. Multipliers go to 1.5x easily. equal pay policy applies but the range of pay for each level is huge and bands at Uber are wide. So 😉😉
    Mar 142
    • Facebook xxkw86
      OP
      I guess 1.5 multiplayer is for greatly exceed (~top 10%)? You should be a rockstar if you can easily get 1.5.

      Can you be promoted if you were get consecutive 1.5 multiplayer?
      Mar 14
    • Addepar nAeb35
      What did you do that others didn’t do to get 1.5?
      5d
  • Google zOKe30
    FYI, Uber does actually negotiate offers if you push hard enough (the recruiter just has to push your case up the chain and maybe provide some numbers to back it up). I’ve had two offers from Uber in the last year and was able to negotiate both times. Neither time was the number raised enough to win, though since they try to keep you close to “fair”
    Mar 141
    • Facebook xxkw86
      OP
      Thanks, I heard the equal pay policy was out mid 2018 or later. Probably you interviewed before that?
      Mar 14
  • Even if you get better deal now, you won't get great hike and bonus next year at you are in top range of your level, unless you perform just too good.
    Mar 140
  • LinkedIn CodeFaro
    "equal pay policy" is bollocks. Equal to who? It is not a real thing and probably means "you are at x percentile of in the band for this level. And why only e5? Was it "oh you need to be a contortionist at Google to be an E6"? How badly do you wanna join Uber?
    4d5
    • Facebook xxkw86
      OP
      There was a suit against Uber last year about equal pay (search de toro Lopez v. Uber technology). Not sure whether Uber is afraid of being sued again about this.
      4d
    • LinkedIn CodeFaro
      All fair but that really seems like Ubers problem of not paying everybody enough. I mean if Uber is banking on their brand-name to low-ball that is just a business strategy. But cry-me-a-river indeed!!
      4d
    • LinkedIn CodeFaro
      So it seems like you are finding a way to justify your "low level" that Uber lumped you in. Zuckerberg had 0 years of experience so yoe is has no bearing on your ability unless you believe it does :)
      4d
    • Facebook xxkw86
      OP
      Not quite understand what you mean. Could you elaborate?
      4d
    • LinkedIn CodeFaro
      So Uber has given you a particular level (l5a if I am not mistaken) and is using that to limit your comp. That plus how if you do really well you grow faster than a SpaceX rocket. Sounds about right?

      But on the other hand you are at a company that values you more (based on comp and rating). So why do you feel you are not good enough at the l5b or above at Uber and are feeling compelled to take a pay cut?
      4d
  • Uber bag123
    Most L5’s we didn’t get sign on last year and you got a pretty good offer for your years of experience. If you care so much about pay and stocks than the actual work then please don’t come to Uber go somewhere else. I have worked with enough PhD folks who sit on big pay packages and do jack shit at work. First join prove your work and then demand. If pay matters to you then go to tier 1 and tier 0 companies. We all took pay cut in base for total comp.
    4d1
    • Airbnb Charon
      He said he has 6 YOE
      Yesterday
  • PayPal rlx
    Stop bragging and GTFO
    5d1
    • Walmart.com QTFP86
      Relax bro, don’t burn in jealousy, just chill
      5d
  • Facebook zUrf70
    Over four years ago at Uber when RSUs started being offered, I believe L4 was 18k RSUs, L5 27k.

    Also, I believe L5 offers returned to 18k RSUs in mid-2017.

    So, you’re getting a deal, relatively speaking.
    4d2
    • Snapchat gho$tface
      Are you saying $18,000 in RSUs or 18,000 RSU’s?
      4d
    • Facebook zUrf70
      18,000 RSUs
      4d
  • Airbnb / Eng;;;;;;
    Sounds like they are being more stingy now that IPO is close. We aren’t. I sent you a DM in case you want a referral.
    5d2
    • Uber / Eng
      AywB51

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      AywB51more
      You aren’t stingy, or you aren’t close to IPO?
      5d
    • Airbnb / Eng;;;;;;
      Not stingy, they’re giving out the best comp in the industry that I know of.
      5d
  • Nvidia bdei51
    Tell them what you are telling us, that you love the team and such but pay is a little lower than what you expect. If they don't increase, then either accept if you think it is worth it or walk away, they might increase if you walk away. In several occasions when I rejected an offer, they came to me with a higher offer within the next hour. Of course it is possible that they don't , so make sure you don't bluff.
    4d0
  • eBay Ceepeetee
    What’s the vesting schedule for 16k shares initial equity? Sorry haven’t gone through all the comments in case you have mentioned it earlier.
    4d0
  • Square / EngSQ
    Lol PhD with only 6 yoe complaining about being overpaid
    5d0
  • Facebook LavarBall1
    Refresher amount is inconsistent and changes year to year. I can tell from experience. The new comp policy also handicaps the recruiter to be able to get any higher on the offer. The offer itself is on the high end of ic5. Sign on wasn’t there when I was there so their may be some flexibility if you give them a hard line saying I’ll accept at 50k sign but I also heard it’s not payed lump sum . Did you ask to be considered for 5b? They can usually make that determination based on the strength or weakness of your onsite.
    5d3
    • Facebook xxkw86
      OP
      Is it possible to relevel?
      5d
    • Uber kettle
      You can decline the offer and ask to be releveled.
      5d
    • Uber kettle
      Recruiter is mostly right. Base is determined by experience a within band. I think 195 is top end for l5. Target Bonus is fixed at level. So are Refreshers. RSUs I'm not sure if there's flex but you're on high end (I've seen 17k recently). Your best bet is signing bonus (ask for sure); have them escalate because you have rare ML/AI skills (this is considered of it's in fact true) and that might get you more RSUs. All that said re-leveling to 5b Trump's everything. Best way to get that is to turn it down probably... You shouldn't leave 380k TC for the same at Uber.
      5d
  • Credit Karma ttttaijrn
    Stay at FB until you stop exceeding performance expectations imo.
    5d3
    • Facebook xxkw86
      OP
      No one can predict that...
      5d
    • Credit Karma ttttaijrn
      That’s the point. View it as a call option. Keep progressing at Fb until you stall, then go looking.

      Otherwise you really shouldn’t be taking anything less than a 50-100k increase.
      5d
    • Facebook xxkw86
      OP
      Thanks for your suggestion. One good thing for Uber is that the targeting team is promising. That’s why I still considering the offer even the comp is just ok.
      5d
  • Airbnb i18n123
    This base is quite low for L5 considering many companies are hiring more people and preparing for IPO. The market of hiring is getting hot this year. Seeing peer companies offering 200k+ base for L5 easily, and some even gave 190k base for L4 candidates (rare, but not unreachable).
    5d1
    • Apple okbffvn
      Not at Uber.. Haven’t seen 160 for even downlevel L4s.. they have very set pay ranges for levels..
      5d
  • Does Uber have an ageism problem ? I see that it’s normal for young people to get to 5A/5B levels . If so, what would senior engineers go in for - let’s say those with 15+ YOE ?
    5d1
    • Uber nickki
      Uber's age distribution is almost identical to FAANG, maybe not with the same long tail due to the difficulty of competing for the high-end experienced hire.

      What level a 15+ YoE engineer will come in depends on what they did during that 15 years. It is usually around the same +/-1 level at their current level.
      5d
  • Facebook SuchATrip
    What's the difference between 5a and 5b? Are those equivalent to IC5 and IC6? Is the interview loop different or just based on performance during the interviews + total experience?
    5d1
    • Uber / Eng
      uberipo

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      uberipomore
      Levels.fyi can give you a rough sense of cross company mapping. Internally it’s two completely different levels like ic5 and ic6.
      5d
  • Daimler Butwhynot
    Did not negotiate with me - friend was able to get more rsu & signon but base was not negotiable
    2d0
  • Amazon / Data
    OVdh35

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    OVdh35more
    No
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  • Magic Leap sunday3
    “Equal pay” here means the comp at Uber for that level is lagging behind compared to the market.

    They can get away with that because right now people are waiting for the IPO anyway, so the difference is not big enough to cause morale issues.

    Also the public expectation of an upcoming IPO improves the hiring pipeline, so if *you* decline their offer, it won’t be much of a hit.
    5d0
  • Airbnb Off-White™
    Recruiters are definitely incentivized to get more people to accept. That’s their job. Be skeptical of everything they say. Also, always negotiate.
    5d0
  • Uber nickki
    If you have competing offers that are above Uber, they can compete. 16k is above average but not by much. There are room for that to go up.
    5d0
  • Uber mJJU45
    As others have said, that’s pretty close to top of band for 5a.
    7d0

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